The Man Child / The Very Elect

[whirlwind]

Mark 9:31-32 For He taught His disciples, and said unto them, "The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill Him; and after that He is killed, He shall rise the third day." But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask Him.


Notice that it was Jesus speaking and yet He didn't say, I will be delivered, or, they shall kill Me, or, after I am killed, I shall rise. Of course it was Him that was delivered, killed and rose the third day but....is more being taught here?


9:33-36 And He came to Capernaum: and being in the house He asked them, "What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?" But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest. And He sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, "If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all." And He took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when He had taken him in His arms, He said unto them. "Whosoever shall receive one of such children in My name, receiveth Me: and whosoever shall receive Me, receiveth not Me, but Him That sent Me."

any Man...a Child....such Children.

He sat down.......Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; [Hebrews 1:3]

He called the twelve...... twelve signifying perfection of government, so the twelve disciples are symbolic of all those Jesus calls as His elect. Of the elect He "took a child and set him in the midst, saying "If any man" was to be first then he "shall be last of all and servant of all."

John 12:25-26 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there shall also My servant be: if any man serve Me, him will My Father honour.

Jesus is not just teaching the disciples (His witnesses) what will soon happen to Him....it is a lesson for His elect, for His "very elect," the man child, at the end of this age.

 

[whirlwind]

Part 2.......


In the same book of Mark, Jesus repeated the same lesson, (a second witness), in the following chapter.....

Mark 10:31-34 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first." And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And He took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto Him. Saying, "Behold we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn Him to death, and shall deliver Him to the Gentiles: And they shall mock Him, and shall scourge Him, and shall spit upon Him, and shall kill Him: and the third day He shall rise again."

Again....Jesus is speaking about His death and yet instead of saying I shall be condemned and I shall be delivered and I shall be scourged and I shall be spit upon and I shall be killed and I shall rise again...He uses the peculiar phrasing of He shall rise, scourge Him, spit on Him.....


The "him" and "he" is the man child of [Revelation 12:5] and the man child is not one individual. As the two witnesses are more than two...the manchild is more than one and they shall follow in the footsteps of our Savior.

In the above Scriptures, it is written...."they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. This is teaching of the future as well as the path Jesus took for us. "Jesus went before" the man child...showing the way....and they will follow even though they will be afraid. The way to where? They are "going up to Jerusalem."

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto Him, "Lord, whither goest Thou?" Jesus answered him, "Whither I go, thou canst not follow Me now; but thou shalt follow Me afterwards."

10:35-38 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto Him, saying, "Master, we would that Thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire." And He said unto them, "What would ye that I should do for you?" They said unto Him, "Grant unto us that we may sit, one on Thy right hand, and the other on Thy left hand, in Thy glory." But Jesus said unto them, "Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?"

10:39-40 And they said unto Him, "We can." And Jesus said unto them, "Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: But to sit on My right hand and on My left hand is not Mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared."


In the thread....The "Sons of Thunder" I wrote about James and John....sons of Zebedee, in which it is shown they were types for the man child. All the disciples are types for the two witnesses and yet only part of that group were/are set apart to be the man child. Our Savior is teaching us the destiny of a select group of believers that truly follow Him....in every way. If he is the first, (firstfruit), he shall be "servant of all."


Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."

The many called are His witnesses but the chosen few are the very elect, the man child. There is an unforgiveable sin and I believe it is only the man child that can commit it.

 

[whirlwind]

Part 3......

Revelation 12:4-5 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.

The tail of the dragon is "the prophet that teacheth lies."

Isaiah 9:14-16 Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day. The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. For the leaders of this People cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

[quote:h2t1m9bt]Revelation 16:13-14 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God the Almighty.

Revelation 13:13-14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Those false prophets, false Christians...the tail of the dragon, stand before the woman NOW teaching, seducing, tempting...trying to "devour her child as it was born." Does that mean born of blood, of flesh, or of man? No.....

John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

Those not born of His spirit "cannot see the kingdom of God," but, "unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God." [Mark 4:11] What is that mystery?

Luke 17:20-21 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, 'Lo, here!' or, 'lo there!' for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

His kingdom is WITHIN US. Others, not born of His spirit, can't see this...can't understand this.


When the man child is born of the Spirit, of God, then....the "tail of the dragon" tries to devour (him/them). He stands in the pulpit, appears in books, teaches on television...."it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them." [Revelation 13:7] The false teachers battle with the saints because...they already have the others. We may begin in that place but there is a time we are called to leave....

Galatians 4:1-2 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differing nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the Father. (19) My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

The "heir," the "child," the man child is under tutors and then....The Father calls. Who teaches then?


John 14:26 But the Comforter, Which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (28) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.


Christ is "formed in us," and "comes again unto" us! He speaks to us through His Word and through His Word He "foretold you all things." [Mark13:23]


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (19-21) Yet a little while, and the world seeth Me no more; but ye see Me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you. He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him."


The world cannot receive Him or see Him in us but....He abides in us, He dwells in us and we in Him, we know Him, and......He will manifest Himself to us, in all of us!


Matthew 24:27 For as the lightening (shining) cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

That is Christ manifesting Himself in His believers....from the east to the west.

 

[Cornelius]

Good study WW.

The man child teaching is not taught in many churches and on forums its mostly ignored, because people do not know what it means. The man child in Rev 12 is the new leadership of the church , that takes her through the tribulation. Its a remnant at first, and then that anointing gets carried over to the church or Bride.

The man child appears in many, many Old Testament types and shadow. Moses was a type of man child, so was Joseph, David, Samuel, Joshua, and many of the Prophets. Interesting thing about Moses, is that his name means " Taken from the water" and the man child is also "taken from the Water" The man child manifests the Word/Christ , so they are "from the Water" as the water represents the Word.

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We also see the man child in the book of Esther in Mordecai . In fact, we can see the book of Revelation in the book of Esther.

Jesus Himself was also a Man Child, and in the end times He will be the Man Child IN his people (remnant)(first fruits) We see the man child in Rev 14:4 (144.............144000) Jesus was called a "sign" in Luke. He was the sign that pointed to the last Man Child in the end times: Christ in us, the hope of glory.

Luk 2:34 and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the falling and the rising of many in Israel; and for a sign which is spoken against;

Another interesting thing is that the virgin birth is also called a "sign" in the old testament, because the church is now the "virgin" and she is with Child too. She is about to give birth (John 16) to the manifestation of the sons of God:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel, (God with us) is also pointing to "Christ in us" Once we start seeing this, the Bible opens up to this amazing revelation.

 

[whirlwind]

Good study WW.

The man child teaching is not taught in many churches and on forums its mostly ignored, because people do not know what it means. The man child in Rev 12 is the new leadership of the church , that takes her through the tribulation. Its a remnant at first, and then that anointing gets carried over to the church or Bride.

The man child appears in many, many Old Testament types and shadow. Moses was a type of man child, so was Joseph, David, Samuel, Joshua, and many of the Prophets. Interesting thing about Moses, is that his name means " Taken from the water" and the man child is also "taken from the Water" The man child manifests the Word/Christ , so they are "from the Water" as the water represents the Word.

H4872
מש×Â×â€
môsheh
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From H4871; drawing out (of the water), that is, rescued; Mosheh, the Israelitish lawgiver: - Moses.



We also see the man child in the book of Esther in Mordecai . In fact, we can see the book of Revelation in the book of Esther.

Jesus Himself was also a Man Child, and in the end times He will be the Man Child IN his people (remnant)(first fruits) We see the man child in Rev 14:4 (144.............144000) Jesus was called a "sign" in Luke. He was the sign that pointed to the last Man Child in the end times: Christ in us, the hope of glory.

I am so glad you have replied to this C....thank you! And, thank you for the information about Moses, water and Jesus....very interesting. :yes

It's a funny thing about the 14:4, 144,000. Those are the very numbers that I began to see EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME. They are what made me begin to search for Him. When I finally found an explanation and realized others were going through the same process....I literally cried. There was such relief. Now I continue to see the numbers and they are such a comfort. The latest one was this past Wednesday. I had to go through a procedure at the hospital and it was necessary to be anesthetized. Of course I was a little nervous but the last thing I saw before going under was my blood pressure reading.....141. I went under with a smile.

As you have pointed out....those same numbers, 1 & 4, in different combinations, are almost always related to the elect in Bible verses. I know chapter and verse were added later but....God had a hand in it.

Luk 2:34 and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the falling and the rising of many in Israel; and for a sign which is spoken against;

Another interesting thing is that the virgin birth is also called a "sign" in the old testament, because the church is now the "virgin" and she is with Child too. She is about to give birth (John 16) to the manifestation of the sons of God:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Immanuel, (God with us) is also pointing to "Christ in us" Once we start seeing this, the Bible opens up to this amazing revelation.

I agree. I realized not long ago the answer to a question I have had for some time.....


Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Until learning about the man child (and I thank you for that :D ) the "sign" didn't make sense to me. I heard explanations but they never rang true. Now I know. :eyebrow

Yes C....The bible opens up. When I began to quote the verses about Him in us, dwelling in us, manifesting to us, the kingdom being here and now......my heart swelled. To really comprehend that is, (I hate to use this overused word...but) AWESOME.

 

[Cornelius]

I am blessed by your post

This morning I thought about Joseph and how he is a type of man child and a type of Jesus. (They obviously share the same types, because they are the same. The man child is just Jesus IN us )

Joseph was betrayed by his brothers. Jesus was betrayed by his "brother" and also the brothers in the Hebrew faith. The man child will be betrayed by the false prophet/Harlot church.

Joseph had a coat of many colors, pointing to the attributes of Christ Jesus. (clothing in the Bible always speak about the works of righteousness/holiness or lack of it ) The man child obviously followed this advice:Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me.......white garments,..............

Jacob was told that a beast killed Joseph. Jesus was killed by the "beast" of His day, the Harlot religion of that time. The man child will be persecuted by the Beast of our day.

Joseph went down into prison for resisting the harlot . Jesus went down into the grave for resisting the Harlot. But now we see something interesting happening. Here the type splits and Joseph does not come out after "three years" (three days") as Jesus did.

Look, here is the "three days " clue that I will explain in a minute:Gen 40:12 And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: the three branches are three days;
Gen 40:13 within yet three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head, and restore thee unto thine office: and thou shalt give Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler.

Jesus preached in the grave for the three days. Some stayed in Hades while others left with Him. Joseph in type, "preached" to the cup bearer and the baker. One lived and the other one died.But now they forget Joseph and he does not come out of the prison/grave like Jesus after three days, he stays another two years.

Gen 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river.

Now here is the revelation of the man child after TWO YEARS ( 2000 years after Jesus) the story of the man child unfolds. That again, brings us to our time !

 

[Cornelius]

Very interesting, Pharaoh dreams two dreams (meaning the dreams WILL come to pass) Both dreams are types of the great tribulation. (seven years) We have just finished our seven fat years, before the economic meltdown worldwide .

Gen 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river.
Gen 41:2 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, well-favored and fat-fleshed; and they fed in the reed-grass.
Gen 41:3 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them out of the river, ill-favored and lean-fleshed, and stood by the other kine upon the brink of the river.
Gen 41:4 And the ill-favored and lean-fleshed kine did eat up the seven well-favored and fat kine. So Pharaoh awoke.
Gen 41:5 And he slept and dreamed a second time: and, behold, seven ears of grain came up upon one stalk, rank and good.
Gen 41:6 And, behold, seven ears, thin and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them.
Gen 41:7 And the thin ears swallowed up the seven rank and full ears. And Pharaoh awoke, and, behold, it was a dream.

Gen 41:29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:
Gen 41:30 and there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land;
Gen 41:31 and the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine which followeth; for it shall be very grievous.

But now the man child type carries on.

Notice that in the story, Pharaoh gets to be God and Egypt is His Kingdom. Joseph the man child, gets to rule second in charge in the Kingdom. He shares the throne of the Kingdom.

Gen 41:38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this, a man in whom the spirit of God is? (Christ in us , the hope of glory )
Gen 41:39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all of this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou: (Mind of Christ)
Gen 41:40 thou shalt be over my house,(Church ) and according unto thy word (The man childs word is the Word of God: in their mouth was found no lie . Rev 14 ) shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.(Rev 3:21 He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.)
Gen 41:41 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.
Gen 41:42 And Pharaoh took off his signet ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;
Gen 41:43 and he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he set him over all the land of Egypt.( Rev 12:5 And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. )

 

[whirlwind]

I am blessed by your post

This morning I thought about Joseph and how he is a type of man child and a type of Jesus. (They obviously share the same types, because they are the same. The man child is just Jesus IN us )

Joseph was betrayed by his brothers. Jesus was betrayed by his "brother" and also the brothers in the Hebrew faith. The man child will be betrayed by the false prophet/Harlot church.

A few months ago I wrote a thread which raised the question....as Judas betrayed Jesus, so shall the man child be betrayed. Who will be the Judas of end times? As Jesus was betrayed by His brother to the harlot, will there be individuals betraying the man child to the harlot church? As there are the "two witnesses" there are also two false witnesses....

Matthew 26:59-60 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put Him to death; But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses.

The man child(ren) will be, must be, delivered "to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them." [Mark 13:9] As they sought to "put Him to death," so shall they with the man child....."and shall cause them to be put to death." [Mark 13:12] And...it is their family that betrays them...."Now the brother shall betray the brother to death." Our families and brothers in Christ are the betrayers...they are Judas!

Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. [Luke 23:34]

Joseph had a coat of many colors, pointing to the attributes of Christ Jesus. (clothing in the Bible always speak about the works of righteousness/holiness or lack of it ) The man child obviously followed this advice:Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me.......white garments,..............

Jacob was told that a beast killed Joseph. Jesus was killed by the "beast" of His day, the Harlot religion of that time. The man child will be persecuted by the Beast of our day.

Joseph went down into prison for resisting the harlot . Jesus went down into the grave for resisting the Harlot. But now we see something interesting happening. Here the type splits and Joseph does not come out after "three years" (three days") as Jesus did.

Look, here is the "three days " clue that I will explain in a minute:Gen 40:12 And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: the three branches are three days;
Gen 40:13 within yet three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head, and restore thee unto thine office: and thou shalt give Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler.

Jesus preached in the grave for the three days. Some stayed in Hades while others left with Him. Joseph in type, "preached" to the cup bearer and the baker. One lived and the other one died.But now they forget Joseph and he does not come out of the prison/grave like Jesus after three days, he stays another two years.

The cup bearer lives...."Ye shall drink indeed of My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with." [Matthew 20:23]

Gen 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river.

Now here is the revelation of the man child after TWO YEARS ( 2000 years after Jesus) the story of the man child unfolds. That again, brings us to our time !

Was the "man child" taught before this time C? Or did it begin to unfold "2000 years after Jesus?" Notice that the verse you chose about the unfolding of the man child is....41:1.

I am blessed by your posts too C and look forward to the one following in which you went into greater detail about the dreams. I hope I have time to spend with it later but may not....it is a very special day for my daughter and her family, who have been living twelve hours away, in McAllen, Texas....are moving back today! :D Lots of cooking going on getting ready for the grandkids. It's a happy day. Please say a prayer for them on their journey. They must travel through Houston and my sixteen year old grandson is driving his own car. :o I'm thankful they're driving on Sunday as the traffic won't be as bad.

 

[Cornelius]

Was the "man child" taught before this time C? Or did it begin to unfold "2000 years after Jesus?" Notice that the verse you chose about the unfolding of the man child is....41:1.

I agree in prayer with you, for the safety of your family.


Interesting question. The man child is actually one of the main themes of the Bible, once you see it. The manifestation of Christ in His people, the body of Christ. Its the reason why Jesus came . Was it taught before our time? I know of writings in the 1600s that speak about it, but its not a main line teaching in the church of today. But then, if we are honest about it, the church went into apostasy soon after Jesus . The Dark Ages (very dark spiritually) followed and we are still busy getting out of it. Secular church history tells us all. But I believe that God has always kept the truth alive through a small section of believers.

 

[MMarc]

Hey guys.
WW you mention:

A few months ago I wrote a thread which raised the question....as Judas betrayed Jesus, so shall the man child be betrayed. Who will be the Judas of end times? As Jesus was betrayed by His brother to the harlot, will there be individuals betraying the man child to the harlot church? As there are the "two witnesses" there are also two false witnesses....

I believe the end time Judas, is also a body of people, those who sell Jesus for profiteering, like we see today through many evangelists.

And C
you mention

Another interesting thing is that the virgin birth is also called a "sign" in the old testament, because the church is now the "virgin" and she is with Child too. She is about to give birth (John 16) to the manifestation of the sons of God:

I believe the church is the bride of Christ. But the woman of Rev 12 who stands of the moon, I believe is Jerusalem that is above "the mother of us all" like Paul mentions.

In Gen. 37 Joseph has a dream a pattern of the future that the Father will put all authority under the feet of Jesus in the day of the Lord.

“Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me.â€Â
10 So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?â€Â

You see here that the moon represents his mother. The man child is also born of spiritual waters or spririt. It's like the heavens are pregnant... And when the time came the waters broke and She gave birth to the man/child. Born of water (man) and born of Spirit (child of God, manifested sons of God).

Born from the waters below the firmament then born from waters above the firmament...

Also note as for the "day" of the Lord.

The sun represents the solar calendar 365 days, the lunar calendar represents 354.4 days. the earth stands between the too as a prophetic year lasts 360 days...

Jesus fulfills the time of the Jews,(moon based calendar) so the time of the gentiles may begin (solar based calendar). Jesus fulfills the time of the gentiles, so that the time of the Lord may begin...

Although I know the manchild is the company of elect, I also believe Jesus is part of that group as an individual as well. It's not one or the other but one AND the other.

1 Cor 15
3 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

Jesus had to be the first born of heaven on earth (spiritual birth) then he must fulfill the fall feasts so that others may also be born from above like He was. Like the first time Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts and triggered the resurrection of the OT saints. Likewise this time it's like they resurrect on earth from above.

As we are born from above, the spirit of the saints in heaven are born from below. so it not just what comes down (water) but who comes down (new wine)... In this 3rd day from the wedding as Jesus turned the water into wine...

The stars in Joseph's dream foreshadow the twelve tribes if you will, the 144 000 and Joseph (Jesus delivers them later on). As they follow Jesus in the coming from Heaven.

So for me Jesus if the first born manchild and later on the woman gives birth the the "rest of her seed"
with whom Satan goes after... After he is cast out of heaven.

 

[Cornelius]

Thanks Marc, yes I have heard that view before.

The simplest way that I can describe the man child ministry, is that it will be those of us , who first manifest Christ. That is why they are called "first fruits", (the Fruit is Christ) Christ is in you for a reason. If you are feeding your inner man with the Word, He will grow. Christ will manifest in you more and more. It is prophesied that in the last days, Christ will fully manifest in some Christians

blessings
C

 

[whirlwind]

Very interesting, Pharaoh dreams two dreams (meaning the dreams WILL come to pass) Both dreams are types of the great tribulation. (seven years) We have just finished our seven fat years, before the economic meltdown worldwide .

Gen 41:41 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.
Gen 41:42 And Pharaoh took off his signet ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;
Gen 41:43 and he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he set him over all the land of Egypt.( Rev 12:5 And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. )

Your quote of "rod of iron" is what allowed me to see the man child teaching. It is odd but, as you stated, the teaching is one of the main themes of the Bible but seldom taught and not understood.


Before I continue with other thoughts in this study I wanted to mention some interesting information about the Pharaoh since you have brought him forward. The Pharaoh in the above scriptures was the good guy whereas the others to come after him were types for Satan.

Near Goshen are records of people other than Egyptians. They were of lower Egypt and inscriptions found on ancient documents show them to be Shemitic people....not Egyptian as far as race but by geological location. The Pharaoh Joseph was under was a Hyksos king, also termed...Shepherd Kings.

They were in Egypt (1850-1550 BC) and moved about freely. They held Egypt for 511 years and ruled for 100 years with peace and prosperity. They introduced the compound bow, bronze working, horse and chariot and the battering ram. They also introduced a new breed of cattle, new vegetables and fruits, improved linen and pottery and an improved vertical loom and pottery wheel.

Some say Shepherd Kings is a mistranslation for the Egyptian race will not raise cattle. However, this points to them not being Egyptian by race. They were allies of the Amorites and Hurrians. They worshipped one God - Set/Seth. They were Shemitic (of Noah) and therefore were Adamic. Joseph ruled under one of these kings and married a daughter of Potiphorah, a priest of those same people.

Those are some of the things I gathered about the rulers of Joseph's time. The part about them being shepherds was interesting in that it shows us they weren't Egyptian as it was an abomination for an Egyptian to handle sheep. Joseph's Pharaoah said....

Genesis 47:5-6 And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, "Thy father and thy brethren are come unto thee: The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make the rulers over my cattle."

Then it changed for....

Exodus 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation. (8) Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph. (11) Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens...

 

[nadab]

At Revelation 12, "the man child" spoken of there is not, as some have contended, Jesus. The book of Revelation was written in "signs", for Revelation 1:1 says that Jesus Christ "sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John." Thus, throughout the book of Revelation is symbolisms. The "woman" spoken of there is not literal, for she is seen in heaven as a "great sign", and is "a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars; and she was the child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered."(Rev 12:1,2, American Standard Version)

A great fiery-colored dragon, "with seven heads and ten horns and upon its heads seven diadems" attempts to destroy her "child, and "its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, that, when she did give birth, it might devour her child."(Rev 12:3) This "woman" is first spoken of at Genesis 3:15, for immediately following Adam's rebellion in the Garden of Eden, God prophetically told the "serpent": "And I will put enmity (or hatred) between (you - the serpent who is Satan) and the woman and between (your) seed and her seed. It shall bruise (you) in the head and (you) shalt bruise his heel.â€Â(Webster's Bible)

The "woman" in Genesis 3:15 was not Eve, who proved disobedient, but rather is the same symbolic "woman" at Revelation 12, seen some 4000 years later and is also spoken of as the "Jerusalem above".(Gal 4:26) This "woman" is the heavenly organization of faithful spirit creatures, angels, that God views as a beloved wife bonded with him as Husband. Thus, the "woman", God's heavenly organization of loyal angels, gave "birth" to something that finally came into existence at God's appointed time. What though ?

Jesus, as God's firstborn Son (Col 1:15), existed even before the other angels and the universe came to be a reality, for he was the one God used as his "master worker" (Prov 8:30) to create all the other angels and the universe. He is the "beginning of the creation of God".(Rev 3:14, King James Bible) Hence, he did not come to life during the "Lord's day" that the book of Revelation covers in symbolic format. Something new, something that did not exist before the "Lord's day", our time period since 1914. What finally came to "birth"? God's kingdom, the "male child" of the "woman".

This heavenly government went into operation with Jesus being enthroned as it's king. Psalms 2 says of this event: "He that dwelleth in the heavens shall laugh, (Jehovah) shall have (the nations) in derision. Then will he speak to them in his anger, and in his fierce displeasure will he terrify them: And I have anointed my king upon Zion, (my holy mountain). I will declare the decree: Jehovah hath said unto me, (You are) my Son; I this day have begotten (you).â€Â(Ps 2:4-7, Darby's Bible) With Jesus now sitting on Jehovah's "holy mountain", the "male child" or God's kingdom, was "born".

God's kingdom, the "male child", is therefore not "within" each of us, for Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, his enemies at Luke 17:20, 21. In no way could God's kingdom be "within" them, for these hated and opposed Jesus. Rather, Jesus as king-designate, was "in their midst". Many Bibles recognize that the Greek word entos means not only "within" (KJV, NKJV, ASV, NIV), but also "in your midst" (Montgomery New Testament, Darby's Bible, NASB, NWT) or "among you"(International Standard Version, NAB, NRSV, NLT). God's kingdom is an operational government that consists of 144,000 holy ones (Rev 7:4; 14:1) along with Jesus Christ, who serve as "kings and priests".(Rev 1:6; 5:9, 10)

 

[whirlwind]

God's kingdom, the "male child", is therefore not "within" each of us, for Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, his enemies at Luke 17:20, 21. In no way could God's kingdom be "within" them, for these hated and opposed Jesus. Rather, Jesus as king-designate, was "in their midst". Many Bibles recognize that the Greek word entos means not only "within" (KJV, NKJV, ASV, NIV), but also "in your midst" (Montgomery New Testament, Darby's Bible, NASB, NWT) or "among you"(International Standard Version, NAB, NRSV, NLT). God's kingdom is an operational government that consists of 144,000 holy ones (Rev 7:4; 14:1) along with Jesus Christ, who serve as "kings and priests".(Rev 1:6; 5:9, 10)

That is an interesting distinction Nadab. And, I see what you are saying. He was speaking to the Pharisees. However, what of the following.....


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (19-21) Yet a little while, and the world seeth Me no more; but ye see Me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you. He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him."

 

[nadab]

God's kingdom, the "male child", is therefore not "within" each of us, for Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees, his enemies at Luke 17:20, 21. In no way could God's kingdom be "within" them, for these hated and opposed Jesus. Rather, Jesus as king-designate, was "in their midst". Many Bibles recognize that the Greek word entos means not only "within" (KJV, NKJV, ASV, NIV), but also "in your midst" (Montgomery New Testament, Darby's Bible, NASB, NWT) or "among you"(International Standard Version, NAB, NRSV, NLT). God's kingdom is an operational government that consists of 144,000 holy ones (Rev 7:4; 14:1) along with Jesus Christ, who serve as "kings and priests".(Rev 1:6; 5:9, 10)

That is an interesting distinction Nadab. And, I see what you are saying. He was speaking to the Pharisees. However, what of the following.....


John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (19-21) Yet a little while, and the world seeth Me no more; but ye see Me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you. He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him."

So, what is your point ?

 

[Benoni]

Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted by Cornelius

The simplest way that I can describe the man child ministry, is that it will be those of us , who first manifest Christ. That is why they are called "first fruits", (the Fruit is Christ) Christ is in you for a reason. If you are feeding your inner man with the Word, He will grow. Christ will manifest in you more and more. It is prophesied that in the last days, Christ will fully manifest in some Christians

Hence, 'the Sealing' process.

* "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel." (Revelation 7:3,4)

* "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come." (Joel 2:28-31)

* "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws." ( Ezekiel 36:26,27)

* "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me....." ( Hebrews 8:10-13)

* "Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure." ( 1 John 3:2,3)

God manifests Himself fully within the firstfruits just prior to the Tribulation, when His intercession on behalf of sinners (as a WHOLE corporate body) ends at Heaven's Alter of Incense (the daily sacrifice taken away - Daniel 12:11,12).

* "And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." (Revelation 8:3-5)

The daily intercession of Jesus in Heaven's Tabernacle was reflected in the daily ministry of the priests in the Earthly Tabernacle at the Altar of Incense.

* "The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man." (Hebrews 8:1,2)

The evening and morning services presented on the Altar of Incense were called "the daily" or "the continual" because they were administered evening and morning - every day of the year - continually.

These daily services conducted by the priests in the Earthly Temple were shadows that reveal the services conducted by our High Priest; Jesus Christ in the Heavenly Temple on behalf of the whole world (not just Israel as in the Earthly Temple) - i.e. "For God so loved THE WORLD..."

The censer being cast to Earth at Heaven's Altar of Incense signals "the end" of the daily intercession of our High Priest (Jesus). This is the daily sacrifice THAT SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY MENTIONED IN DANIEL 12:11,12.

* "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." (Daniel 12:11,12)

God manifest Himself fully to "the rest of the harvest" (that follows the firsfruits) during the Tribulation because the intercession of Jesus on behalf of sinners (individual) comes to a close at the time of the Seventh Trumpet. The Altar of Incense dealt with the sin of the whole community - i.e the world. The Altar of Burnt Offering dealt with sin on an individual basis. The saints under the Altar during the Fifth Seal in Revelation are under the Altar of Burnt Offering (i.e. the excess "blood" was always "poured out" at the base of the Altar).

During the 1,290 days of sealing (apart from the firstfruits just prior to the censer being cast to Earth), the righteousness of Christ will be imparted to every sinner who passes the test of faith.

* "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." (Revelation 6:11)

* "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." ( Revelation 7:14)

 

[Cornelius]

Good insight Osgiliath !

Another "daily sacrifice " that is stopped is the one we do daily too.1Co 15:31 I protest by that glorifying in you, brethren, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service.

We follow Jesus to the cross to die to the old self. In the Harlot church, this is not so. "Self" rules. I believe that some types and shadows can have more than one meaning and still be in line with the Word.

So even now, we can make an assessment of how close our own congregations are to the Harlot, by measuring how much "death to self" they preach, or not preach.

 

[Cornelius]

Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The overcomers indeed are the first fruits. Its interesting that their number is so small , when you look at the number of people who profess Christianity today.

Also just an interesting note: Look at Rev 14 and then look at Rev 7 and you will see that there are two groups , each consisting of 144000. One group Rev 14:4 ......... These were purchased from among men, ...........

And the other group:

Rev 7:4 ... a hundred and forty and four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:

 

[guysmith]

According to Isaiah, the woman is Mount Zion and the man-child is the remnant.

Isaiah 66:7Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith