The Flood Of End Times....Deception!

[whirlwind]

Revelation 12:14-16 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The "woman" is Israel....believers, Christians and Jews. Notice that the "flood of water" comes from the "mouth" of the serpent; LIES...TWISTED SCRIPTURE...FALSE PROMISES....DECEPTION. In the wilderness, which I believe is of our minds, we will be given both pure living water from Christ and a flood of deception from Satan.

Isaiah 43:1-2 But now thus saith the LORD That created thee, O Jacob, and He That formed thee, O Israel, "Fear not for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name thou art Mine. When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. (10) Ye are My witnesses," saith the LORD, "and My Servant Whom I have chosen that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He before Me there was no GOD formed, neither shall there be after Me.

We will all...pass through the flood of deception, we will all walk through the fire of Satan's tribulation.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:" (18) And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Death is just another of Satan's names. Those that fall for his lies of of being taken when the flood passes through are making a "covenant with death." They are hiding in his lies of safety but that agreement won't stand. When the end of days begins and his deception, the overflowing scourge, floods this world....those believing in it "shall be trodden down."

Isaiah 59:19-21 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and His glory from the rising of the sun, When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

The enemy is death, hell, Satan, the Devil, Lucifer, darkness, the overflowing scourge. His name is Legion!

Isaiah 60:2-3 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and His glory shall be seen upon thee; And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Matthew 24:37-39 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Noah's flood was water....the flood of Satan is lies. A flood of lies and deception..."such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." [Matthew 24:21] We have just been told that....we will pass through that flood! Are we ready for the deception? Will we stand true or will we take the mark of the beast, which is no more than to believe his lies?

 

[Ret]

Revelation 12:14-16 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Isaiah 59:19-21 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and His glory from the rising of the sun, When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

The enemy is death, hell, Satan, the Devil, Lucifer, darkness, the overflowing scourge.
His name is Legion!

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said,
Legion: because many devils were entered into him.KJV

Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. KJV

Eccl 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books
there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. KJV

~~LEGION = MANY = A FLOOD of the Devils works, done in the NAME of CHRIST~~

Look around the religious world and see the FLOOD of books, FLOOD of CDs, FLOOD of music all in the name of Jesus Christ. All these MANY books are brought to the public with words saying "MUST HAVE this NOW"! AND BTW, send us some MONEY (you know, that stuff that belongs to MANY!) Thus like Eve in the Garden of Eden, I/we/they partake of the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil', unaware of the deception bound up in the words of man's wisdom about God and truth. Unaware that is, till God brings it to our attention, and I/we HEAR His VOICE, walking in the garden of our heart and mind!

To hear His voice...Ret

 

[whirlwind]

Revelation 12:14-16 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Isaiah 59:19-21 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and His glory from the rising of the sun, When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

The enemy is death, hell, Satan, the Devil, Lucifer, darkness, the overflowing scourge.
His name is Legion!

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said,
Legion: because many devils were entered into him.KJV

Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. KJV

Eccl 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books
there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. KJV

~~LEGION = MANY = A FLOOD of the Devils works, done in the NAME of CHRIST~~

Look around the religious world and see the FLOOD of books, FLOOD of CDs, FLOOD of music all in the name of Jesus Christ. All these MANY books are brought to the public with words saying "MUST HAVE this NOW"! AND BTW, send us some MONEY (you know, that stuff that belongs to MANY!) Thus like Eve in the Garden of Eden, I/we/they partake of the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil', unaware of the deception bound up in the words of man's wisdom about God and truth. Unaware that is, till God brings it to our attention, and I/we HEAR His VOICE, walking in the garden of our heart and mind!

To hear His voice...Ret

Ret...I absolutely love you. Your remarks to these threads are a joy to read. You see, truly see!

Thank you for bringing attention to "many," for I had not noticed the connection. God not only brings things to our hearts and minds when we Hear His Voice but many times...it is hearing His Voice through another filled with His Spirit....as you are.

 

[Ret]

whirlwind.....In Christ, I love you too! Truly God is giving each of us to hear his voice

We will all...pass through the flood of deception, we will all walk through the fire of Satan's tribulation.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:" (18) And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Note 'trodden down' done without the city, without the gate, without the camp....YE - you and me!

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. KJV

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood,
suffered without the gate.

13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. KJV

Let us go....'without the camp bearing His reproach'. Whatever suffering we are given to bear it will be no more that what we need to save us from the pride and arrogance we absorbed in our love of the MANY things of this world, the knowledge of good mixed with evil.

In this and by this, God saves us from self DECEPTION! ...ret

 

[whirlwind]

whirlwind.....In Christ, I love you too! Truly God is giving each of us to hear his voice

We will all...pass through the flood of deception, we will all walk through the fire of Satan's tribulation.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:" (18) And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Note 'trodden down' done without the city, without the gate, without the camp....YE - you and me!

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. KJV

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood,
suffered without the gate.

13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. KJV

Let us go....'without the camp bearing His reproach'. Whatever suffering we are given to bear it will be no more that what we need to save us from the pride and arrogance we absorbed in our love of the MANY things of this world, the knowledge of good mixed with evil.

In this and by this, God saves us from self DECEPTION! ...ret

Ret, I've been turning your post over and over in my mind. The quote of "bearing His reproach" I can't understand. He "suffered without the gate." Literally He was crucified outside the gates of Jerusalem. Spiritually He suffered outside His (holy city Jerualem/believers).

As vs. (13) states...we should go to Him "without the camp," which to me means....we should go to teach in the world. So, does "bearing His reproach," mean we feel His reproach of us or...we share in what the world did to Him? Do we go to the world bearing the reproach He received from those "without the camp?"

Are you saying that His reproach is directed to us (in order to "save us from pride and arrogance" which is certainly needed I'm sorry to say :verysad ) or are you saying we bear the reproach of the world that was directed toward Him?

Gosh, Peter sure said it when he wrote of Paul's epistles...."some things hard to be understood."

 

[Ret]

Ret, I've been turning your post over and over in my mind. The quote of "bearing His reproach" I can't understand. He "suffered without the gate." Literally He was crucified outside the gates of Jerusalem. Spiritually He suffered outside His (holy city Jerualem/believers).

Jesus left his heavenly home, went outside the camp, outside the gates of heaven...

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death KJV

2 Cor 5:6 ... whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight KJV

2 Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. KJV

When we are 'at home' in this body serving fleshly desires, we are absent from the Lord. To live godly in Christ Jesus is 'outside the camp' being pilgrims and strangers to this world and it's lust!

 

[Ret]

As vs. (13) states...we should go to Him "without the camp," which to me means....we should go to teach in the world. So, does "bearing His reproach," mean we feel His reproach of us or...we share in what the world did to Him? Do we go to the world bearing the reproach He received from those "without the camp?"

More or less, I believe those of us who live through the times of tribulations which are just ahead, will be treated like Paul was treated including, bearing the reproach of Christ, without the camp.

Are you saying that His reproach is directed to us (in order to "save us from pride and arrogance" which is certainly needed I'm sorry to say :verysad ) or are you saying we bear the reproach of the world that was directed toward Him?

Hummm...some of Paul's 'hard to understand' stuff! This seems a bit harsh of a loving God, but God does save us from ourselves as Paul states about himself...

2 Cor 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. KJV

 

[whirlwind]

As vs. (13) states...we should go to Him "without the camp," which to me means....we should go to teach in the world. So, does "bearing His reproach," mean we feel His reproach of us or...we share in what the world did to Him? Do we go to the world bearing the reproach He received from those "without the camp?"

More or less, I believe those of us who live through the times of tribulations which are just ahead, will be treated like Paul was treated including, bearing the reproach of Christ, without the camp.

Are you saying that His reproach is directed to us (in order to "save us from pride and arrogance" which is certainly needed I'm sorry to say :verysad ) or are you saying we bear the reproach of the world that was directed toward Him?

Hummm...some of Paul's 'hard to understand' stuff! This seems a bit harsh of a loving God, but God does save us from ourselves as Paul states about himself...

2 Cor 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. KJV

I never noticed, "the messenger of Satan to buffet me" in that passage before. Why would Paul say that Satan's messenger/angel was "buffeting" him as a "thorn in the flesh?" I always saw the "thorn" as bad eyesight but that wasn't caused by Satan and is he able to inflict physical punishment on another? He can guide others to do evil things that harm others but can he actually "buffet" us with physical ailments? Perhaps that "thorn" wasn't his failing eyesight at all??? What did Satan's angel do to Paul or was it just a rhetorical statement?

On another subject...the times of the tribulation being just ahead.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knowest no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

We know we are in the season but more and more Scripture is pointing me to that "hour" being right before us and that we may well be in the tribulation right now. Are we now "in the wilderness," which is "hearing His voice walking in the garden of our heart and mind," (does that sound familiar? :D ) If we are in the wilderness...are we at the beginning, middle or nearing the end of that three and one half years? Again...we won't know the day or hour...even as we're going through it. Will we/they know if we are the witnesses during that specific time of teaching others as the Holy Spirit teaches us, or will we/they know we are the woman being taught by the witnesses? As we can't know the day or hour...I would say no, we won't know. We simply must be led by the Spirit to do His will.

In another thread there is a discussion about the two beasts of Revelation. I always saw the second beast as the actual appearance of Satan in the role of the false prophet....the instead of christ. However, the discussion is leading me (I'm not there yet though ) to see him as a group. If that beast is a group of Satan's followers pretending to be Christians instead of one entity saying he is Christ then...it nails down that we won't know the day or hour.

Lots of thoughts going on, lots of relooking at Scripture, lots of praying, lots of......

 

[Ret]

2 Cor 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. KJV

I never noticed, "the messenger of Satan to buffet me" in that passage before. Why would Paul say that Satan's messenger/angel was "buffeting" him as a "thorn in the flesh?" I always saw the "thorn" as bad eyesight but that wasn't caused by Satan and is he able to inflict physical punishment on another? He can guide others to do evil things that harm others but can he actually "buffet" us with physical ailments? Perhaps that "thorn" wasn't his failing eyesight at all??? What did Satan's angel do to Paul or was it just a rhetorical statement?

Numbers 33:55
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. KJV

Here...THORNS are people who vex and harass. Think of all the problems Paul had with people in his own country, constantly trying to trip him up and take his life or worse yet, false apostles who appeared to be 'apostles of Christ' 2 Cor 11:13.

 

[whirlwind]

2 Cor 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. KJV

I never noticed, "the messenger of Satan to buffet me" in that passage before. Why would Paul say that Satan's messenger/angel was "buffeting" him as a "thorn in the flesh?" I always saw the "thorn" as bad eyesight but that wasn't caused by Satan and is he able to inflict physical punishment on another? He can guide others to do evil things that harm others but can he actually "buffet" us with physical ailments? Perhaps that "thorn" wasn't his failing eyesight at all??? What did Satan's angel do to Paul or was it just a rhetorical statement?

Numbers 33:55
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. KJV

Here...THORNS are people who vex and harass. Think of all the problems Paul had with people in his own country, constantly trying to trip him up and take his life or worse yet, false apostles who appeared to be 'apostles of Christ' 2 Cor 11:13.

Fascinating. That answers it I believe. The "messengers of Satan," the false apostles, are the "thorn in his side." As they are in ours! At present....I have one HUGE thorn in mine. A constant, irritating, aggravating PAIN. :yes

:biglol I love those (poking) smiley faces. Can you imagine someone doing that to you....alllll daaaay loooong.

 

[Ret]

On another subject...the times of the tribulation being just ahead.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knowest no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Jesus told the disciples, before the crucifixion...

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. KJV
John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. KJV

I believe the 'scattering' of the people of God, both individually and collectively will replicate what happened to the disciples at calvary. [For the disciples this began their 'hour' - their 'time of tribulation']. From this time forward, the disciples learned what they could not 'bear' before this time. During this time, they saw themselves as they had never seen themselves before. Little did they realize how 'weak' they were in the flesh, even though in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus had told Peter, James, and John...

Matt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation:
the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. KJV

Beginning with Christ and in Rev 10:6KJV I believe time is 'no longer', meaning end times are based on 'EVENTS' and not on day-to-year prophesy. Even the 3 1/2 years/days is EVENT related.

Through the Holy Spirit, 'my/your time of tribulation OR my/your day and hour we will learn what we cannot presently 'bear', in addition to understanding more fully how weak this flesh is. Promise what you want...the flesh is still WEAK! As Jacob wrestled with the angel at the brook Jabbok so we wrestle with the flesh, receive a broken thigh in the process but become conquerers just the same. This prepares us for being 'God's witnesses' and to enter in to the fellowship of HIS SUFFERING - being SEALED with the 'seal of the Living God' Rev 7:2 before the wrath of God is poured out upon the whole world!

 

[whirlwind]

On another subject...the times of the tribulation being just ahead.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knowest no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Jesus told the disciples, before the crucifixion...

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. KJV
John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. KJV

I believe the 'scattering' of the people of God, both individually and collectively will replicate what happened to the disciples at calvary. [For the disciples this began their 'hour' - their 'time of tribulation']. From this time forward, the disciples learned what they could not 'bear' before this time. During this time, they saw themselves as they had never seen themselves before. Little did they realize how 'weak' they were in the flesh, even though in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus had told Peter, James, and John...

Matt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation:
the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. KJV

Beginning with Christ and in Rev 10:6KJV I believe time is 'no longer', meaning end times are based on 'EVENTS' and not on day-to-year prophesy. Even the 3 1/2 years/days is EVENT related.


Through the Holy Spirit, 'my/your time of tribulation OR my/your day and hour we will learn what we cannot presently 'bear', in addition to understanding more fully how weak this flesh is. Promise what you want...the flesh is still WEAK! As Jacob wrestled with the angel at the brook Jabbok so we wrestle with the flesh, receive a broken thigh in the process but become conquerers just the same. This prepares us for being 'God's witnesses' and to enter in to the fellowship of HIS SUFFERING - being SEALED with the 'seal of the Living God' Rev 7:2 before the wrath of God is poured out upon the whole world!

This is one of yours I'm having to mull over. While I'm mulling....why do you see that we have reached the "time is no longer" mark?

Revelation 10:6-7 And sware by Him That liveth for ever and ever, Who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that there in are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Is not the time of "time no longer" the same as when "the mystery of God should be finished?" When the seventh angel sounds, the seventh trump, is the time of the second Advent. I see His arrival, the seventh trump and "time is no longer" as the same event. What am I missing?

 

[Ret]

Is not the time of "time no longer" the same as when "the mystery of God should be finished?" When the seventh angel sounds, the seventh trump, is the time of the second Advent. I see His arrival, the seventh trump and "time is no longer" as the same event. What am I missing? [/b]

I believe 'time no longer' and the 'mystery of God being finished' are the same event...

Rev 10:6-7 , But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The voice of the 7th angel begins with Jesus Christ, ends sounding with us.
What's missing? - I don't see Christ returning to this earth till Revelation 21.

 

[Ret]

Another thought about 'time no longer' and the 'mystery of God being finished'....

The end of time = day of judgment

Judgment day for Jesus Christ was His ministry on this earth... SEALED with His DEATH, CONFIRMED with RESURRECTION. This day of judgment was also Judgment day for the devil, the prince of this world Jn 16:11. It follows then, that we are also brought in to this 'day of judgment'.

1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. KJV

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? KJV

1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord,
that we should not be condemned with the world.KJV

For Peter, day of judgment began when he entered in to the courtyard and 'denied' his Lord, and when Jesus 'looked' at Peter, he left the scene and WEPT! Because, now Peter began to see more clearly who he was. As 1 Cor 11:31 says, if we don't judge ourselves rightly, the Lord will 'chasten' us to keep us from being condemned with the world.

 

[whirlwind]

Is not the time of "time no longer" the same as when "the mystery of God should be finished?" When the seventh angel sounds, the seventh trump, is the time of the second Advent. I see His arrival, the seventh trump and "time is no longer" as the same event. What am I missing? [/b]

I believe 'time no longer' and the 'mystery of God being finished' are the same event...

Rev 10:6-7 , But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The voice of the 7th angel begins with Jesus Christ, ends sounding with us.
What's missing? - I don't see Christ returning to this earth till Revelation 21.

Ret, the following verse is showing that when the last trump, the seventh, sounds...the change happens. I did notice the "begin to sound" but in light of the Corinthians verse...believe it means that when it begins we are changed in that instant and then...no more mystery, no more time as we know it.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

There are mysteries but I believe the "mystery of God," that will be revealed when the seventh angel begins to sound is....

Colossians 1:26-27 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints, To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

His saints know this mystery now but it will be revealed to all when the angel sounds. As C wrote in a post a day or so ago....Jesus coming in the flesh isn't that He came to earth as a man but that He is in us...He is in our flesh.

2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a (the) deceiver and an antichrist.

Another thought about 'time no longer' and the 'mystery of God being finished'....

The end of time = day of judgment

Judgment day for Jesus Christ was His ministry on this earth... SEALED with His DEATH, CONFIRMED with RESURRECTION. This day of judgment was also Judgment day for the devil, the prince of this world Jn 16:11. It follows then, that we are also brought in to this 'day of judgment'.

1 Peter 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. KJV

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? KJV

1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord,
that we should not be condemned with the world.KJV

For Peter, day of judgment began when he entered in to the courtyard and 'denied' his Lord, and when Jesus 'looked' at Peter, he left the scene and WEPT! Because, now Peter began to see more clearly who he was. As 1 Cor 11:31 says, if we don't judge ourselves rightly, the Lord will 'chasten' us to keep us from being condemned with the world.May the Lord alone be exalted...now and forevermore...

Amen!Ret

I don't yet understand why you believe this time has already happened....it appears to be future yet to me.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse; and He That sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

As the saints live with Christ and their camp is on earth....why do you see Him not "returning to this earth till Revelation 21?"

I don't understand Ret....again, what am I missing?

 

[Ret]

Hi whirl....I'm re-arranging some of your paragraphs...hope that's OK...Ret in RED!

There are mysteries but I believe the "mystery of God," that will be revealed when the seventh angel begins to sound is....

Colossians 1:26-27 Even the mystery (that God suffers) which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints, To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you (by faith & hope), the hope of glory: [color="800000](emphasis/Ret in RED!)[/color]

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Rev 11:15-19. The seventh angel/trumpet does SOUND in Rev 11:15-19, with flashes of lightening, sounds and peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hail storm. (all this at happen at the resurrection of Jesus Christ ... and repeats at the resurrection of His saints)

....Rev 10:6-7 in the DAYS of the VOICE of the seventh angel when he is ABOUT to sound... What does this angel say... v9 take the little book and eat it...the book is sweet in the mouth but bitter in the belly/stomach!

To taste of the love Jesus, see the miracles, believe He is the Christ is OH SO SWEET - but to partake of the SUFFERINGS of CHRIST is OH SO BITTER!, bitter to the flesh that is! Remember Jesus and the 5,000 Jn 6:66 'went back and walked no more with Him when Jesus told them He was the 'bread' from heaven and to 'eat His flesh and drink His blood' v53 to have life.

 

[Ret]

Colossians 1:26-27 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints, To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

His saints know this mystery now but it will be revealed to all when the angel sounds. As C wrote in a post a day or so ago....Jesus coming in the flesh isn't that He came to earth as a man but that He is in us...He is in our flesh.

2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a (the) deceiver and an antichrist.[/b]

whirl...revisiting the MYSTERY - CHRIST IN YOU, in the flesh that is...

Colossians 1:24-27
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church;
25 whereof I was made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which was given me to you-ward, to fulfil the word of God,
26(even) the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but now hath it been manifested to his saints,
27 to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: ASV

2 Corinthians 4:7-12
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves;
8(we are) pressed on every side, yet not straitened; perplexed, yet not unto despair;
9 pursued, yet not forsaken; smitten down, yet not destroyed;
10 always bearing about in the body the dying of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our body.
11 For we who live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you. ASV

May God give us to lean on divine inspiration for understanding these verses, and these words.

John 6:45
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me. ASV

 

[whirlwind]

Ret, I've been turning your post over and over in my mind. The quote of "bearing His reproach" I can't understand. He "suffered without the gate." Literally He was crucified outside the gates of Jerusalem. Spiritually He suffered outside His (holy city Jerualem/believers).

Jesus left his heavenly home, went outside the camp, outside the gates of heaven...

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death KJV

2 Cor 5:6 ... whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight KJV

2 Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. KJV

When we are 'at home' in this body serving fleshly desires, we are absent from the Lord. To live godly in Christ Jesus is 'outside the camp' being pilgrims and strangers to this world and it's lust!

I'm reading back through these today before responding to your latest ones. I'm so glad I did for apparently I overlooked this one. Being "outside the gate" was being outside His heavenly home...to suffer for us. :amen I didn't look far enough in understanding that. I just saw the earthly meaning.

 

[whirlwind]

Certainly Ret in Red.... , you can rearrange.

Hi whirl....I'm re-arranging some of your paragraphs...hope that's OK...

Ret in RED!

There are mysteries but I believe the "mystery of God," that will be revealed when the seventh angel begins to sound is....

Colossians 1:26-27 Even the mystery (that God suffers) which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints, To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you (by faith & hope), the hope of glory: [color="800000](emphasis/Ret in RED!)[/color]

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Rev 11:15-19. The seventh angel/trumpet does SOUND in Rev 11:15-19, with flashes of lightening, sounds and peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hail storm. (all this at happen at the resurrection of Jesus Christ ... and repeats at the resurrection of His saints)

....Rev 10:6-7 in the DAYS of the VOICE of the seventh angel when he is ABOUT to sound... What does this angel say... v9 take the little book and eat it...the book is sweet in the mouth but bitter in the belly/stomach!

To taste of the love Jesus, see the miracles, believe He is the Christ is OH SO SWEET - but to partake of the SUFFERINGS of CHRIST is OH SO BITTER!, bitter to the flesh that is! Remember Jesus and the 5,000 Jn 6:66 'went back and walked no more with Him when Jesus told them He was the 'bread' from heaven and to 'eat His flesh and drink His blood' v53 to have life.

Have you noticed how the numbers of chapter and verse (which were not in the text) many times are connected to the meaning in the verse or give a meaning through the numeric significance? For instance...John 6:66 shows ....

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred theescore and six.

Another that floored me was...

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Those of the 9/11 attacks certainly had the king of verse 9:11 over them.

Back to the subject....you wrote,

"Rev 11:15-19. The seventh angel/trumpet does SOUND in Rev 11:15-19, with flashes of lightening, sounds and peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hail storm. (all this at happen at the resurrection of Jesus Christ ... and repeats at the resurrection of His saints)
....Rev 10:6-7 in the DAYS of the VOICE of the seventh angel when he is ABOUT to sound... What does this angel say... v9 take the little book and eat it...the book is sweet in the mouth but bitter in the belly/stomach!

The events did happen at His crucifixion but were they not the example, the shadow, of what will again happen. Instead of being a repeat I think of them more as the event that will be, where the previous time was our example....

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


What I am seeing now is....

Revelation 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: (5) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven. (7) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.

This "mighty angel" I believe is Christ...the Christ in us. And the cloud He is clothed with is ....

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

We are the "feet" He stands on. We are His feet on the earth and the sea....multitudes of people. So, the mystery of Him being in us, in His servants the prophets (the two prophets, two witnesses) began long ago when His voice began to sound...and continues today until the "mystery of God should be finished."

So, I now see what you meant about the seventh angel beginning with Jesus and ending with us.

 

[whirlwind]

Colossians 1:26-27 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints, To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

His saints know this mystery now but it will be revealed to all when the angel sounds. As C wrote in a post a day or so ago....Jesus coming in the flesh isn't that He came to earth as a man but that He is in us...He is in our flesh.

2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a (the) deceiver and an antichrist.[/b]

whirl...revisiting the MYSTERY - CHRIST IN YOU, in the flesh that is...

Colossians 1:24-27
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church;
25 whereof I was made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which was given me to you-ward, to fulfil the word of God,
26(even) the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but now hath it been manifested to his saints,
27 to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: ASV

2 Corinthians 4:7-12
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves;
8(we are) pressed on every side, yet not straitened; perplexed, yet not unto despair;
9 pursued, yet not forsaken; smitten down, yet not destroyed;
10 always bearing about in the body the dying of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our body.
11 For we who live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh.
12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you. ASV

May God give us to lean on divine inspiration for understanding these verses, and these words.

John 6:45
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me. ASV

I'll add another to this subject....

11 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the Temple of God with idols? for ye are the Temple of the living God; as God hath said, "I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

In the previous post I wrote that we are His feet, "his feet as pillars of fire." [Revelation 10:1] He dwells in us and walks in us...in His feet.