The Four Horsemen

[JudaicChristian]

I asked three questions in an above post. Did you read that?

Coop

Yes I did read it. Now back to Michael being one of the horse men. Revelation 1:19. "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampsticks is this: The seven stars are the messengers of the seven congregations, and the seven lampsticks are the seven congregations. Zechariah 3:8. " 'Listen, O high priest of Joshua and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch. 9 See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Zechariah 3:9
See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day.

Zechariah 4:10
"Who despises the day of small things? Men will rejoice when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. "(These seven are the eyes of the LORD, which range throughout the earth.)"

Revelation 5:6
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Revelation

 

[JudaicChristian]

Revelation 10:3
and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke.

Revelation 10:4
And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."

Mark 3:17
James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);

Revelation 19:6
Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.

 

[lecoop]

Revelation 10:3
and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke.

Revelation 10:4
And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."

Mark 3:17
James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);

Revelation 19:6
Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.

May I suggest you go and answer my three questions? At least that way, you will stay on topic.
Sorry, but NONE of the riders in Michael. The horses AND riders are figurtive.

Coop

 

[interpreter]

Hi guys,

The 5 horsemen of the Revelation are the good guys.

The first Christian horseman appeared when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds on Oct. 28th, 312 AD, fulfilling Mat. 24:30. On that day St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church, riding a white horse, and conquering with a bow. And Jesus has sat on the right hand of power ever since. The Christian kingdom he founded lasted over 1000 years.

The 2nd Christian horseman is the Holy Roman Empire, founded by Charles the Great, who rode a red horse and conquered with a great sword.

The 3rd horseman is the British Empire, founded by King james, who rode a black horse and conquered with economics.

The 4th horseman is the US, founded by George Washington who rode a plae horse.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Revelation 10:3
and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke.

Revelation 10:4
And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."

Mark 3:17
James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);

Revelation 19:6
Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.

May I suggest you go and answer my three questions? At least that way, you will stay on topic.
Sorry, but NONE of the riders in Michael. The horses AND riders are figurtive.

Coop

I suggest you give up any hope of an answer from me, because your questions are nonstarters. you questions are not worth an answer.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Hi guys,

The 5 horsemen of the Revelation are the good guys.

The first Christian horseman appeared when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds on Oct. 28th, 312 AD, fulfilling Mat. 24:30. On that day St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church, riding a white horse, and conquering with a bow. And Jesus has sat on the right hand of power ever since. The Christian kingdom he founded lasted over 1000 years.

The 2nd Christian horseman is the Holy Roman Empire, founded by Charles the Great, who rode a red horse and conquered with a great sword.

The 3rd horseman is the British Empire, founded by King james, who rode a black horse and conquered with economics.

The 4th horseman is the US, founded by George Washington who rode a plae horse.

??? Are you making a joke?

 

[lecoop]

Hi guys,

The 5 horsemen of the Revelation are the good guys.

The first Christian horseman appeared when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds on Oct. 28th, 312 AD, fulfilling Mat. 24:30. On that day St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church, riding a white horse, and conquering with a bow. And Jesus has sat on the right hand of power ever since. The Christian kingdom he founded lasted over 1000 years.

The 2nd Christian horseman is the Holy Roman Empire, founded by Charles the Great, who rode a red horse and conquered with a great sword.

The 3rd horseman is the British Empire, founded by King james, who rode a black horse and conquered with economics.

The 4th horseman is the US, founded by George Washington who rode a plae horse.

Did you have a bad dream? DEATH is NOT GOOD. It is a curse. WAR is NOT GOOD. I
Back to prophecy 101. You seem to have a wild imagination.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

Revelation 10:3
and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke.

Revelation 10:4
And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down."

Mark 3:17
James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);

Revelation 19:6
Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.

May I suggest you go and answer my three questions? At least that way, you will stay on topic.
Sorry, but NONE of the riders in Michael. The horses AND riders are figurtive.

Coop

I suggest you give up any hope of an answer from me, because your questions are nonstarters. you questions are not worth an answer.

Trying to understand a verse OUT of its context is a lesson in futility. Is there anyway to say "you are wrong," nicely? Michael is not on one of these horses. It seems you have a vivid imagination too. How can you get the meaning of a verse, if you do not understand the context?

Coop

 

[JudaicChristian]

Trying to understand a verse OUT of its context is a lesson in futility. Is there anyway to say "you are wrong," nicely? Michael is not on one of these horses. It seems you have a vivid imagination too. How can you get the meaning of a verse, if you do not understand the context?

Coop

I am going to drop this conversation. I think my new computer will be out of the repair shop tomarrow. I will see about starting a new thread simular to this one. A person can not get the big picture unless they also study the Book of Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

 

[Sinthesis]

Trying to understand a verse OUT of its context is a lesson in futility. Is there anyway to say "you are wrong," nicely? Michael is not on one of these horses. It seems you have a vivid imagination too. How can you get the meaning of a verse, if you do not understand the context?

Coop

I am going to drop this conversation. I think my new computer will be out of the repair shop tomarrow. I will see about starting a new thread simular to this one. A person can not get the big picture unless they also study the Book of Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

• Tts 1:13 - This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
  Tts 1:14 - Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Trying to understand a verse OUT of its context is a lesson in futility. Is there anyway to say "you are wrong," nicely? Michael is not on one of these horses. It seems you have a vivid imagination too. How can you get the meaning of a verse, if you do not understand the context?

Coop

I am going to drop this conversation. I think my new computer will be out of the repair shop tomarrow. I will see about starting a new thread simular to this one. A person can not get the big picture unless they also study the Book of Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

• Tts 1:13 - This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
  Tts 1:14 - Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Hey, I am the one who is not into Gnosticism, Kabbala, Numerology or Secret Societies. Go kick some dirt on somebody else.

 

[hisvessel1]

Hi guys,

The 5 horsemen of the Revelation are the good guys.

The first Christian horseman appeared when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds on Oct. 28th, 312 AD, fulfilling Mat. 24:30. On that day St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church, riding a white horse, and conquering with a bow. And Jesus has sat on the right hand of power ever since. The Christian kingdom he founded lasted over 1000 years.

The 2nd Christian horseman is the Holy Roman Empire, founded by Charles the Great, who rode a red horse and conquered with a great sword.

The 3rd horseman is the British Empire, founded by King james, who rode a black horse and conquered with economics.

The 4th horseman is the US, founded by George Washington who rode a plae horse.

May i ask where you got these "scriptures" from? As far as i know Matt.24:30 hasn' come yet. May i suggest you read Matt.24 over again? Curious to know, what Bible do you read?....

 

[hisvessel1]

David, did i criticize you for what you think? Did you take it as such?? I only disagree with you on who the rider is. How do i feel "it doesn't fit the verse"? I'm not offended by it... :amen

Thanks hisvessel1,

Thanks for your concern. I'm not offended at all. I think criticism is all about positive dialogue among people sharing constructive viewpoints, especially in regard to Biblical prophecy. After all, much of the prophetic scenario awaits fulfillment, so it's good that we all get our ideas on the table and discuss the merits of our respective viewpoints. I'm just curious about how you feel my post "doesn't fit the verse."

Rev.6:2 = white horse = antichrist
"crown" indicates authority
"bow without arrows" = he "conquers the world".
by "diplomacy" offers "peace".
Also see 1Thess.5:1 -3

Does this decribe Jesus to you? Btw i read the KJV. This is my viewpoint.

 

[lecoop]

David, did i criticize you for what you think? Did you take it as such?? I only disagree with you on who the rider is. How do i feel "it doesn't fit the verse"? I'm not offended by it... :amen

Thanks hisvessel1,

Thanks for your concern. I'm not offended at all. I think criticism is all about positive dialogue among people sharing constructive viewpoints, especially in regard to Biblical prophecy. After all, much of the prophetic scenario awaits fulfillment, so it's good that we all get our ideas on the table and discuss the merits of our respective viewpoints. I'm just curious about how you feel my post "doesn't fit the verse."

Rev.6:2 = white horse = antichrist
"crown" indicates authority
"bow without arrows" = he "conquers the world".
by "diplomacy" offers "peace".
Also see 1Thess.5:1 -3

Does this decribe Jesus to you? Btw i read the KJV. This is my viewpoint.

John used the color white I believe 16 or 17 other times in Revelation, all to represent righteousness. It is unbelievable that anyone would think he would change for this one verse. It is even MORE unbelievable that one could believe GOD would change, since it is His book.

Certainly, the beast would paint himself white, for deception is what He is all about - but this vision is coming from God. God is certainly not confused as to who this is to represent. Since God used white, then it MUST represent righteousness.

Next, if you consider the context (one MUST consider the context) the timing is about 2000 years TO SOON to be the antichrist.

Therefore, I disagree, John disagrees and the Holy Spirit disagrees.

Coop

 

[David505]

David, did i criticize you for what you think? Did you take it as such?? I only disagree with you on who the rider is. How do i feel "it doesn't fit the verse"? I'm not offended by it... :amen

Thanks hisvessel1,

Thanks for your concern. I'm not offended at all. I think criticism is all about positive dialogue among people sharing constructive viewpoints, especially in regard to Biblical prophecy. After all, much of the prophetic scenario awaits fulfillment, so it's good that we all get our ideas on the table and discuss the merits of our respective viewpoints. I'm just curious about how you feel my post "doesn't fit the verse."

Rev.6:2 = white horse = antichrist
"crown" indicates authority
"bow without arrows" = he "conquers the world".
by "diplomacy" offers "peace".
Also see 1Thess.5:1 -3

Does this decribe Jesus to you? Btw i read the KJV. This is my viewpoint.

Thanks hisvessel1,

Thanks for clearing that up. Here’s how I see it:

Rev.6:2 = white horse = False Prophet who facilitates Antichrist in midst of 70th week

"crown" indicates authority (agreed)

"bow without arrows" = rainbow (Gen. 9: 12-17) = misbranding of God’s token by False Prophet

by "diplomacy" offers "peace" (agreed)

Also see 1 Thess. 5:1 -3 (agreed)

Does this describe Jesus to you? (No)

Btw I read the KJV. (Me too)

This is my viewpoint: I see the False Prophet as the prime end time mover for the bad guys. I diminish Antichrist’s role and think that Antichrist performs primarily as an object of worship in Lucifer’s stead. I realize I’m out on a limb here. I welcome criticism.

 

[lecoop]

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This is my viewpoint: I see the False Prophet as the prime end time mover for the bad guys. I diminish Antichrist’s role and think that Antichrist performs primarily as an object of worship in Lucifer’s stead. I realize I’m out on a limb here. I welcome criticism.

David, I think you have totally overlooked the context of the first seal, which is the vision of the throne room. After a close reading of that vision, ask yourself,

"What did the first readers of this think?" That would have been people in the seven churches that this book was sent to first. What did THEY think? I know, we cannot go back and ask them. But my point is, one thing we KNOW they were NOT thinking was 2000 years between chapter 5 and chapter 6.

So TRY and put your self back to 95 AD. Read that vision carefully.
Ask yourself, why was "no man found?" A search was started and completed and ended in failure, which was why John was weeping. But the question is, WHY did that search end in failure? The answer has EVERYTHING to do with WHO the first seal is to represent.

Next, ask yourself WHY Jesus was not seen at the right hand of the Father, the moment John took in who all was in the throne room. Again, answer has EVERYTHING to do with WHO the first seal is to represent.

Coop

 

[Andrew]

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This is my viewpoint: I see the False Prophet as the prime end time mover for the bad guys. I diminish Antichrist’s role and think that Antichrist performs primarily as an object of worship in Lucifer’s stead. I realize I’m out on a limb here. I welcome criticism.

David, I think you have totally overlooked the context of the first seal, which is the vision of the throne room. After a close reading of that vision, ask yourself,

"What did the first readers of this think?" That would have been people in the seven churches that this book was sent to first. What did THEY think? I know, we cannot go back and ask them. But my point is, one thing we KNOW they were NOT thinking was 2000 years between chapter 5 and chapter 6.

So TRY and put your self back to 95 AD. Read that vision carefully.
Ask yourself, why was "no man found?" A search was started and completed and ended in failure, which was why John was weeping. But the question is, WHY did that search end in failure? The answer has EVERYTHING to do with WHO the first seal is to represent.

Next, ask yourself WHY Jesus was not seen at the right hand of the Father, the moment John took in who all was in the throne room. Again, answer has EVERYTHING to do with WHO the first seal is to represent.

Coop

Gentleman, I'm new, I have no credibility with you. If I offer a blatant answer you will ask yourselves if it's of God and also continue applying it to your current direction of thinking. I feel it's better (and safer for me) to try and help you find the answer for yourself, that way you find it coming through the Holy Spirit and your understanding complete. Another way to look at that is to understand that I cannot be saved on your behalf, nor your salvation come to you in my life; it has to be your own. It has to be from God and of God for you.
In your question Coop, you may find an answer in Daniel 7; the Son of man is led into the presence of the Ancient of Days. Daniel doesn't see Him on the throne at first either.
The best advise I can offer at this time is this; you have to solve the riddles to get to the answers. The best riddle to solve first is in Rev. 17 explaining the heads and the horns. What I need to know is if you both have solved this yet. If you have I can move on to what I would think helps you next. My problem is that I don't know what you know, other than reading your posts, and understanding that you still don't know; no offense. So to cut to the chase in the first riddle, do you understand the eighth king once was, now is not, and yet will come. Can you explain this riddle?

 

[lecoop]

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This is my viewpoint: I see the False Prophet as the prime end time mover for the bad guys. I diminish Antichrist’s role and think that Antichrist performs primarily as an object of worship in Lucifer’s stead. I realize I’m out on a limb here. I welcome criticism.

David, I think you have totally overlooked the context of the first seal, which is the vision of the throne room. After a close reading of that vision, ask yourself,

"What did the first readers of this think?" That would have been people in the seven churches that this book was sent to first. What did THEY think? I know, we cannot go back and ask them. But my point is, one thing we KNOW they were NOT thinking was 2000 years between chapter 5 and chapter 6.

So TRY and put your self back to 95 AD. Read that vision carefully.
Ask yourself, why was "no man found?" A search was started and completed and ended in failure, which was why John was weeping. But the question is, WHY did that search end in failure? The answer has EVERYTHING to do with WHO the first seal is to represent.

Next, ask yourself WHY Jesus was not seen at the right hand of the Father, the moment John took in who all was in the throne room. Again, answer has EVERYTHING to do with WHO the first seal is to represent.

Coop

Gentleman, I'm new, I have no credibility with you. If I offer a blatant answer you will ask yourselves if it's of God and also continue applying it to your current direction of thinking. I feel it's better (and safer for me) to try and help you find the answer for yourself, that way you find it coming through the Holy Spirit and your understanding complete. Another way to look at that is to understand that I cannot be saved on your behalf, nor your salvation come to you in my life; it has to be your own. It has to be from God and of God for you.
In your question Coop, you may find an answer in Daniel 7; the Son of man is led into the presence of the Ancient of Days. Daniel doesn't see Him on the throne at first either.
The best advise I can offer at this time is this; you have to solve the riddles to get to the answers. The best riddle to solve first is in Rev. 17 explaining the heads and the horns. What I need to know is if you both have solved this yet. If you have I can move on to what I would think helps you next. My problem is that I don't know what you know, other than reading your posts, and understanding that you still don't know; no offense. So to cut to the chase in the first riddle, do you understand the eighth king once was, now is not, and yet will come. Can you explain this riddle?

Sorry, Andrew, but they were rhetorical questions. Sorry, but I think the first puzzle to solve cannot be the 8th king. Let's solve the first seal puzzle first, shall we? then maybe second, the exact midpoint of the week.

 

[Andrew]

Well Coop, if those questions are rhetorical, and you don't have an answer to yours; then I'd say it's all rhetorical and we should start at Genesis 1:1.
I'm assured of one thing, I won't be of any help to you.