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The Fulfillment of Dan 9

THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 9
While I was studying world history Jesus revealed to me that when the Jews began returning to Jerusalem after WW I, in 1920, which was halted in 1939 and then resumed after WW II, are part of the fulfillment of the restoration of Israel described in Dan 9.

When the angel Gabriel told Daniel in Dan 9:22: “I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding”, he was telling him that he had come to give him understanding of the vision that he had seen previously and recorded in Dan 8, that according to Dan 8:27 astounded him and he wanted to understand it, but there was no one to explain it to him.
Dan. 8:27 Then I, Daniel, was exhausted and sick for days. Then I got up again and carried on the king’s business; but I was astounded at the vision, and there was none to explain it.

When Dan 8:19 states: And he said, "Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end, it is telling us that the vision in Dan 8 pertains to the end of the end times and this means that when Gabriel told Daniel in the vision in Dan 9 that he had come to give him understanding, he was telling him that he had come to give him understanding of the end times.

In Dan 9:24, Gabriel told Daniel that the vision he had seen in Dan 8 and the events he was about to share with him, pertain to the decree to put an end to sin, bring in everlasting righteousness and seal up prophecy in Jerusalem, which we know is completed when Jesus begins reigning from Jerusalem for a 1000 years. Dan. 9:24-26 tells us this time period is labeled 70 weeks and that it is divided into a 7 week period of time, a 62 week period of time and a 1 week period of time.
Dan. 9:24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place. 25 “So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26 “Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

We know the 70 weeks described in Dan 9:24 are symbolic because the Jews have been restoring Jerusalem for more than 92 years and because the 2300 days described in Dan 8:13-14 that lapse between the time the Antichrist first arises and Jesus begins reigning for a 1000 years from Jerusalem, which is part of the restoration of Jerusalem, is longer than 70 weeks.
Dan 8:13-14 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “ How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” 14 He said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored.”

Is 4:2 tells us sin will end in Jerusalem when the 1000 years begins because it explains that the only people who will be in Jerusalem at that time will be those whose names are found written in the Book of Life.
Is. 4:2 In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel. 3 It will come about that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy — everyone who is recorded for life in Jerusalem.

Dan 9:25 tells us that the 70 weeks began when God decreed the restoration of Israel when it states: “So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

Luke 19:44 tells us the restoration of Israel described in Dan.9, is the result of Israel being dispersed because they did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. This was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the temple and dispersed the Jews.
Luke 19:44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”

One day as I was studying world history Jesus revealed to me that the seven weeks described in Dan 9:25 began after WW I on April 25, 1920 when the Balfore Declaration was made part of the the Treaty of Versailles and the Jews officially began to return to Israel. This led me to understand that the seven weeks ended in1939 when Britain issued the White Paper and placed a naval blockade along the coast of Israel to stop the Jews from returning to Israel.

The sixty two week longer period of time began after WW II on Nov. 29, 1947 when the General Assembly of the United Nations voted in favor of partitioning Palestine and for the second time the Jews officially began returning to Israel. On May 14, 1948, after the last British soldier left, Israel became a nation and was immediately recognized by the United States and the Soviet Union.

We are currently in the 62 week period of time and so far it includes the 1948 War of Independence, the 1956 Sinai War, the 1967 Six Day War, the 1971 Yom Kippur War, the Palestinian rioting and the 2006 Hezbollah War.

Dan 9:26-27 tells us that the seventieth week begins when the Antichrist emerges on the scene and makes a peace treaty between many nations and Israel and ends when Jesus completes the destruction of the False Prophet, who is the one who makes desolate, and the Antichrist, when according to Rev.20:20 He throws them into the lake of Fire alive and He begins reigning from Jerusalem for a 1000 years. A Jewish boy named Natan saw in a dream that the Antichrist’s armies depicted in Rev.20:21 will be destroyed by a worldwide Jericho wall collapse like event.
Dan 9:26-27 “Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. 27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
Rev. 20:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat upon the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.


As I was sharing this insight with other believers I found that many churches are teaching that Dan 9 is a prophetic vision of the crucifixion of Jesus. They claim that when Gabriel said in Dan 9:27 that the Messiah would be cut off, he was describing the crucifixion of Jesus. However, when you take into consideration that Gabriel also told Daniel that before the Messiah would be cut off, there would be a man who would make a covenant with many and that when he breaks it, this will result in the Messiah being cut off, and that at that time he and the one who makes desolate would remove the regular sacrifice, you can see that the idea that the vision pertains to when Jesus was crucified does not fit what is described in the vision. We know that there was no covenant that was made prior to Jesus being crucified that when it was broken resulted in the crucifixion of Jesus and we also know that the regular sacrifice was not removed when Jesus was crucified.

As I mentioned previously, we can also see that this vision is not about the crucifixion of Jesus because Gabriel told Daniel he had come to give him understanding and when he said this, he was telling him that he had come to him to give him understanding of the vision he had recorded in Dan 8, which according to Dan 8:14 pertains to the end of the end times.

We can also see that that vision does not pertain to the crucifixion of Jesus because in Dan 9:24-25 Gabriel told Daniel that the vision pertained to restoration and rebuilding of the city of Jerusalem and we know that at the time Jesus was crucified Jerusalem was not being restored and it was not being rebuilt.

As you can see the insights that Jesus revealed to me regarding the fulfillment of the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks coincide with the restoration of Jerusalem and the time period that the restoration of Jerusalem takes place, described in the vision.
 
I'm neither pre, mid or any other fad that is out there, which has nothing to do with this thread.

Instead of criticizing others in their understanding why not give us your understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 as I would like to read it.
I have gone through all 4 views. each view provides an explanation. Each view claims to be correct.
It is Jesus who is cut off ,in the midst of the week...3.5 years of the 70th week.

For your consideration;
http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-...s-and-the-Great-Tribulation2.pdf...pages19-22 answer the 6 points

 
Since there is sin in Jerusalem today and prophecy concerning Jerusalem is not complete means the 70 weeks prophecy found in Dan. 9 is not complete yet. Sin ceases in Jerusalem and Prophecy concerning Jerusalem ends when we return with Jesus and Jerusalem is changed into New Jerusalem in preparation for Jesus's 1000 year reign.

When the angel Gabriel told Daniel in Dan 9:22: “I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding”, he was telling him that he had come to give him understanding of the vision that he had seen previously and recorded in Dan 8, that according to Dan 8:27 astounded him and he wanted to understand it, but there was no one to explain it to him.
Dan. 8:27 Then I, Daniel, was exhausted and sick for days. Then I got up again and carried on the king’s business; but I was astounded at the vision, and there was none to explain it.

When Dan 8:19 states: And he said, "Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end, it is telling us that the vision in Dan 8 pertains to the end of the end times and this means that when Gabriel told Daniel in the vision in Dan 9 that he had come to give him understanding, he was telling him that he had come to give him understanding of the end times.

In Dan 9:24, Gabriel told Daniel that the vision he had seen in Dan 8 and the events he was about to share with him, pertain to the decree to put an end to sin, bring in everlasting righteousness and seal up prophecy in Jerusalem, which we know is completed when Jesus begins reigning from Jerusalem for a 1000 years. Dan. 9:24-26 tells us this time period is labeled 70 weeks and that it is divided into a 7 week period of time, a 62 week period of time and a 1 week period of time.
Dan. 9:24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place. 25 “So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26 “Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Our understanding of it James: In the 20th year of Artaxerxes (Longimanus), the year Nehemiah received permission to go and rebuild Jerusalem. (Ne 2:1, 5-8) The reasons for favoring the date of 455 B.C.E. for this year as against the popular date of 445 B.C.E. are considered in the article PERSIA, PERSIANS. The events of this year that involve the rebuilding of Jerusalem and its walls mark the starting point of the prophecy concerning the “seventy weeks” at Daniel 9:24-27. The weeks there are clearly “weeks of years” (Da 9:24, RS, AT, Mo), totaling 490 years. As demonstrated under the heading SEVENTY WEEKS, the prophecy pointed to Jesus’ appearance as the Messiah in the year 29 C.E.; his death at “the half of the week” or in the middle of the last week of years, that is, in 33 C.E.; and the end of the period of God’s special favor to the Jews in 36 C.E. Thus, the 70 weeks of years closed with the conversion of Cornelius, 490 years from the year 455 B.C.E.—Ac 10:30-33, 44-48; 11:1.

Again, this is either an accurate understanding or it is not sir. You have to decide.
 
Our understanding of it James: In the 20th year of Artaxerxes (Longimanus), the year Nehemiah received permission to go and rebuild Jerusalem. (Ne 2:1, 5-8) The reasons for favoring the date of 455 B.C.E. for this year as against the popular date of 445 B.C.E. are considered in the article PERSIA, PERSIANS. The events of this year that involve the rebuilding of Jerusalem and its walls mark the starting point of the prophecy concerning the “seventy weeks” at Daniel 9:24-27. The weeks there are clearly “weeks of years” (Da 9:24, RS, AT, Mo), totaling 490 years. As demonstrated under the heading SEVENTY WEEKS, the prophecy pointed to Jesus’ appearance as the Messiah in the year 29 C.E.; his death at “the half of the week” or in the middle of the last week of years, that is, in 33 C.E.; and the end of the period of God’s special favor to the Jews in 36 C.E. Thus, the 70 weeks of years closed with the conversion of Cornelius, 490 years from the year 455 B.C.E.—Ac 10:30-33, 44-48; 11:1.

Again, this is either an accurate understanding or it is not sir. You have to decide.
When the angel Gabriel told Daniel in Dan 9:22: “I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding”, he was telling him that he had come to give him understanding of the vision that he had seen previously and recorded in Dan 8, that according to Dan 8:27 astounded him and he wanted to understand it, but there was no one to explain it to him.
Dan. 8:27 Then I, Daniel, was exhausted and sick for days. Then I got up again and carried on the king’s business; but I was astounded at the vision, and there was none to explain it.

When Dan 8:19 states: And he said, "Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end, it is telling us that the vision in Dan 8 pertains to the end of the end times and this means that when Gabriel told Daniel in the vision in Dan 9 that he had come to give him understanding, he was telling him that he had come to give him understanding of the end times.

These scriptures rule out BC fulfillments.
 
No, it is not my opinion. You are Judged by the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? My Lord JESUS made it very clear, saying: John 12:47-48 - ... I came not to Judge the world, but to save the world..., but hath one that Judgeth: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall Judge in the last Day. - (that is the LORD's Day, this Day arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium)

JESUS also made it very clear, saying: Matthew 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
The reason you didn't post any scriptures that correct me is because your belief is an academic opinion about the scriptures not built on scriptures. Academia has a bad habit of building a picture on a single scripture instead of building a picture through all of the topically appropriate scriptures. Consequently, they contradict the scriptures they leave out of their explanations.
 
The reason you didn't post any scriptures that correct me is because your belief is an academic opinion about the scriptures not built on scriptures. Academia has a bad habit of building a picture on a single scripture instead of building a picture through all of the topically appropriate scriptures. Consequently, they contradict the scriptures they leave out of their explanations.
My point was to show for you through the Word of GOD that your interpretations were wrong, despite your effort to sell them for us here.
If you understood and accept or not the crystal clear corrections that were made by the Word of GOD, that's with you, the decision is yours to correct your mistakes made with your interpretations of the Scriptures in a deceitful way.

See, IT'S NOT ENOUGH to just have lamp-the Word of GOD-a lamp for the feet-Psalm 119:105; It's necessary also to have oil, otherwise the lamp will go out, if it hasn't already your lamp gone out for good, but at midnight? In full darkness and terrors by night? Terrible, very terrible.
 
Daniel 8:13-14&16-17and 19-22KJV
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. (What vision? The vision of 2300 days. NOTE: Daniel still was in Babylon.)
17 Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
19 Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end
shall be.

20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken... (In 332BC the Earth was conquered by Alexander the Great; hellenistic domain.)

As far as my own understanding reaches,
the fulfillment of the vision above of 2300 days, it begins to be counted from around the period of Alexander the Great, symbolized in the vision by the goat - Greek rule-verse 21 - and will fulfilled LITERALLY in the current time, in our days or henceforward.

But on the other hand, by analogy, the vision of a ram and the goat, it may spiritually be the War between Michael and the red Dragon- that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan-Revelation 12:7 combined with Revelation 13:11-18- , a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; (Antichrist) but he shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Daniel 12:1-3 and 10-12
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(the sacrifice of JESUS have lasted around 730.000 days), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (END OF THE DEVILS's WORLD)
Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day1.335. Hallelujaaah!!!


Be careful or then get ready
If you darkened the rest of the phrase “end of the indignation: for” you would have arrived at the final period of indignation in the end of the end times.

Dan 8:19 Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
Dan 8:19 And he said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.


The correct understanding of Dan 8:19 would have guided you away from any event that happened before the end times began. Had you adhered to the scriptures you would not have imagined that the 2300 days could be anything other than what it says.

When we take into consideration that the 10 diadems found in Rev. 13:1 symbolize the ten kings, that emerge within the ten-nation kingdom found in Dan 7:24, we can see that the large horn that Dan.8:8 tells us broke has to symbolize the nation associated with the first of the ten kings , which is described in Dan 8:21.
Rev. 13:1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.
Dan 7:24 ‘As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings
Dan 8:8 Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly. But as soon as he was mighty, the large horn was broken; and in its place there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.
Dan 8:21 “The shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king.


Jesus revealed to me that the ten-nation kingdom is made up of those nations that surround Israel that are working together or as a kingdom to overthrow Israel and the ten kings that arise within the ten-nation kingdom are the emerging dominant leaders of the terrorist organizations that are working side by side with the kings of the ten-nation kingdom.

You need to switch to the NASB. The KJV is difficult to read and understand. Dan 8:25 says the Antichrist will come against Jesus and be destroyed without human agency. The fulfillment of Dan 8:25 is found in Rev.19:19-21.
Dan 8:25 “And through his shrewdness
He will cause deceit to succeed by his influence;
And he will magnify himself in his heart,
And he will destroy many while they are at ease.
He will even oppose the Prince of princes,
But he will be broken without human agency.



Rev. 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies, assembled to make war against Him who sat upon the horse, and against His army. 20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat upon the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Dan. 12:1 pertains to the great tribulation period, which begins when the False Prophets sets up the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem. At the end of the great tribulation period which includes the judgment of Babylon the great, (USA) the resurrection of the righteous takes place.

Those of us who understand this correctly and share it with others, like I am doing with you, will shine like a bright star.

Dan. 8:13-14 tells us the total length of time the Antichrist is on the scene will be 2300 days.
Dan. 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “ How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” 14 And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored.”

Dan 12:11 says the length of time from the time the Antichrist removes the regular sacrifice and he is thrown into the Lake of Fire is 1290 days.
Dan.12:11 “And from the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

According to Rev. 11:2-3 the length of time from the time the Antichrist tramples Jerusalem and the two witnesses prophesy will be 1260 days.
Rev. 11:2 “And leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. 3 “And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

When Dan 9:27 tells us the sacrifice is stopped by the False Prophet and the Antichrist, which marks the beginning of the 1290 days found in Dan 12:11 it is telling us the temple will be completed before this time period begins, which means the 220 days fall in the first half of the 70th week and will be included in the peace treaty he makes when he first rises to power. I would imagine that the Jews will rebuild the temple immediately in the beginning of the 70th week. I would not add it to any of the numbers that mark the beginning of the second half of the week.

Dan. 9:27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

Those that attain to the 1335th day are those believers who will be changed in the resurrection but remain to minister to those who will believe between the time the resurrection takes place and we believers return with Jesus and the 1000 year reign begins.
 
Our understanding of it James: In the 20th year of Artaxerxes (Longimanus), the year Nehemiah received permission to go and rebuild Jerusalem. (Ne 2:1, 5-8) The reasons for favoring the date of 455 B.C.E. for this year as against the popular date of 445 B.C.E. are considered in the article PERSIA, PERSIANS. The events of this year that involve the rebuilding of Jerusalem and its walls mark the starting point of the prophecy concerning the “seventy weeks” at Daniel 9:24-27. The weeks there are clearly “weeks of years” (Da 9:24, RS, AT, Mo), totaling 490 years. As demonstrated under the heading SEVENTY WEEKS, the prophecy pointed to Jesus’ appearance as the Messiah in the year 29 C.E.; his death at “the half of the week” or in the middle of the last week of years, that is, in 33 C.E.; and the end of the period of God’s special favor to the Jews in 36 C.E. Thus, the 70 weeks of years closed with the conversion of Cornelius, 490 years from the year 455 B.C.E.—Ac 10:30-33, 44-48; 11:1.

Again, this is either an accurate understanding or it is not sir. You have to decide.
Jesus removes all sin from Jerusalem when the 1000 years reign begins. When the 1000 years begins Jerusalem transforms into New Jerusalem. There will be sin in Jerusalem until that time.
 
No, it is not my opinion. You are Judged by the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? My Lord JESUS made it very clear, saying: John 12:47-48 - ... I came not to Judge the world, but to save the world..., but hath one that Judgeth: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall Judge in the last Day. - (that is the LORD's Day, this Day arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium)

JESUS also made it very clear, saying: Matthew 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
The "final period of indignation in the end times" tell us to not look for the fulfillment before the end times begins, which you or someone you have listened to has done.
 
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