The charge of John’s galloping horsemen may represent a symbolic revelation of persons, effects, and prophetic sequence within the schedule of the 70th week. Daniel's Coming Prince, who I think is synonymous with John's False Prophet, enters astride a white horse, and the 70th week begins. The Prince advocates economic cooperation in the name of stable international relations. His subtle assurance, symbolized by his deceptive token, the rainbow of peace (Gen. 9: 12-17; Rev. 6: 2) fosters global stability. However, in the midst of the week, the Prince facilitates Antichrist who charges upon the scene on his red horse. Quickly, the world falls victim to the black horse and rider symbolizing the evaporation of monetary assets, scarcity, and famine. Then, with naught but little pennies jingling in their pockets, humankind confronts the grinding hooves of the pale horse and his rider.
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The Four Horsemen
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Joe67 said:
Thanks Joe67. It's my own viewpoint from personal study and reflection. Whereas the mainstream viewpoint relates the white, red, black, and pale horses (in order) to Antichrist, war, famine, and death; I think the sequence symbolizes the False Prophet (white horse), Antichrist (red horse), monetary inflation, scarcity, famine (black horse), and death (pale horse). I wrote an ebook about this wherein I depict the False Prophet (who facilitates Antichrist) as the 70th Week's prime mover. You can visit my website: www.thesymmetrysolution.com to preview an excerpt. I appreciate your question.
GodspromisesRyes
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I think people tend to look at these things very backward,
The white horse is not the antichrist. And the horses , famine, the sword, pestaliene death are the NORM for GOD to send. Many see these as tools of the enemy but they are laid out as common in scripture.
Jer 15:2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the LORD; Such as [are] for death, to death; and such as [are] for the sword, to the sword; and such as [are] for the famine, to the famine; and such as [are] for the captivity, to the captivity.
Jer 15:3 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.
The white horse is not the antichrist. And the horses , famine, the sword, pestaliene death are the NORM for GOD to send. Many see these as tools of the enemy but they are laid out as common in scripture.
Jer 15:2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the LORD; Such as [are] for death, to death; and such as [are] for the sword, to the sword; and such as [are] for the famine, to the famine; and such as [are] for the captivity, to the captivity.
Jer 15:3 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.
hisvessel1
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David505, is the David Smith's middle name Eugene? 
hisvessel1
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So, what is the white horse if not the antichrist? I'm curious...GodspromisesRyes said:
hisvessel1
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David, i have to disagree with you on the white horse being the false prophet. It doesn't fit the verse.
JudaicChristian
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For thousands of years a white horse has been a symbol for victory. After a battle the victor would be paraded on a white horse. The person in Rev 6:2 is Michael. PS. The word "prince" is not always translated correctly. In some places it should have been translated as "lead-er-ing." Christ has many crowns, but Michael has only a crown of life. That is why in the Dead Sea Scrolls it says Michael is reacond with the gods, although mortal.David505 said:
hisvessel1
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David, did i criticize you for what you think? Did you take it as such?? I only disagree with you on who the rider is. How do i feel "it doesn't fit the verse"? I'm not offended by it... :amen
When one takes the time to study the context of the first seal, it will be evident that it cannot be the beast of Rev. 13. What is the context? Of course, the vision of the throne room. So, let's ask some questions:
1) John saw a vision of the throne room. But, at that first moment that he saw it, there was someone missing: there are many verses in the New Testament that say Jesus went to sit at the right Hand of the Father. Stephen SAW Him there. So, the first question:
Why was Jesus not at the right hand of the father in the first part of this vision?
2) A search was being made for one worthy to break the seals. John watched as this search ended in failure. Of course it ended, else John would not have been weeping much. So the question:
Why was no man found? (The vision was in 95 AD! Jesus had been risen for many years.)
3. When we examine what WAS in the throne room, we find another mystery:
5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Jesus said that as soon as He ascended, He would send the Holy Spirit down, yet HE is here in the thone room in this vision. WHY is He here?
When one gets the correct answer to these questions, the timing of the first seal will become evident.
I hope someone will take some time to answer.
Coop
1) John saw a vision of the throne room. But, at that first moment that he saw it, there was someone missing: there are many verses in the New Testament that say Jesus went to sit at the right Hand of the Father. Stephen SAW Him there. So, the first question:
Why was Jesus not at the right hand of the father in the first part of this vision?
2) A search was being made for one worthy to break the seals. John watched as this search ended in failure. Of course it ended, else John would not have been weeping much. So the question:
Why was no man found? (The vision was in 95 AD! Jesus had been risen for many years.)
3. When we examine what WAS in the throne room, we find another mystery:
5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Jesus said that as soon as He ascended, He would send the Holy Spirit down, yet HE is here in the thone room in this vision. WHY is He here?
When one gets the correct answer to these questions, the timing of the first seal will become evident.
I hope someone will take some time to answer.
Coop
mdo757 said:
mdo, I agree 100% that just the color white is enough to know this is not the antichrist. John used the color white - I believe 16 other times, to represent righteousness. It would be absurd to think that he would change in this one verse. But, I disagree totally that the rider is Michael: that is just grasping at straws, pure imagination.
Coop
JudaicChristian
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Who do you think the rider is in Rev 6:2.?lecoop said:
mdo757 said:
Really, when you understand the context (previous scriptures) there can be no other choice: the white is to represent righteousness, which is what it has always represented. It is foolish to think God would change that in this one verse. The horse, is to represent warfare. It has been used that way in prophecy many times. So this horse and rider are to represent the church of Jesus Christ, sent into the world from Jerusalem, to make disciples of all nations. The timing is about 33 AD, right after Jesus ascended into heaven. Would Satan, the god of this age, just stand aside and allow the church entrance into the kingdoms of the world, NEVER!! So there had to be conquering. Now, 2000 years later, there is not a nation in the world that has not heard the gospel. I think the church has accomplished this verse. It is written, the gates of hell would not prevail, and they have not: gate after gate has been knocked down, and the entrance of God's word had brought LIGHT!!!
Coop
hisvessel1 said:
Thanks hisvessel1,
Thanks for your concern. I'm not offended at all. I think criticism is all about positive dialogue among people sharing constructive viewpoints, especially in regard to Biblical prophecy. After all, much of the prophetic scenario awaits fulfillment, so it's good that we all get our ideas on the table and discuss the merits of our respective viewpoints. I'm just curious about how you feel my post "doesn't fit the verse."
JudaicChristian
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Revelation and the Old Testament speak of 7 congregations in the last days, not one congregation. How can prophecy be fulfilled if Michael does not make a literal stand?lecoop said:
mdo757 said:
How does your answer, in ANY way, fit what we are discussing. Was the church sent out in Matt. 28?
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
Was there any conquering or overcoming needed as the church went out to fulfill this great commission?
(the Greek word was translated 2 times as conquering, and 24 times as overcoming.)
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Certainly there WAS conquering. Each principality fought dearly to keep the gospel out.
In Dan. 12 we see Michael arising - because He has a job to do. In Rev. 12, we see what that job is: Satan is to be kicked out of the heavenlies.
Coop
JudaicChristian
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This thread is about the four horse men.lecoop said:
mdo757 said:
If one truly wants to understand the intent of the author concerning these four horsemen, it is very necessary to understand the context. This means, we must understand the vision of the throne room for that IS the context of the first seal. It is there for a purpose.
For example, why did God include that John wept much? Why was it necessary that we know that? That got to bugging me so much, I bugged God about it until He answered. His answer: "it shows timing."
I have come to understand that most of the information given in the vision of the throne room, is to show us the correct timing of the first seal. Yet so many read right over the clues, and remain clueless.
I asked three questions in an above post. Did you read that?
Coop