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The Law, works and keeping his comandments

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josefnospam

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The law and your work........."For as many as are under the works of the law are under the curse:............" Gal. 3:10

Christ and the law..........".Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law...."
Gal. 3:13

Keeping his commandments..........." And this is HIS commandment that we should believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ AND love one another........"
1st John 13:23

ALL you have to do is BELIEVE only in Jesus Christ and love the brethren.
His chosen people can and will rejoice in him alone and love the brethren who also embrace these precious truths. We also will tell the rest of the world about their need of this Great Saviour.

The rest of the Laws, the ten commandments and the Laws of Moses are our teacher to show us how bad we are. But we his people are no longer under the Law and the curse that goes with it. We are under the Grace and mercy of our Great God. We are all sinners but the price of our sins (death) are covered and paid for by his blood.

BEFORE and AFTER...........But before faith came we were kept UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified....................BEFORE

But after that faith is come we are no longer under a school master...............AFTER Gal. 3:23 thru 25.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law but under grace. ...Romans 6:14 How precious is his word and truth to his chosen people.

Give God ALL the honor and praise now and forever. His name is Jesus Christ the risen Saviour and Lord of all.
 
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is He who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. 1 John 5:1-8
 
josefnospam said:
The law and your work........."For as many as are under the works of the law are under the curse:............" Gal. 3:10

Christ and the law..........".Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law...."
Gal. 3:13

Keeping his commandments..........." And this is HIS commandment that we should believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ AND love one another........"
1st John 13:23

ALL you have to do is BELIEVE only in Jesus Christ and love the brethren.
His chosen people can and will rejoice in him alone and love the brethren who also embrace these precious truths. We also will tell the rest of the world about their need of this Great Saviour.

The rest of the Laws, the ten commandments and the Laws of Moses are our teacher to show us how bad we are. But we his people are no longer under the Law and the curse that goes with it. We are under the Grace and mercy of our Great God. We are all sinners but the price of our sins (death) are covered and paid for by his blood.

BEFORE and AFTER...........But before faith came we were kept UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified....................BEFORE

But after that faith is come we are no longer under a school master...............AFTER Gal. 3:23 thru 25.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law but under grace. ...Romans 6:14 How precious is his word and truth to his chosen people.

Give God ALL the honor and praise now and forever. His name is Jesus Christ the risen Saviour and Lord of all.
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What you say about the New Testament believer not being under the law is important: Romans 6.14; Galatians 5.18.

Blessings.
 
This is good news because I was getting pretty tired of 'do not covet', 'do not commit adultery', and 'do not steal', and all the other commandments.
 
From what I recently learned the law that is being spoken is of the Old Testament of the Old Covenant. It is those laws that God gave to the Children of Israel who we also know as the Jews or the Ancient Hebrews. These that the New Testament defines it as the Law we are not bound by the Laws of the Old Covenant.

When Jesus died on the cross He became the sacrifice that we would no longer be bound by the Old Covenant and of the old laws of the Old Testament as it was with the Hebrews the Israelites.

However these verses that say we are saved by Grace does not mean we are without laws to abide by. Some will take this out of context meaning only by grace we are saved to by no laws are to follow since all laws were replaced by sufficient Grace. Rather it was to be known that we were no longer to be serving the Old Covenant of the laws but those laws we now are commanded in the New Covenant to follow. The old law for example God did not allow unclean animals to be eaten. Today we observe the law that all food is clean that the sin not the food makes one unclean or not. Please don’t let the saved by grace Gospel makes one feel I can drink on the weekends. They say I’m saved by grace but not by law. Therefore I need not to be obedient to the Lord which has passed away under Grace. People long ago said let us sin. For if we sin then grace will abound greater than our sins. Purposely then they sinned expecting grace to abound.

The New Testament has to be taken as a whole. Sure you saved by grace but we still have laws and commandments to follow. We are not saved by words but Faith is dead without works.

Our obedience to the Lord shows our Faith until God which then we receive the grace of God we have not perfectly fulfilled all righteousness. We work not because we will get saved it is because if we are servants of God a servant works. If we don’t work then we are not servants.

The rule is don’t let the grace gospel let one slide into great sin nor let the Christian of works to become idle because then we say I sat there and I watched TV all day and everyday. I did nothing at all. Everyone served me and did nothing at all. But look all I was saved by grace. I needed not to show anything to prove my Faith to God since grace alone saves. We can’t perfectly be obedient. For there is no one God no one can do the perfect works except God Himself. We ourselves abiding any laws by that can’t be saved by any works. We can’t be saved but by the grace of God who is perfect in all things saves by grace. Every person who wants salvation needs the grace of God.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
This is good news because I was getting pretty tired of 'do not covet', 'do not commit adultery', and 'do not steal', and all the other commandments.
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If you serve Christ, then you will love God, and love others as yourself. As a consequence you won't be preoccupied with coveting, or adultering, or stealing. If you serve the Ten Commandments then you will by definition be preoccupied with them, and naturally where they end, exactly where the boundaries are, their solidity, possible exceptions, what lies beyond, why it's forbidden.

Mat 5:27 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.​

Grace changes the heart.
 
Sinthesis said:
Jethro Bodine said:
This is good news because I was getting pretty tired of 'do not covet', 'do not commit adultery', and 'do not steal', and all the other commandments.
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If you serve Christ, then you will love God, and love others as yourself. As a consequence you won't be preoccupied with coveting, or adultering, or stealing. If you serve the Ten Commandments then you will by definition be preoccupied with them, and naturally where they end, exactly where the boundaries are, their solidity, possible exceptions, what lies beyond, why it's forbidden.

Mat 5:27 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.​

Grace changes the heart.
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So then I still am 'under the law', keeping it's requirements(?)
 
This law stuff... Legalism grace back and forth.. .Doesn't Grace put the law in our hearts isnt the difference more down the lines of why / Why we do not murder. Why we dont have other gods.
 
I'm wondering what Romans 6.14 and Galatians 5.18 mean, if in fact the New Testament believer is still under the law rather than under grace.

Blessings.
 
What did under the law mean back then ? Can we today understand what it meant to those folks? and what does under the law men today? IS it the difference of the Love of God being a light shinning through us that is no longer a burden because of grace.?
 
farouk said:
I'm wondering what Romans 6.14 and Galatians 5.18 mean, if in fact the New Testament believer is still under the law rather than under grace.

Blessings.
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What does being 'under the law' mean to you?

If it means we don't have to follow the requirements of the law anymore you are terribly wrong, and not alone in that error. Many, many Christians think not being under the law means we don't have to obey it anymore.

What we are no longer 'under' is the authority of the law to 1) keep us in bondage to the corrupt desires of the flesh (because flesh has died with Christ), and 2) condemn us without remedy when we do fail (because Christ's death forgives what the law could not forgive).

Grace ends the bondage of the flesh, and therefore, the power of the law to enforce that bondage. And grace provides the forgiveness of sin the law could not provide. Neither of these means we are somehow relieved of our responsibility to uphold the requirements of the law. But that is how grace is taught in the church these days. In effect, it is taught as a license to sin with impunity.
 
reba said:
What did under the law mean back then ? Can we today understand what it meant to those folks? and what does under the law men today? IS it the difference of the Love of God being a light shinning through us that is no longer a burden because of grace.?
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The 'why we do' has changed, but the 'what we do' has not.

From there we examine what remains to be literally fulfilled by us, and what does not. But one way or another (literally, or spiritually) all the requirements of the law are fulfilled in this New Covenant, not abolished.

Christ himself said he did not come to abolish the law, but that is exactly what is taught in the church today, that Christ abolished the law, meaning we don't have to keep it anymore. What got 'abolished' was the authority of the law (to hold us in the bondage of sin and condemnation), not the requirements of the law. They continue to get fulfilled in one way or another, either literally, or spiritually.

It hurts to see 'grace' being misunderstood in the church to mean a release from the requirements of the law, instead of 'grace' being properly understood as the power to uphold the requirements of the law.
 
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Granny thanks you Jethro... :) i was hoping some one would get what i was trying to say... heps ta be kin folk :)
 
Jethro Bodine said:
instead of 'grace' being properly understood as the power to uphold the requirements of the law.
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What law?

Moses Law?

The Law of faith?

The Law of sin and death?

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Romans 3:27


...instead of 'grace' being properly understood as the power to uphold the requirements of the law of faith.


JLB
 
JLB said:
Jethro Bodine said:
instead of 'grace' being properly understood as the power to uphold the requirements of the law.
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What law?

Moses Law?

The Law of faith?

The Law of sin and death?

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Romans 3:27


...instead of 'grace' being properly understood as the power to uphold the requirements of the law of faith.


JLB
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Read the context. The law of Moses ended in regard to justification (as if it could really justify anyone anyway). That is what Paul is talking about when he talks about the 'law' of faith. He even says in that passage that we don't nullify works of the law by this 'law' of faith that justifies. We uphold it.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. (Romans 3:27-31 NASB)

'Apart from works of the law' does not mean that those works can now go unfulfilled as is popularly taught in our churches these days. It means a person is justified apart from the works of the law. As we see, Paul makes the point that 'apart from the law' does NOT mean we are somehow excused from the fulfillment of the law. But that is exactly what we teach in the church. Jesus himself said he did NOT come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17 NASB). But the doctrine of the church says he did abolish it.

I know it gets complicated from here because some swing completely the other way and insist that the law that Jesus came to fulfill not abolish means the fulfillment continues absolutely literal in all aspects. The rest of scripture shows us this simply is not true.
 
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JLB,

Paul explains more about this 'end of the law'--the end of the law to be declared righteous--in Romans 10.

"3...they (the Israelites) did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the culmination (the end) of the law (for justification) so that there may be righteousness (justification) for everyone who believes (as opposed to doing works of the law). 5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”

6 But the righteousness that is by faith says...9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. " (Romans 10:3-5,9-10 NASB)

He's not saying the requirements of the law ended. He's saying justification by works of the law ended. He's contrasting the way of the law for righteousness with the way of faith to be declared righteous. The law of Moses did certainly 'end' in that regard. But the requirements of the law themselves continue to be upheld, in either a literal or a spiritual fulfillment, by the faith that justifies.
 
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Jethro Bodine said:
JLB said:
Jethro Bodine said:
instead of 'grace' being properly understood as the power to uphold the requirements of the law.
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What law?

Moses Law?

The Law of faith?

The Law of sin and death?

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Romans 3:27


...instead of 'grace' being properly understood as the power to uphold the requirements of the law of faith.


JLB
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Read the context. The law of Moses ended in regard to justification (as if it could really justify anyone anyway). That is what Paul is talking about when he talks about the 'law' of faith. He even says in that passage that we don't nullify works of the law by this 'law' of faith that justifies. We uphold it.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. (Romans 3:27-31 NASB)

'Apart from works of the law' does not mean that those works can now go unfulfilled as is popularly taught in our churches these days. It means a person is justified apart from the works of the law. As we see, Paul makes the point that 'apart from the law' does NOT mean we are somehow excused from the fulfillment of the law. But that is exactly what we teach in the church. Jesus himself said he did NOT come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17 NASB). But the doctrine of the church says he did abolish it.

I know it gets complicated from here because some swing completely the other way and insist that the law that Jesus came to fulfill not abolish means the fulfillment continues absolutely literal in all aspects. The rest of scripture shows us this simply is not true.
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Let's uncomplicate it.

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:21-25


Show me where in these verse's where the Law of Moses comes in to play.

The Law of Moses plays no part in Salvation.

The Law of Moses plays no part in Righteousness.

The Law of Moses plays no part in Justification.

The Law of Moses plays no part in being filled with the Holy Spirit.


Let's uncomplicate the whole thing and find out what the law of Moses has to do with us.

Let's just check off all the things that the law of Moses does not have to do with, THEN let's talk about the only thing that the law DOES have to do with.


JLB




 
josefnospam said:
The law and your work........."For as many as are under the works of the law are under the curse:............" Gal. 3:10

Christ and the law..........".Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law...."
Gal. 3:13

Keeping his commandments..........." And this is HIS commandment that we should believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ AND love one another........"
1st John 13:23

ALL you have to do is BELIEVE only in Jesus Christ and love the brethren.
His chosen people can and will rejoice in him alone and love the brethren who also embrace these precious truths. We also will tell the rest of the world about their need of this Great Saviour.

The rest of the Laws, the ten commandments and the Laws of Moses are our teacher to show us how bad we are. But we his people are no longer under the Law and the curse that goes with it. We are under the Grace and mercy of our Great God. We are all sinners but the price of our sins (death) are covered and paid for by his blood.

BEFORE and AFTER...........But before faith came we were kept UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified....................BEFORE

But after that faith is come we are no longer under a school master...............AFTER Gal. 3:23 thru 25.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law but under grace. ...Romans 6:14 How precious is his word and truth to his chosen people.

Give God ALL the honor and praise now and forever. His name is Jesus Christ the risen Saviour and Lord of all.
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The passages you quoted refer to the Mosaic Law. The Gentiles were not under the Mosaic Law. However to say those under the New Covenant are not under law is not correct. God Himself said there are laws.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. (Jer 31:31-34 KJV)

KJV Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. (Gal 6:1-2 KJV)

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty (Jam 2:11-12 KJV
 
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