[_ Old Earth _] The Flood of Noah may be proven

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Remember the Tsunami that occured:
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Note the numerous large circles, those are all earthquakes at magnitude 8, the energy involved is something like 10x that of the bomb that the US exploded over Hiroshima in each. The Tsunami event occured because of fault line under Indonesia rising up 50 feet. What you propose is tantamount to saying that Teratons of explosive, that is Million million tons, were set off accross the planet.

All of this leads to enough energy being released that anything on the planet will melt or vaporize.

That's true - only if there was no water. Water acts as a coolant. Billions of tons of water and pressure is more than enough to quench the heat generated by multiple deep sea volcanic eruptions, super earthquakes, and plates colliding with each other.

Without the Earth under the water, it will explode and melt.

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Surprisingly, the instrument was recovered with very little damage. According to Chadwick, "the maximum temperature recorded inside the instrument during the eruption was only 7.5 degrees Celsius. This was remarkably low considering that the instrument was sitting atop basaltic lava that had probably erupted at around 1,190 degrees Celsius." Scientists believe this was due to the thermal insulation provided by the surface crust that forms and thickens when submarine lava flows come into contact with frigid sea water.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/relea ... 1r511.html

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Remember the Tsunami that occured:
Informative graphic
Note the numerous large circles, those are all earthquakes at magnitude 8, the energy involved is something like 10x that of the bomb that the US exploded over Hiroshima in each. The Tsunami event occured because of fault line under Indonesia rising up 50 feet. What you propose is tantamount to saying that Teratons of explosive, that is Million million tons, were set off accross the planet.

All of this leads to enough energy being released that anything on the planet will melt or vaporize.

That's true - only if there was no water. Water acts as a coolant. Billions of tons of water and pressure is more than enough to quench the heat generated by multiple deep sea volcanic eruptions, super earthquakes, and plates colliding with each other.

Without the Earth under the water, it will explode and melt.

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Surprisingly, the instrument was recovered with very little damage. According to Chadwick, "the maximum temperature recorded inside the instrument during the eruption was only 7.5 degrees Celsius. This was remarkably low considering that the instrument was sitting atop basaltic lava that had probably erupted at around 1,190 degrees Celsius." Scientists believe this was due to the thermal insulation provided by the surface crust that forms and thickens when submarine lava flows come into contact with frigid sea water.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/relea ... 1r511.html

That little case doesn't apply here for a few reasons:
First, in that case the water made the crust of the lava chill and insulate against heat.
Second the scale is much much smaller than what has been proposed.

The natural processes that make that kind of volcanism happen are plate tectonics, which happens at the rate that your fingernails are growing, giver or take a millimeter. That's roughly how fast India is pushing into Asia and Italy is pushing into Europe, or was when the Alps formed I don't recall if it is still pushing in. What you are proposing is rock being pushed hundreds of miles in a shorter span of time. The energies involved in this are insane, so great that when I say that everything would be melted or vaporized that I mean the oceans too.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

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[reznwerks]

Why

There were no huge mountains before the flood, they were caused by the flood.

That is why the description of the flood in Genesis speciffically points to the mountains that were covered up. If as you say mountains did not exist then the bible would have said after the flood there huge mountains left. Nice try but no cigar.

 

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Thats as far my theory goes. I believe the forces involve as per described is basically possible.

As we explore and study more on the deepest depth of the ocean, we might be able to get answers as we survey the deep. As of now, so little in known about deep-sea mechanics.

Governments should put more fundings into this and improve the technology of deep sea explorations.

Who knows, we might find some old civilizations and more exotic sea creatures unheard of and unseen of in the scientific world.

We need Aquanauts!!

And remember this Bible verse and keep it in memory:

NIV Version of the Bible: Genesis 7:11

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.

We just only knew in 1977 that there were really springs of the great deep. Springs in the depths of the oceans.

The Bible already knew this a long long time ago.

Before this, scientist only knew that the deep oceans were cold, frigid, without life, nothing. Just hostility and coldness.

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A staggering 95 percent of the ocean has never been explored. And 99.9 percent of the biological samples taken from the briny deep come from its shallower half. That leaves a vast uncharted realm of reefs, vents, and volcanoes.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/mysteries.html

14.) Why has so little of the earth's oceans been explored?

Technology for studying underwater life hasn't always been available, so marine biologists are now playing "catch up" to the terrestrial biologists. Even so, scuba gear and submersibles have been around for enough decades that one might expect we'd know more about the ocean than we do. In fact, in The Universe Below, a book written by a science writer for the New York Times, William Broad, it was estimated that humans may actually have only seen one/millionth of the ocean! I'm sure that one reason so little of the deep ocean has been explored is that, relative to putting on scuba gear and diving into the water with a hand-net, submersibles are expensive.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/expeditions/galapagos/q-a.htm#14

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According to Fox, little is known about deep-sea eruptions because only in the last decade have we been able to detect them, and none has ever been witnessed. "The data we report here, recorded by the VSM instrument caught in the 1998 lava flow at Axial volcano, were obtained by fortuitous circumstance. The instrument was simply in the right place at the right time, with the right sensors - and - happened to survive the eruption," said Fox.

http://www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov/relea ... 1r511.html


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2001 - The Ocean and the Moon II

"We know what the surface of the moon is better than we know what the surface of the sea floor is.†James Gardner, as quoted by M. Barber in “Hydrographic crew surveys underwater quake damage†in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer Reporter (March 21, 2001).

http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/q ... plore.html

 

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Whatever it is, however, will be influenced by what is found through tomorrow’s exploration – and, will likely be different than today’s predictions!â€Â

- Office of the Chief Scientist, NOAA, U.S. Department of Commerce. p. L-12.

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Acts 2:19 I will show wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke.

 

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[SyntaxVorlon]

See the problem with that is that you don't have an idea of the scale that this is on. You are saying that billions of tons of rock can move as a single mass over hundreds of miles in the span of a couple of weeks, which shows a lack of any knowledge of geology.

The Earth's crust is currently moving, we can see it move, we have GPS locators actually measuring the speed of continental drift. It does this because the Mid Ocean Ridge at the center of the Atlantic Ocean is creating basalt, making new crust and the old ocean floor of the pacific is being subducted under Asia and the West Coast. This alone results in mountains like St. Helens and Krakatoa explode with the force of a Gigaton nuke.

Process moving at 1cm/yr ->Gigatons of energy
Process moving at 10000km/month -> Easy Thousand Teratons on the low side.

 

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See the problem with that is that you don't have an idea of the scale that this is on. You are saying that billions of tons of rock can move as a single mass over hundreds of miles in the span of a couple of weeks, which shows a lack of any knowledge of geology.

The Earth's crust is currently moving, we can see it move, we have GPS locators actually measuring the speed of continental drift. It does this because the Mid Ocean Ridge at the center of the Atlantic Ocean is creating basalt, making new crust and the old ocean floor of the pacific is being subducted under Asia and the West Coast. This alone results in mountains like St. Helens and Krakatoa explode with the force of a Gigaton nuke.

Process moving at 1cm/yr ->Gigatons of energy
Process moving at 10000km/month -> Easy Thousand Teratons on the low side.

Thank you for your explanation. You seem to be very knowledgeable in Science. Where did you graduate and what discipline? May I ask a few question so I can refine more on my theory? Can you teach me since I lack any knowledge of geology?

Can you show me an actual computation on how you come up with the result of gigatons of energy/cm/year and thousand teratons? Did you also include the PSI per depth and the compression of water at very high pressures? Did you also include the behaviour of certain materials at a very high pressure? Did you also include the volume of salt in the ocean and how it affects temperature as well? Did you also include the boiling point of water at very high pressures, between 9,000psi - 16,000psi?

Have you also included the number of deep sea volcanoes and vents and what energy output that all of the ocean volcanoes can produce, given that each one erupted at the same time? I would appreciate it if you can show me a computation that if all deep sea volcanoes were to erupt, what energy output will it produce? Is it enough to move plates in a few days or in a million years?

Thank you very much. Your quick response on this query is much appreciated.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

The explanation for my approximation is in the post, Gigaton level energy releases occur with reasonable frequency, once every decade or so, and they are caused by processes that are moving at a rate of a centimeter per year.

Everything you've proposed here is on a scale which is far far far beyond that sort of energy. So much so that it is well within reason that the energies released are 6 orders of magnitude greater, thus thousands of teratons. Thousands of earthquakes that make the ground ripple like liquid, thousands of mountain chains exploding in pyroclastic flows, entire continents being pushed and squeezed until the rock that they are made of melts.