The Gay Gene

[Ticipater5000]

Scientists have found a gay gene, if you will. Although not occurring in each subject, a similar genetic pattern was found more often than not in homosexual subjects. If this is indeed true, why do religions shun people for how they are made?

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Scientists have found a gay gene, if you will. Although not occurring in each subject, a similar genetic pattern was found more often than not in homosexual subjects. If this is indeed true, why do religions shun people for how they are made?

Because of a line in Romans says its unnatural.

Frankly, It doesn't mean much. Its the same as how the Church views the Inter-sexed and those with GID. Its easier to deny such cases then to actually accept them. All the proving of the gene theory will do is make it easier for people like me to get my equal rights and have a comeback when people bring up the influence of children bull crap.

That or the church will pull a germ theory trip again and pretend it always accepted us and pretend it never did. Don't hear to many preachers shouting Demons when a person has a cold do ya? ;)

 

[jasoncran]

Scientists have found a gay gene, if you will. Although not occurring in each subject, a similar genetic pattern was found more often than not in homosexual subjects. If this is indeed true, why do religions shun people for how they are made?

post that, i want see this study

 

[GojuBrian]

No gay gene

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Defau ... ?id=528376

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

http://www.citizenlink.org/turnsignal/A000007949.cfm

There is no gay gene, no murder gene, no pedophelia gene, no abortion gene, no adultery gene, etc....

It's called the fall of man and our sinful nature, nothing more. Sure we would all feel better to know that we can't control our sin, but the truth is, we just don't want to.

 

[Ed the Ned]

I wonder how much money has gone in to trying to identify this Gay Gene. I don't believe in it. Homosexuality is a choice you make and only God and help you out of it, just like smoking, drinking, sexual perversion etc etc etc.

 

[Lewis]

Re: No gay gene

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=528376

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

http://www.citizenlink.org/turnsignal/A000007949.cfm

There is no gay gene, no murder gene, no pedophelia gene, no abortion gene, no adultery gene, etc....

It's called the fall of man and our sinful nature, nothing more. Sure we would all feel better to know that we can't control our sin, but the truth is, we just don't want to.

I agree, it's a big fat, real big fat lie.

 

[Elf]

Scientists have found a gay gene, if you will. Although not occurring in each subject, a similar genetic pattern was found more often than not in homosexual subjects.

There is something else which is common to everyone born, "no exceptions" original sin! It is in everyone one of us.

As far as a gay gene goes, why be surprised? We live in a fallen world, and it would fit right in.

I'ts similar as people who live in different part of the world, for example: Certain countries people have bigger bones (as a rule), others pigmentation's in their skin, ect...There is nothing wrong here, just an example. As these Genes fit their environments and develop ( evolve)accordingly, so it is with the fallen nature and the gay gene.
Obviously not everyone is born with this gene (by God's grace) but it certainly seems a part of the fallen nature.

If this is indeed true, why do religions shun people for how they are made?

Adam and Eve were not made with a gay gene, if anything the Fall is the cause of this. All of Adam's posterity is under the curse.

I do not believe religions shun people for how they were made, it isn't how God made them, it is what man did in rebellion to God, we have brought it on ourselves.

Homosexuality is a sin, and it is not an excused sin. On this note, why should religions (Christianity specifically) accept it?

The same reasoning would be, scientists found a "murder gene" in many murders, but not all. So, why should we shun them?

Some of us may look at the two and say, homosexuality is not as bad as murder, in a sense they may be correct. But, how does God see it (sin)? God is perfect and Holy, if we break one commandment we are guilty of breaking them all.

There is no way to lighten sin, no excuses.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I wonder how much money has gone in to trying to identify this Gay Gene. I don't believe in it. Homosexuality is a choice you make and only God and help you out of it, just like smoking, drinking, sexual perversion etc etc etc.

Nope. I'm a living breathing example of it not being a choice. I also have70 years of research by multiple biologists and psychologists to prove this.
Its one of those things the church tries to pass off as black and white, when scrutinized and refined research has shown that the majority of those who are capable of changing where Bi sexual from the start.


I also don't understand why the church would be against Bi sexuals. Considering that whole choice matter rests on everyone being to some degree bi sexual.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Re: No gay gene

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=528376

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

http://www.citizenlink.org/turnsignal/A000007949.cfm

There is no gay gene, no murder gene, no pedophelia gene, no abortion gene, no adultery gene, etc....

It's called the fall of man and our sinful nature, nothing more. Sure we would all feel better to know that we can't control our sin, but the truth is, we just don't want to.

I agree, it's a big fat, real big fat lie.

Scientists have been genetically making fruit flies, sheep, and bees gay for years.

Then again its science so It has to be untrue.

 

[Dave Slayer]

[quote="Ed the Ned":1oavartx]I wonder how much money has gone in to trying to identify this Gay Gene. I don't believe in it. Homosexuality is a choice you make and only God and help you out of it, just like smoking, drinking, sexual perversion etc etc etc.

Nope. I'm a living breathing example of it not being a choice. I also have70 years of research by multiple biologists and psychologists to prove this.
Its one of those things the church tries to pass off as black and white, when scrutinized and refined research has shown that the majority of those who are capable of changing where Bi sexual from the start.


I also don't understand why the church would be against Bi sexuals. Considering that whole choice matter rests on everyone being to some degree bi sexual.[/quote:1oavartx]

Then I guess you are exempt from this sin. Perhaps I should be exempt from stealing because I was born a thief.
:P

 

[Lance_Iguana]

[quote="Lance_Iguana":24iusxbt][quote="Ed the Ned":24iusxbt]I wonder how much money has gone in to trying to identify this Gay Gene. I don't believe in it. Homosexuality is a choice you make and only God and help you out of it, just like smoking, drinking, sexual perversion etc etc etc.

Nope. I'm a living breathing example of it not being a choice. I also have70 years of research by multiple biologists and psychologists to prove this.
Its one of those things the church tries to pass off as black and white, when scrutinized and refined research has shown that the majority of those who are capable of changing where Bi sexual from the start.


I also don't understand why the church would be against Bi sexuals. Considering that whole choice matter rests on everyone being to some degree bi sexual.[/quote:24iusxbt]

Then I guess you are exempt from this sin. Perhaps I should be exempt from stealing because I was born a thief.
:P[/quote:24iusxbt]How dose who I'm attracted to equate to stealling?

My hormones and orientation just happen to point at the same gender instead of the oposite. There was no choice in the matter.
I didn't hit puberty and decide to like men, It just happened.

As I've told people many times here. I tried to change for years and it didn't work. The closest I even got was when I got a girl friend, but we never made it past the friends stage. I wasn't sexually attracted to her.

I swear, if you guys had to actually deal with "REAL" homosexuality you'd change you tone pretty quick.

You can think real homosexuality doesn't exist all you want, but I and thousands of cases that have tried to change know we didn't choose this.

One of the people who brought me out of my depression was a former minister who is gay. He showed me I didn't have to hate myself. His radio show helped me in ways the church tried to hurt me or refused to listen.

You can choose to steal because its not a bodily function. I can't decide what my brain tells me is attractive.

 

[Dave Slayer]

That is why we pray hard and ask God to change us. There have been many homosexuals and bi-sexuals who have had an orientation change by the mighty grace of God! We can't do anything apart from God.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

That is why we pray hard and ask God to change us. There have been many homosexuals and bi-sexuals who have had an orientation change by the mighty grace of God! We can't do anything apart from God.

yeah I've heard the "Stories". All of them suspect, especially since most cases of saved end up going back to homosexuality later.

Don't you think I prayed. I said I tried for years. This is what I meant by the church refusing to listen. YOu guys are so wrapped up in the idea me and several other haven't tried hard enough, when you have no idea how most of us have tried.

I've spent many a night trying to force myself to like the opposite, with no avail. I spent years praying.

Want to know what it got me? Self loathing and social anxiety. If the price of straight is to have a complete meltdown just so I can be another statistic for the successful "changed". Then no. I refuse to put myself through the hell I did as a Teenager.

I wasted so much of my youth trying to force myself to be something I'm not. I'm not wasting anymore time, just to please some people who would rather want me dead, or are just uncomfortable.

If I'm going to be damned then so be it. As I've said before, you have no idea what I've been through!

 

[Dave Slayer]

I guess if you can't help to like the same sex, that may be fine as long as you don't engage in any sexual activity with the same sex.

 

[LostSoul]

I do not believe there is such a thing as the gay gene. Have a family member too who is Lesbian that I love very much. But I still do believe very much that it is a choice, just as it is to pull the trigger of a gun to take a life. Not necessarily one of the best choices a person can make, but we all are entitled to make a mistake or two. That is one of the many reasons why we need Jesus so much.

 

[Elf]

I do not believe there is such a thing as the gay gene. Have a family member too who is Lesbian that I love very much. But I still do believe very much that it is a choice, just as it is to pull the trigger of a gun to take a life. Not necessarily one of the best choices a person can make, but we all are entitled to make a mistake or two. That is one of the many reasons why we need Jesus so much.

Aint that the truth.

 

[Elf]

yeah I've heard the "Stories". All of them suspect, especially since most cases of saved end up going back to homosexuality later.

It's sin, and as long as we are in the flesh we shall struggle with it.

Don't you think I prayed. I said I tried for years. This is what I meant by the church refusing to listen. YOu guys are so wrapped up in the idea me and several other haven't tried hard enough, when you have no idea how most of us have tried.

Just the simply fact that you prayed and tried hard agrees it is sin. Don't give up. Satan knows our weaknesses, our achilles heal, continue to pray and fight against it. It's an abomination.

I've spent many a night trying to force myself to like the opposite, with no avail. I spent years praying.

Here again is proof. Advice, stop trying to like the opposite sex, and give your life to Christ and His will for your life. You will wear yourself out, our battle is not against flesh and blood, it is spiritual.

Want to know what it got me? Self loathing and social anxiety. If the price of straight is to have a complete meltdown just so I can be another statistic for the successful "changed". Then no. I refuse to put myself through the hell I did as a Teenager.

That's what Satan wants, stay in your sin and die in it.

I wasted so much of my youth trying to force myself to be something I'm not. I'm not wasting anymore time, just to please some people who would rather want me dead, or are just uncomfortable.

What do you want? You have three choices, homosexuality, straight, or God. It seems your struggling with the first two, try the latter.

If I'm going to be damned then so be it. As I've said before, you have no idea what I've been through!

If you don't care about your eternity that is not a very good sign.

 

[jasoncran]

[quote="Dave Slayer":ti4y2xna]That is why we pray hard and ask God to change us. There have been many homosexuals and bi-sexuals who have had an orientation change by the mighty grace of God! We can't do anything apart from God.

yeah I've heard the "Stories". All of them suspect, especially since most cases of saved end up going back to homosexuality later.

Don't you think I prayed. I said I tried for years. This is what I meant by the church refusing to listen. YOu guys are so wrapped up in the idea me and several other haven't tried hard enough, when you have no idea how most of us have tried.

I've spent many a night trying to force myself to like the opposite, with no avail. I spent years praying.

Want to know what it got me? Self loathing and social anxiety. If the price of straight is to have a complete meltdown just so I can be another statistic for the successful "changed". Then no. I refuse to put myself through the hell I did as a Teenager.

I wasted so much of my youth trying to force myself to be something I'm not. I'm not wasting anymore time, just to please some people who would rather want me dead, or are just uncomfortable.

If I'm going to be damned then so be it. As I've said before, you have no idea what I've been through![/quote:ti4y2xna]
really i didnt and i had thoughts of men being atractive,long before i did the deed. I would try to fight those thoughts for years, and on and off they would come to my head. Now that jesus is in me, very, rarely do i get, them. Satan tempts me but though through the power of christ., he's defeated.

 

[jasoncran]

if the chruch accepts that the gay gene is the way it is, modifies the teaching, oopps out goes the cross because science says we cant prove that he died and is the Lord. Without the faith in the Lord, and his word, christianity is just another feell good about your sin type of religion. I've been there and no, i wont go back.

jason

 

[Nick]

I can't believe being 'gay' is a choice? Something has probably gone wrong in the genetics or something has happened in their life to make them that way. God can pull them out of it, but really, you can't 'choose' to be gay or choose to be straight or bisexual.
And I've got proof!