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The Hour Of Temptation

ozell

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Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

How will the Lord keep those from the hour of temptation(great tribulation) that will come upon the whole world?

what is this hour of temptation?
what is the word of God's patience?
 
The great tribulation, the hour of temptation, the time of trouble, this is the beast and false prophets time to rule.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
 
ozell said:
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

How will the Lord keep those from the hour of temptation(great tribulation) that will come upon the whole world?

what is this hour of temptation?
what is the word of God's patience?
Hello Ozell, long time, no see. MTAA. Daniel 2:34. While you were watching, a stone was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But that stone that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth. Revelation 18:21.
Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again. When people see who that beast is they will wonder about whose name has been written in the book of life.
 
ozell said:
How will the Lord keep those from the hour of temptation(great tribulation) that will come upon the whole world?
The answer to that is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Michael ascends to heaven and learns of a place to to be built, and then decends to inform the other messengers. Isaiah 18:7
At that time gifts will be brought to the LORD Almighty from a people tall and smooth-skinned, from a people feared far and wide, an aggressive nation of strange speech, whose land is divided by rivers— the gifts will be brought to Mount Zion, a place Named for Yahwah Almighty.
Luke 14:28
"Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? Matthew 23:37
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
:o
 
mdo757 said:
ozell said:
How will the Lord keep those from the hour of temptation(great tribulation) that will come upon the whole world?
The answer to that is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Michael ascends to heaven and learns of a place to to be built, and then decends to inform the other messengers. Isaiah 18:7
At that time gifts will be brought to the LORD Almighty from a people tall and smooth-skinned, from a people feared far and wide, an aggressive nation of strange speech, whose land is divided by rivers— the gifts will be brought to Mount Zion, a place Named for Yahwah Almighty.
Luke 14:28
"Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? Matthew 23:37
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
:o


Hey am I on the right site?? ;)
--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
mdo757 said:
ozell said:
How will the Lord keep those from the hour of temptation(great tribulation) that will come upon the whole world?
The answer to that is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Michael ascends to heaven and learns of a place to to be built, and then decends to inform the other messengers. Isaiah 18:7
At that time gifts will be brought to the LORD Almighty from a people tall and smooth-skinned, from a people feared far and wide, an aggressive nation of strange speech, whose land is divided by rivers— the gifts will be brought to Mount Zion, a place Named for Yahwah Almighty.
Luke 14:28
"Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? Matthew 23:37
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
:o


Hey am I on the right site?? ;)
--Elijah

I don't know whether to laugh or cry? :crying :lol
 
Jesus gave strict instruction to his servant to flee when you see the AOD.

In Matt 24

15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
 
the great tribulation is the time of trouble or the hour of temptation that cometh upon the whole earth.

this is the time the Lord will protect us from.

Rv 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

Jesus commanded us to flee!
 
Perhaps one should examine where we get the notion that the "hour of testing" is referring to the Great Tribulation. It is more evidence to suggest that this "hour of testing" is pointing to the wrath of YHWH. Just who are those who "dwell upon the earth." Are these earth-dwellers ever referred to as those who trust God or are they described as enemies of God? Please see this commentary by David Bussard, who I think does on excellent job on the topic:

Revelation 3:10 — Pre-trib Foundation
...
Within the letter directed to the Church of Philadelphia is one of only two verses in the entire Bible that appear to teach that we will not experience the final persecution in the last days. But appearances can be deceptive, especially when we’ve been brainwashed by pre-trib scholars, pastors, books, and movies that have repeatedly told us what this particular passage means.

Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Rev. 3:10, NASB).

It is a complete assumption that the “hour of testing†we will be “kept from†is the 70th Week, or the Great Tribulation. When the entirety of the Bible contradicts this interpretation, it seems more than unlikely that this is what an isolated passage would be teaching.

I suggest that most have been wrong about this hotly debated section of scripture, including those who believe as I do – that we will not escape the future suffering. I even have to admit that I was wrong about this passage when I first wrote my book, wasting ten pages (pp. 87-97) analyzing the Greek meaning and the pre-trib interpretation. No such elaborate linguistic gymnastics are necessary.

While I formerly proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that the translation, “keep you from the hour of testing,†can also be translated (according to the Greek), “preserve you while within the hour of testing,†I now reject that this is what the passage is conveying. I believe that the test has absolutely nothing to do with the Church, or the “tribulation saints,†as the pre-trib theory would call them. The test is not for the followers of Christ, but for enemies of God. The test is not the 70th Week in its entirety or the time span of the Great Tribulation, but rather, the Day of the Lord.

Think about it. If those who hold the pre-tribulation position can assume the “test†is the entire 70th Week, why can’t we just as easily assume the “test†is not the 70th Week, but strictly the Day of the Lord? There is nothing within the passage clearly answering what the “test†actually is, but there is a hint that is usually overlooked, and helps us to avoid jumping to conclusions based on complete assumptions. Notice who the test is for in Revelation 3:10.

…I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

The test is for “those who dwell on the earth.†“Yeah, so what,†you say. There are many keys within the language in the book of Revelation, and “those who dwell on the earth†has a distinct meaning that goes far beyond a simple statement concerning people living on planet earth. The phrase, “those who dwell on the earth,†is used 9 times in Revelation, and each time it is referring to those who are the enemies of God and worshipers of the beast.

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain (Rev. 13:8).

How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth (Rev. 6:10)?

See also: Revelation 8:13, 11:10, 13:12, 13:14 (twice), 17:2, 17:8

… the simplicity of it hit me when I read the following verses. It became obvious that the test is, in fact, the Day of the Lord, and is for those hostile towards God.

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also (Rev. 6:9-11).

We know from the above passage that God is not “judging†or “avenging†the blood of the martyrs, and is therefore not pouring out end-times wrath during the seals as pre-trib teachers would claim. But I believe there is more going on here. WHY isn't God judging or avenging the martyrs' blood by distributing wrath upon "those who dwell on the earth?" Because it's not about THEM yet! God clearly tells the martyrs to rest – or, as the NIV more accurately translates it, “wait†– until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed was completed. THEN He will judge “those who dwell on the earth.â€

Up to this point in the 70th Week, the followers of Christ have been the ones suffering [ie. the Great Tribulation], but this will soon change so that the “earth dwellers†will become the objects of suffering. It is no coincidence that the sixth seal follows His promise to avenge the death of His martyred servants and judge “those who dwell on the earth.â€

I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand (Rev. 6:12-17)?"

We know because we have seen the sign in the sun, moon, and stars that the Day of the Lord will soon follow, for the prophet Joel informed us that this sign would take place before the Day.

The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes (Joel 2:31).

The fact that the Day of the Lord cannot take place until after the sign in the sun, moon, and stars verifies that the time period previous to this is not aimed at the enemies of God, “those who dwell on the earth.†Never is there a biblical mention of end-times wrath that will precede the Day of the Lord. It is always the Day of God that evil men are warned about when the subject is concerning God’s wrath.

Since the Day of the Lord has not begun before the sixth seal, no wrath is being poured out upon the “earth dwellers,†and He is not judging or avenging the blood of the martyrs, so the “test†for them couldn’t possibly be under way, no matter what pre-trib teachers proclaim. But once the sixth seal is opened, the triple sign in the sky is displayed, and the sky opens up like a scroll, it is time for the earth dwellers to fear. It’s time for them to hide themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, and from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, because the time has come—it is NOW about THEM! The hour of testing has arrived to test “those who dwell on the earth.â€

I have connected the two passages in question to simplify what I believe is being taught.

…“How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?â€â€¦And they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also...Then God will avenge their blood by throwing those who dwell upon the earth into the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test them.

And fortunately we will be “kept from†the hour of testing, because we will be rescued from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10). When we see the triple sign in the sky we will know that our redemption draws near (Luke 21:28). The sky will split apart (NASB) and recede (NIV) like a scroll (Rev. 6:14), and relief will be given to the afflicted as Christ is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels (2 Thess. 1:7). Christ will gather us from the furthest end of the earth to the furthest end of the heaven (Mark 13:27), and His presence will make the inhabitants of the earth fear for their lives and recognize that the wrath of God has come (Rev. 6:16). The test will begin, and all who have worshiped the beast will fail the test and pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day (2 Thess. 1:8-9)!
 
D4Christ said:
Perhaps one should examine where we get the notion that the "hour of testing" is referring to the Great Tribulation. It is more evidence to suggest that this "hour of testing" is pointing to the wrath of YHWH. Just who are those who "dwell upon the earth." Are these earth-dwellers ever referred to as those who trust God or are they described as enemies of God? Please see this commentary by David Bussard, who I think does on excellent job on the topic:

Revelation 3:10 — Pre-trib Foundation
...
Within the letter directed to the Church of Philadelphia is one of only two verses in the entire Bible that appear to teach that we will not experience the final persecution in the last days. But appearances can be deceptive, especially when we’ve been brainwashed by pre-trib scholars, pastors, books, and movies that have repeatedly told us what this particular passage means.

Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (Rev. 3:10, NASB).

It is a complete assumption that the “hour of testing†we will be “kept from†is the 70th Week, or the Great Tribulation. When the entirety of the Bible contradicts this interpretation, it seems more than unlikely that this is what an isolated passage would be teaching.

I suggest that most have been wrong about this hotly debated section of scripture, including those who believe as I do – that we will not escape the future suffering. I even have to admit that I was wrong about this passage when I first wrote my book, wasting ten pages (pp. 87-97) analyzing the Greek meaning and the pre-trib interpretation. No such elaborate linguistic gymnastics are necessary.

While I formerly proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that the translation, “keep you from the hour of testing,†can also be translated (according to the Greek), “preserve you while within the hour of testing,†I now reject that this is what the passage is conveying. I believe that the test has absolutely nothing to do with the Church, or the “tribulation saints,†as the pre-trib theory would call them. The test is not for the followers of Christ, but for enemies of God. The test is not the 70th Week in its entirety or the time span of the Great Tribulation, but rather, the Day of the Lord.

Think about it. If those who hold the pre-tribulation position can assume the “test†is the entire 70th Week, why can’t we just as easily assume the “test†is not the 70th Week, but strictly the Day of the Lord? There is nothing within the passage clearly answering what the “test†actually is, but there is a hint that is usually overlooked, and helps us to avoid jumping to conclusions based on complete assumptions. Notice who the test is for in Revelation 3:10.

…I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

The test is for “those who dwell on the earth.†“Yeah, so what,†you say. There are many keys within the language in the book of Revelation, and “those who dwell on the earth†has a distinct meaning that goes far beyond a simple statement concerning people living on planet earth. The phrase, “those who dwell on the earth,†is used 9 times in Revelation, and each time it is referring to those who are the enemies of God and worshipers of the beast.

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain (Rev. 13:8).

How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth (Rev. 6:10)?

See also: Revelation 8:13, 11:10, 13:12, 13:14 (twice), 17:2, 17:8

… the simplicity of it hit me when I read the following verses. It became obvious that the test is, in fact, the Day of the Lord, and is for those hostile towards God.

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also (Rev. 6:9-11).

We know from the above passage that God is not “judging†or “avenging†the blood of the martyrs, and is therefore not pouring out end-times wrath during the seals as pre-trib teachers would claim. But I believe there is more going on here. WHY isn't God judging or avenging the martyrs' blood by distributing wrath upon "those who dwell on the earth?" Because it's not about THEM yet! God clearly tells the martyrs to rest – or, as the NIV more accurately translates it, “wait†– until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed was completed. THEN He will judge “those who dwell on the earth.â€

Up to this point in the 70th Week, the followers of Christ have been the ones suffering [ie. the Great Tribulation], but this will soon change so that the “earth dwellers†will become the objects of suffering. It is no coincidence that the sixth seal follows His promise to avenge the death of His martyred servants and judge “those who dwell on the earth.â€

I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand (Rev. 6:12-17)?"

We know because we have seen the sign in the sun, moon, and stars that the Day of the Lord will soon follow, for the prophet Joel informed us that this sign would take place before the Day.

The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes (Joel 2:31).

The fact that the Day of the Lord cannot take place until after the sign in the sun, moon, and stars verifies that the time period previous to this is not aimed at the enemies of God, “those who dwell on the earth.†Never is there a biblical mention of end-times wrath that will precede the Day of the Lord. It is always the Day of God that evil men are warned about when the subject is concerning God’s wrath.

Since the Day of the Lord has not begun before the sixth seal, no wrath is being poured out upon the “earth dwellers,†and He is not judging or avenging the blood of the martyrs, so the “test†for them couldn’t possibly be under way, no matter what pre-trib teachers proclaim. But once the sixth seal is opened, the triple sign in the sky is displayed, and the sky opens up like a scroll, it is time for the earth dwellers to fear. It’s time for them to hide themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, and from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, because the time has come—it is NOW about THEM! The hour of testing has arrived to test “those who dwell on the earth.â€

I have connected the two passages in question to simplify what I believe is being taught.

…“How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?â€â€¦And they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also...Then God will avenge their blood by throwing those who dwell upon the earth into the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test them.

And fortunately we will be “kept from†the hour of testing, because we will be rescued from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10). When we see the triple sign in the sky we will know that our redemption draws near (Luke 21:28). The sky will split apart (NASB) and recede (NIV) like a scroll (Rev. 6:14), and relief will be given to the afflicted as Christ is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels (2 Thess. 1:7). Christ will gather us from the furthest end of the earth to the furthest end of the heaven (Mark 13:27), and His presence will make the inhabitants of the earth fear for their lives and recognize that the wrath of God has come (Rev. 6:16). The test will begin, and all who have worshiped the beast will fail the test and pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day (2 Thess. 1:8-9)!

This can all be understood [IF] one Truely Believes the Word of God in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15
--Elijah
 
D4Christ said:
Perhaps one should examine where we get the notion that the "hour of testing" is referring to the Great Tribulation. It is more evidence to suggest that this "hour of testing" is pointing to the wrath of YHWH. Just who are those who "dwell upon the earth." Are these earth-dwellers ever referred to as those who trust God or are they described as enemies of God? Please see this commentary by David Bussard, who I think does on excellent job on the topic:

who do you think the the people are dwellin on the earth are at this time?

who do you think is the mamtermind behind the GT? Jesus or satan.

before you answer lets read

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
 
here is the instructions the Lord gave those who see this event

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

what are we to do?

16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those day

why?

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

did Jesus give any other instructions about this time?

is this the end time?

1: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 
ozell said:
here is the instructions the Lord gave those who see this event

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

what are we to do?

16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those day

why?

21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

did Jesus give any other instructions about this time?

is this the end time?

1: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


FORUM, When Christ was cut off in the 'Midst Of The Week' and Israel CHOOSE A NEW LEADER... we have NO 'KING BUT CEASAR' they documented, then the [ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION] Matt. 23:23 was consumated! (A.D.70 was 39 yrs future!)

OK: WHO TOOK OVER CHRIST'S ex/VIRGIN FOLD?? See Isa, 5:3 [Judge, I pray you...BETWIXT *ME* and My VINEYARD]. Now at this time old Israel CHOOSE their New Captain satan as their leader!! See Rev. 3:9 for the repeat of Eccl. 3:15 of what is NOT NEW! These seven years were the MIDNIGHT CRY seen in Matt, 25 just before the CLOSED DOOR OF THEIR PROBATION as a Virgin Church. (Rev. 2:5 = Matt. 23:38)

(the kid here gets the midnight cry confused with the loud cry which was 39 years apart. this time around it will be cut short in rightousness we atre told twice)

--Elijah
 
Matt 24v21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

has this happened?
 
FORUM, When Christ was cut off in the 'Midst Of The Week' and Israel CHOOSE A NEW LEADER... we have NO 'KING BUT CEASAR' they documented, then the [ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION] Matt. 23:23 was consumated! (A.D.70 was 39 yrs future!)

OK: WHO TOOK OVER CHRIST'S ex/VIRGIN FOLD?? See Isa, 5:3 [Judge, I pray you...BETWIXT *ME* and My VINEYARD]. Now at this time old Israel CHOOSE their New Captain satan as their leader!! See Rev. 3:9 for the repeat of Eccl. 3:15 of what is NOT NEW! These seven years were the MIDNIGHT CRY seen in Matt, 25 just before the CLOSED DOOR OF THEIR PROBATION as a Virgin Church. (Rev. 2:5 = Matt. 23:38)

(the kid here gets the midnight cry confused with the loud cry which was 39 years apart. this time around it will be cut short in rightousness we atre told twice)

was 70AD the end of the world?

Matt 24v1: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 
God keeps those safe who are in the Word. Christ is the Word. We will be safe in the Ark (Christ)

Noah had a wooden Ark. We have a spiritual Ark :sadChrist and Christ is the Word of God)

God is always the same. This is still true: Gen 15:1 After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.



We first have to believe that, that is indeed true. The we can claim this to be true for us, and God will honor our faith and He will indeed keep us in this truth. Here is the "modern Ark:

Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place (Christ, the Word, is the secret place ) of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2 I will say of Jehovah, He is my refuge and my fortress; My God, in whom I trust.
Psa 91:3 For he will deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, And from the deadly pestilence.
Psa 91:4 He will cover thee with his pinions, And under his wings shalt thou take refuge: His truth is a shield and a buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, Nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 For the pestilence that walketh in darkness, Nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, And ten thousand at thy right hand; But it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold, And see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9 For thou, O Jehovah, art my refuge! Thou hast made the Most High thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, Neither shall any plague come nigh thy tent.
Psa 91:11 For he will give his angels charge over thee, To keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, Lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: The young lion and the serpent shalt thou trample under foot.
Psa 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble: I will deliver him, and honor him.
Psa 91:16 With long life will I satisfy him, And show him my salvation.
 
In the Tribulation, the "Hour of temptation" we will need a .....refuge and a fortress.............

Psa 91:2 I will say of Jehovah, He is my refuge and my fortress;

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Gen 15:1 After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

Praise God, through believing HIM, we will be able to go through ANYTHING. We will be safe when we trust HIM. HE will look after us :)

C
 
OK Forum; You are reading the ARM OF FLESH over & over again Jer. 17:5 + Titus 3:9-11???
It was Christ who NEVER CHANGES who STATED in Matt. 24:14 [[THIS TRUTH]]..

[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Now, is that hard to understand? Does one need the Arm of Flesh to understand that??? DO YOU BELIEVE CHRIST/GOD??????? This was 'DOCUMENTED' when Christ was still on earth!!

OK: These are the Above verses from Paul's INSPIRATION here below, DOES ONE BELIEVE THE [[TWICE REPEATED (Gen. 41:32)]] WORDS OF [[THE HOLY SPIRIT'S INSPIRATION]]? that IS THE QUESTION? First Christ/God, and then the Holy Spirit/GOD tell us a FACT EVEN AFTER CHRIST LEFT FOR HIS HIGH PRIESTLY WORK in heaven above...

Rom. 10 is dated around AD 60, 10 years before the Destruction of Jerusalem & after Christ's DOCUMENTATION of Matt. 24:14!

[14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

[15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[18] But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

But surely we need the hermeneutics of the arm of flesh for that first INSPIRED Verse from God, huh?

And the Godhead does not leave it there either! In Col. 1:22 we find 'Steadfast' MATURITY REQUIRED of the Godhead as well as knowing Truth! This was penned in AD 64, and again before AD 70's slaughter of Jerusalem!

WHY DID CHRIST NOT COME????????? If there is NO THUS SAYETH THE WORD OF GOD ANSWER, one is still on 'milk' & (or worse!) surely will need the ream's & ream's of satan's ARM OF REV. 17:5 ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH flesh to give you the answer!

OK: Col. 1
[21] And you, that were (?)sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled(?)

[22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

[23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard,
(hold it right there for re/flection!!! That IS NOT O.S.A.S. Arm of Flesh GARBAGE EITHER!!)

and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


Until one can BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD & ALL OF HIS CONDITIONS FROM GEN. ONE ON, he has NO IDEA OF WHAT BEING SETTLED IN THE FAITH MEANS!! Eph. 4:5 Nor of Christ's DOCUMENTED WORD OF MATT. 24:14's [[TRUTH!!]]
 
Cornelius said:
In the Tribulation, the "Hour of temptation" we will need a .....refuge and a fortress.............

Psa 91:2 I will say of Jehovah, He is my refuge and my fortress;

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Gen 15:1 After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

Praise God, through believing HIM, we will be able to go through ANYTHING. We will be safe when we trust HIM. HE will look after us :)

C


In Noah day Jesus used a ark as a refuge and fortress for Noah and his family.

In our day Jesus will use the wilderness as a refuge and fortress.

again it says

Mk 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

for then it will be
19: For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
 
="Cornelius"]God keeps those safe who are in the Word. Christ is the Word. We will be safe in the Ark (Christ)

Noah had a wooden Ark. We have a spiritual Ark :sadChrist and Christ is the Word of God)

God is always the same. This is still true: Gen 15:1 After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.



We first have to believe that, that is indeed true. The we can claim this to be true for us, and God will honor our faith and He will indeed keep us in this truth. Here is the "modern Ark:

Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place (Christ, the Word, is the secret place ) of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty
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what are the words of the most high?

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The most hight words are to flee.
 
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