The huggy thing in church

[Obadiah]

...In the 5th paragraph it says decon (man)...

Actually it says "Generally it is supposed that a deacon is a man." That's not saying a deacon is always a man according to scripture.

 

[Tony Hyman]

Ah so the plot thickens, regarding the mysterious "poisoning" of king Tut. Could it be that the "Trusted Regent" not only wanted the entire Kingdom ,but the whole harem as well,but but felt threatend by the youth, because they had at that stage perfected mumification ,but not the science of "face lifting" .Therefore thinking sixteen yet being 80 as things are today?

 

[Obadiah]

I don't think the Bible is clear on whether a woman can be a deacon in the Church.

Yet Paul talks of a female deacon and supports this. I don't know which idea is correct but Paul's words in the original language clearly talk of a female deacon in a positive way. This is enough evidence to call into question the tradition of prohibiting females from serving in leadership.

 

[Roro1972]

Actually it says "Generally it is supposed that a deacon is a man." That's not saying a deacon is always a man according to scripture.

I dont know I am wary of 20th century people claiming they know more than the ones that were closer to Christ time on earth.

 

[Obadiah]

I dont know I am wary of 20th century people claiming they know more than the ones that were closer to Christ time on earth.

Do you then disagree with Paul in the 1st century too? Paul said "deaconess" and he supported her. How do you feel about what Paul said in this passage?

 

[Kathi]

Yet Paul talks of a female deacon and supports this. I don't know which idea is correct but Paul's words in the original language clearly talk of a female deacon in a positive way. This is enough evidence to call into question the tradition of prohibiting females from serving in leadership.

The verse in Timothy definately includes women pastors.

 

[Eugene]

ok Im trying to understand this. in the link 3rd paragraph speaking of phoebe it says not just material or financial but ANY
matter she says.
In the 5th paragraph it says decon (man) is only material things only so now it is clearly saying a woman has much more
power than a man?????????????????? im not seeing what you are.

In this instance Paul wanted the church to assist Phoebe in the matters she needed in her ministry. I believe you had said that you didn't see the word deaconess which is simply an extension of the word deacon fitting for a woman. The word servant in the scripture Rom 16:1, I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea. This has the meaning and interpretation of a deacon, and in that position she would have charge over the matters in her charge to my thinking, and Brother Copley brings out the scriptures fitting that conclusion at the following URL link.
http://www.gracegod.com/pamphlet_and_articles/pamphlets/Phoebe.pdf

 

[Kathi]

In this instance Paul wanted the church to assist Phoebe in the matters she needed in her ministry. I believe you had said that you didn't see the word deaconess which is simply an extension of the word deacon fitting for a woman. The word servant in the scripture Rom 16:1, I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea. This has the meaning and interpretation of a deacon, and in that position she would have charge over the matters in her charge to my thinking, and Brother Copley brings out the scriptures fitting that conclusion at the following URL link.
http://www.gracegod.com/pamphlet_and_articles/pamphlets/Phoebe.pdf

I agree Eugene.Servant and Deacon can have similar meanings.

 

[angel page]

Hugs are great. Sometimes it can be the only genuine personal contact someone receives. And what better place to show love than within the community of Christ and while at church.

 

[Roro1972]

I agree Eugene.Servant and Deacon can have similar meanings.

Ill just stick to what is actually written in my kjv and not try to make more of it than it says.

 

[Kathi]

Ill just stick to what is actually written in my kjv and not try to make more of it than it says.

I don't read KJV.

 

[Obadiah]

Ill just stick to what is actually written in my kjv and not try to make more of it than it says.

Much along the same reasoning the KJV Only folk give me for using only the KJV (older, more accurate because it's closer to the original, etc, etc.), when there is a question of interpretation I'll just stick to what is actually written in the original language before any translators made more of it than it says. And the word is diakonos, which in the vast majority of the times it occurs (even in the KJV) is translated as "Deacon", as well as the context of the passage supporting the idea that she was indeed a deaconess in good standing of the Christian church.

 

[Roro1972]

I don't read KJV.

Im not pushing the kjv I read it; but you can make your own mind up as to what you read.

 

[Roro1972]

Do you then disagree with Paul in the 1st century too? Paul said "deaconess" and he supported her. How do you feel about what Paul said in this passage?

I do not see deaconess in my bible; so we must have different bibles.

 

[Roro1972]

Much along the same reasoning the KJV Only folk give me for using only the KJV (older, more accurate because it's closer to the original, etc, etc.), when there is a question of interpretation I'll just stick to what is actually written in the original language before any translators made more of it than it says. And the word is diakonos, which in the vast majority of the times it occurs (even in the KJV) is translated as "Deacon", as well as the context of the passage supporting the idea that she was indeed a deaconess in good standing of the Christian church.

Im not pushing kjv only. I bought a kjv when saved and that is what I use if you want to classify me then you can.
It is up to the person reading which bible they want, it is not up to me.

 

[Roro1972]

Actually it says "Generally it is supposed that a deacon is a man." That's not saying a deacon is always a man according to scripture.

That link appears to be some one writing their opinion of the scripture. Not actual scripture and Im guessing he is still alive but I dont know.

 

[Obadiah]

I do not see deaconess in my bible; so we must have different bibles.

Yes, you said this before and I quoted and made note of the reference from the International Standard Version, one of the translations that uses the word "deacon/deaconess" to show that it is indeed used in some other versions. Some others also use words such as "leader" (Contemporary English Version), "minister" (Darby), "in the ministry of the church" (Douay-Rhiems) and "ministrant of the assembly" (1898 Young's Literal Translation).

 

[Obadiah]

Im not pushing kjv only. I bought a kjv when saved and that is what I use if you want to classify me then you can.
It is up to the person reading which bible they want, it is not up to me.

I think you misread. I never classified you as anything. I referred to a concept used by many of the people who are of the KJVO persuasion and related it to what I was saying, but never said you were one of them. I didn't know if you were or not and have no need to classify you anyway. I also use the KJV many times, but like you, am not a supporter of the KJV only idea.

 

[Obadiah]

That link appears to be some one writing their opinion of the scripture. Not actual scripture and Im guessing he is still alive but I dont know.

Yes, it appears to be what is called a "commentary" and I don't think the poster was trying to pass it off as scripture. (Not sure what the significance is of whether the author is alive or not...) My comment about it was in response to your post where it seemed you misunderstood what the author was saying and I was trying to bring to light a different viewpoint. You are correct, commentary is the opinion of someone (usually someone who is a respected and knowledgeable Biblical scholar) on the meaning of a portion of scripture. It is intended to help someone like me to understand what the scripture actually means; someone who doesn't have the level of education and experience of the commentator.

 

[Roro1972]

Yes, it appears to be what is called a "commentary" and I don't think the poster was trying to pass it off as scripture. (Not sure what the significance is of whether the author is alive or not...) My comment about it was in response to your post where it seemed you misunderstood what the author was saying and I was trying to bring to light a different viewpoint. You are correct, commentary is the opinion of someone (usually someone who is a respected and knowledgeable Biblical scholar) on the meaning of a portion of scripture. It is intended to help someone like me to understand what the scripture actually means; someone who doesn't have the level of education and experience of the commentator.

I do not do a lot of research but I had heard of kjvo and did some looking and found other bibles have either left out or changed words. I do not care for that. From what I know the kjv has been around quite a while before some of the new versions so I stick with the tried and true not the newcomers. Ive also seen threads about people who write commentaries and a reader must know for sure what the person believes before they go following that person.
I do not know all the different people of today and all their beliefs I do not know which one is good or bad. I started reading my bible and decided what I think it means. I had no help and no teacher I prayed and read thats it. I do not claim I know more than anyone, actually I claim I know less than most. before I would believe the commentary I would have to look into who wrote it and what he believes. So at this time I do not take his word for my beliefs.
I do not hold with women pastors. You can if you like.