The Land Promises to Israel were Completed Long, Long Ago.

[Shilohsfoal]

After Christ returns on the last day and sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own, alive and laying in their graves up to Him to meet Him in the air, Matthew 24:29-31, 1Corinthians 15:50-58, what exactly will be doing for 1000 years and why would God have Satan bound for 1000 years before letting him loose and then casting him into the lake of fire if a 1000 years are literal.

Christ and the saints who are resurrected in the first resurrection will be reigning over the nations in the land promised to Christ.The promised land is the Lord's land Isaiah mentioned.


Isaiah 14:2
Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.

The nations in the promised land will go up to Jerusalem every year to keep the feast of tabernacles after Christ comes and reigns .

Zech 14
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


At the end of 1000 years which is the last day (1000 years is a day to the Lord).The nations outside the promised land take up arms with Gog and attempt to overthrow Christ's kingdom.But God destroys them.

Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



For seven years the saints will burn the weapons Gog and the nations brought with them to the promised land.


Ezekiel 39

39 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

For seven months Israel will be burying Gog and the other nations burnt bones.

Ezekiel 39

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.



Everything written in Ezekiel 37-39 corresponds to revelation 20.

 

[Highway54]

Sorry I missed this post.

The earth that we now live upon is destroyed by fire upon Christ's return. 1 Cor. 15:23-24 states very clearly that THE END comes immediately after Christ's return and Christ's kingdom is turned over to the Father at that time.

The book of John speaks of the Last Day 6 times and Christ speaks 5 of those in reference to His return and the (only) resurrection.

Last Day can only mean one thing.

The earth that we now live upon is destroyed by fire upon Christ's return. 1 Cor. 15:23-24 states very clearly that THE END comes immediately after Christ's return

Bible does not contradict sir: Ec 1:4 One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever. Ps 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.

Remember God destroyed the earth before through a flood, Jesus compared the upcoming destruction to the flood Mat 24:37. It is the wicked that will be removed at Jesus' coming Ps 37:9-11 with the righteous inheriting the earth forever v29. Many will survive the tribulation Rev 7:14 and only the anointed Christians will be redeemed from the earth Rev 14:1-3

Christ's kingdom is turned over to the Father at that time.

Different ends as you acknowledged.

 

[theWind]

During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.

And?

Many Israelites are still waiting for their Priestly King Messiah to come and sit on the throne of David, which the Temple has been destroyed since 70AD, as even today they reject Christ Jesus as Messiah,

..... and?

Is it your understanding that there was a physical "throne" located physically somewhere within the Temple?

You might want to research the layout of the Temple and what it contained. It is fascinating and it might help you to understand some things you might have wrong in multiple beliefs about God and the Bible.

but God will save a remnant of 144,000 from each tribe of Israel except for the tribe of Dan and Ephraim as they fell to idol worship and allowed God to be removed from them, Judges 18:30; 1 Kings12:25-33; Hosea 5:9, 11;Psalms 78:9-17, 65-67.

..... uhhhh, .... and?



The 144, 000 is not a literal number, just as the 1,000 years is not a literal number, just as the cattle on a thousand hills is not a literal number.

Revelation is not a literal book. It contains certain select literal details, but most of it is not literal as, ... once again ..., it is a book of visions, symbols and signs. Just as the Millennium time frame is not referred to outside the book of Revelation, the 144, 000 are not referred to, and therefore supported literally, outside of that book.

 

[theWind]

I corrected my self in post #17 if you care to go back and read it as I know this present heaven and earth will pass away in fervent heat and a new heaven and earth restored in preparation of the new Jerusalem God will usher down.

Thank you for pointing that out. Does that help you to understand that it is not Biblically possible then for there to be a Millennium time period on this physical earth after Christ's return?

The Millennium doctrine relies on there being this same physical earth remaining after His return. It is not possible for that doctrine to use the New Earth to explain it. It insists on this earth remaining.

Now that you see, and admit, that is not taught in the Bible, do you understand my view?

 

[theWind]

Bible does not contradict sir: Ec 1:4 One generation goeth, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth for ever. Ps 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.

Remember God destroyed the earth before through a flood, Jesus compared the upcoming destruction to the flood Mat 24:37. It is the wicked that will be removed at Jesus' coming Ps 37:9-11 with the righteous inheriting the earth forever v29. Many will survive the tribulation Rev 7:14 and only the anointed Christians will be redeemed from the earth Rev 14:1-3

Different ends as you acknowledged.

There are words in the Bible that don't mean exactly what they say.

All = doesn't mean every single human being ever.

Forever = means until the end of the world - which is the destruction at Christ's return.

Very easy to prove this.

"... the day cometh that shall burn as an oven; ..."
Mal. 4:1
"... Jesus will be revealed ... in flaming fire taking vengeance ..."
2 Thess. 1:7-8
"... the mountains quake ... the hills melt, and the earth is burned at His presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein."
Nah. 1:5
"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, ..."
2 Pet. 3:10-11
"... all the earth shall be devoured with the fire ..."
Zeph. 3:8

 

[theWind]

So you believe scripture is not supported in scripture.
It speaks for itself.

The interpretation you embrace is not supported.

What you are seeing described in Rev. 20 is describing this time now.

It is describing the time from the beginning of Christ's Church/Kingdom, which was back around the time of Matt. 28:28, when He was given ALL power and authority in heaven and earth, and the time of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit first came upon all the disciples, and the end of the world when He returns and the one and only resurrection takes place and He turns His current Kingdom over to the Father.

That's what has been so widely misinterpreted as claiming there will be this fantastical Millennium period that begins at Christ's return. It is bogus. It is heresy. It is not supported in Scripture outside of Revelation - which is what is required for a doctrine to be sound.

 

[theWind]

Of course not.
The land was promised to Abraham for an everlasting possession.
Abraham will live there forever.God didn't tell Abraham he could have it for a few years nor did he tell Abraham he would give it to him on any conditions as you claimed.

Abraham fully expected to recieve that land when he is resurrected.Abraham, Isaac and Jacob made sure they would be buried in that land for when they are resurrected and receive it. That is when they receive the promises.

There are no conditions in this verse.

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

We can play this game as long as you like. You are stubbornly refusing to move forward because you fear what that means for your case. You are still refusing to answer my question.

Again, have I proven to you yet that the Land Promises were fulfilled by God with the passage that I presented?

Yes/No?

P.S. I'm pretty sure there is a rule here that you cannot disrespectfully refuse to answer a member's direct question to you. Might want to check the rules as you may be breaking that one.

 

[theWind]

God will not always be in the third heaven as when all things are finished here on earth after the return of Christ God will make new again this present heaven and earth then He will usher down the New Jerusalem (Spiritual Kingdom of God), Rev 19:11-21; 21:1-7 . God will then be with us as the tabernacle of God is with men and He will dwell with us and we with Him forever. For now the kingdom of God is within us as we are made kings and priest of God as we reign with Christ here on earth until the seventh trumpet sounds and then the nations (kingdoms) of this world become the nations (kingdoms) of God and of Christ and He will be our God and we His people forever. Isaiah 9:7; Daniel 2:44; 7:15-28; Matthew 5:5; Luke 17:20-21; Rev 11:15

The tabernacle of God within the New Jerusalem is not that which is made by hand as neither is the New Jerusalem. When we are given spiritual bodies (glorifiedbodies) then we will see all things of God that are spiritual for in our mortal bodies we can not even perceive what the New Jerusalem will look like just as we can not even know what Christ looks like, but know we will be just like Him in our glorified bodies.

You are now doing what Shilohsfoal is doing and refusing to answer a very relevant question to the discussion.

Please answer so that we can further this discussion.

Was Moses allowed into the Promised Land?

Why not? Please explain the reason.

 

[theWind]

I happen to know the borders.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

If you're referring to Palestine, you are lost.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The interpretation you embrace is not supported.

What you are seeing described in Rev. 20 is describing this time now.

It is describing the time from the beginning of Christ's Church/Kingdom, which was back around the time of Matt. 28:28, when He was given ALL power and authority in heaven and earth, and the time of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit first came upon all the disciples, and the end of the world when He returns and the one and only resurrection takes place and He turns His current Kingdom over to the Father.

That's what has been so widely misinterpreted as claiming there will be this fantastical Millennium period that begins at Christ's return. It is bogus. It is heresy. It is not supported in Scripture outside of Revelation - which is what is required for a doctrine to be sound.

So you believe Christ has already come and resurrected the saints who did not worship the beast or recieve it's mark.

So exactly when did Christ come and resurect those saints and when did Gog compass their camp about and when did fire come down from heaven and destroyed Gog?

Do you have any dates for these things which you say already took place and is happening now?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

We can play this game as long as you like. You are stubbornly refusing to move forward because you fear what that means for your case. You are still refusing to answer my question.

Again, have I proven to you yet that the Land Promises were fulfilled by God with the passage that I presented?

Yes/No?

P.S. I'm pretty sure there is a rule here that you cannot disrespectfully refuse to answer a member's direct question to you. Might want to check the rules as you may be breaking that one.

No ,you have not proved that Abraham has received the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession.

You claimed it was taken away because it was conditional but you failed to show what condition Abraham failed at that caused the land promised to him to be taken from him.

You have not even showed where God told Abraham he would give it to him upon any conditions.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

If you're referring to Palestine, you are lost.

As I said, you are confused.

The borders of the land promised to Abraham.
There are set borders to that kingdom.
In fact,there are 5 cities in Egypt that are part of the promised land.

Isaiah 19:18
In that day five cities in Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to the LORD Almighty. One of them will be called the City of the Sun.


The more you learn about the promised land ,the more you become familiar with it's borders.
You have much to learn .

 

[for_his_glory]

And?

..... and?

Is it your understanding that there was a physical "throne" located physically somewhere within the Temple?

You might want to research the layout of the Temple and what it contained. It is fascinating and it might help you to understand some things you might have wrong in multiple beliefs about God and the Bible.

..... uhhhh, .... and?

It sounds like you're using the shotgun response to a post you have no real response to. Just throwing a bunch of random information at it because you have no answer to what was posted.

The 144, 000 is not a literal number, just as the 1,000 years is not a literal number, just as the cattle on a thousand hills is not a literal number.

Revelation is not a literal book. It contains certain select literal details, but most of it is not literal as, ... once again ..., it is a book of visions, symbols and signs. Just as the Millennium time frame is not referred to outside the book of Revelation, the 144, 000 are not referred to, and therefore supported literally, outside of that book.

No one told you to agree with me as these are my understandings of studying the scriptures and the history of Israel. Please show some respect.

 

[for_his_glory]

You are now doing what Shilohsfoal is doing and refusing to answer a very relevant question to the discussion.

Please answer so that we can further this discussion.

Was Moses allowed into the Promised Land?

Why not? Please explain the reason.

To further discuss this I told you to go back and read my post #17. I already know why Moses did not enter the promised land as you are not teaching me anything new.

 

[Edward]

No one told you to agree with me as these are my understandings of studying the scriptures and the history of Israel. Please show some respect.

Dun dun dun dunn...

I wish we could say that sometimes!

 

[for_his_glory]

You are now doing what Shilohsfoal is doing and refusing to answer a very relevant question to the discussion.

Please answer so that we can further this discussion.
, everyone have a blessed day.
Was Moses allowed into the Promised Land?

Why not? Please explain the reason.

If you would have read all my replies to this thread you will see were I stand on all of this. It's time for me to move on.

Everyone have a blessed day.

 

[theWind]

So you believe Christ has already come and resurrected the saints who did not worship the beast or recieve it's mark.

Very simple answer. No, that takes place at Christ's return, just exactly as the Bible says it does.
John 5:28
1 Cor. 15:21-23

So exactly when did Christ come and resurect those saints and when did Gog compass their camp about and when did fire come down from heaven and destroyed Gog?

You're assuming, out of misunderstanding the Bible, that it already happened.

Preterism is a very poor doctrine that has no leg to stand upon in Scripture.

Only those who are fooled, due to lack of knowledge of God's Word, or those who are intentionally leading astray, make these claims.

You'll have to quote me claiming that if that's your next, very predictable, move.

 

[theWind]

To further discuss this I told you to go back and read my post #17. I already know why Moses did not enter the promised land as you are not teaching me anything new.

Moses didn't step foot in the Promised Land because God's Promise was conditonal.

Moses didn't step foot in the Promised Land because of disobedience; he disobeyed God and the Promise was taken away from him.

Here's an article that makes some salient points on the matter:

Grace Doesn’t Free the Believers From Duty​

https://bibleask.org/are-gods-promises-and-blessings-conditional/

Israel lost their land because they were repeatedly disobedient.

The land was fully delivered by God in Joshua 21:43-45, and other passages yet to be presented to those who are refusing to cooperate in the discussion.

The land was given to them, and the land was taken away from them by God.

Period.

 

[theWind]

You have not even showed where God told Abraham he would give it to him upon any conditions.

Sometimes when we can't come to a mutual agreement, it is best to just be silent.

I know that you are working to promote your understanding on this topic, but I agree with the person who pointed this out. I think maybe it is the best solution in this situation.

Thank you for your contributions and I will continue with the thread that I started.

 

[theWind]

We know for certain that the Land Promises to Israel were completed in full long, long ago as God makes that very clear through His Prophets in His Word.

The undeniable proof is found not only in multiple passages in the book of Joshua, but also in Nehemiah.

We can rest assured that the land that is now known as Palestine was given to the people of Israel, just as God promised it would be. Unfortunately, they lost that land, very sadly, due to their repeated disobedience to God.

According to the Scriptures, there is no land that is currently promised to Israel. It has all been fulfilled and it was not well taken care of long ago. That land was taken away from them by God and is no longer their heritage.