The Meaning of 666, The Reason for the Riddle

[Alfred Persson]

This is what the scripture says

'And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.'

Repeat: and even now already is it in the world.'

'Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.'

You must state your point, I cannot deduce it from the above.

 

[Corn Pop]

You must state your point, I cannot deduce it from the above.

I dont have a point I was just saying what the scripture says, it clearly says 'and this is that spirit of antichrist', and, 'as ye heard it shall come even now already is it in the world'. So there is no single antichrist figure and antichrist that was to come was already in the world.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I dont have a point I was just saying what the scripture says, it clearly says 'and this is that spirit of antichrist', and, 'as ye heard it shall come even now already is it in the world'. So there is no single antichrist figure and antichrist that was to come was already in the world.

"Spirit of antichrist" is the same thing Paul called the "mystery of lawlessness" in 2 Thess. 2. The antichrist spirit by word, prophecy and spurious apostolic letters had shaken the faith of the Thessalonians preaching Christ had came and left them behind (2 Tim. 2:18). This is confirmed in the context when Paul contrasts real Christians inspired by the Holy Spirit with antichrists inspired by the antichrist spirits (2 Thess. 2:2, 7, 9-15)

Jesus spoke of these people, "in that day" (Judgment Day) many would appeal to their former Christian miracle working and claim to still have affection for Jesus, but He would deny both ideas saying "I never knew you":

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matt. 7:22-23 KJV)

These are the antichrist's the apostles predicted would appear in the end time during the great falling away of the Church. If you're interested in this, go to my site for more:
http://endtimenews.net/powerful-delusion/

 

[reba]

I dont have a point I was just saying what the scripture says, it clearly says 'and this is that spirit of antichrist', and, 'as ye heard it shall come even now already is it in the world'. So there is no single antichrist figure and antichrist that was to come was already in the world.

Keeping our theology with in the Scripture is difficult .. We tend to put Scripture to our theologies ... the term antichrist sells ideas books etc.. For some reason we see fit to add or take away from the words of God....
Wondering about having a conversation with God..
Telling God about the antichrist standing in the temple... Nope God You didn't mean to say abomination of desolation, You should have said antichrist ...

 

[markathome]

There was no 666 when revelation was written. The first true written positional numeral system is considered to be the Hindu–Arabic numeral system, the most common system for the symbolic representation of numbers in the world today.

Revelation 666 was written in the Greek numerals system, using the letters of the Greek alphabet as numbers.

Gematria = "adding up letters in a person's name" is basically a form of witchcraft.
Throw some bones on a table and see where they fall? No difference!
Maybe a Ouija Board would be next in the list?

In theory 666 should point to the A-Christ/Beast but always leads those seeking it to far off dark places where they wallow around like pigs in the mud! The Garbage Professed is worse then a B Sci-Fi!
Adding 667 isn't going to turn out very well in the end! Revelation 22:18-19

God Bless

 

[Douglas Summers]

If John is playing with words and symbolic meanings, it does nothing to inspire faith in God or His word the Bible. But if John predicted the actual name of the Beast, then the generation that sees these things occur will be strengthened in their faith in both God and His word. Accordingly I have rewritten an opening paragraph to read as follows:

(Doug)> John had no wisdom in "The Revelation of Jesus Christ". He only wrote what Christ told him to. The wisdom and prophecy was Jesus The Christ (Rev. 1:1) (Rev. 1:9-18). It is not Johns revelation. He is just the Scribe.

(Alfred)> Adonikam's name will be the actual name of the Beast that rises and the solution indicates both Providential Preservation and Inerrancy of Scripture are true, as both 666 and 667 are correct and God prevented copiests from reconciling the number as modern textual critics are wont to do. (Doug)> We would do well to preach the Gospel (which few understand). 666 is The first horse of the Apocalypse.

 

[Alfred Persson]

There was no 666 when revelation was written. The first true written positional numeral system is considered to be the Hindu–Arabic numeral system, the most common system for the symbolic representation of numbers in the world today.

Revelation 666 was written in the Greek numerals system, using the letters of the Greek alphabet as numbers.

Gematria = "adding up letters in a person's name" is basically a form of witchcraft.
Throw some bones on a table and see where they fall? No difference!
Maybe a Ouija Board would be next in the list?

In theory 666 should point to the A-Christ/Beast but always leads those seeking it to far off dark places where they wallow around like pigs in the mud! The Garbage Professed is worse then a B Sci-Fi!
Adding 667 isn't going to turn out very well in the end! Revelation 22:18-19

God Bless

Evidently you didn't read the post your responding to, Gematria is opposed in it.

 

[Cygnus]

1) 666 is a biblical allusion to a man’s name in the Old Testament: Adonikam.

I'm thinking along these lines....so what? How does that efffect what John wrote in Revelation?

The closest I can see is that theory might suggest the anti-christ may be a descencent of Adonikam.

 

[markathome]

John said 666 is the number OF a man, not the number of a name.

I pretty much ended reading it at this point!

Revelation 13:17
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I pretty much ended reading it at this point!

Revelation 13:17
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.

No contradiction. You are reading into "number of his name" Gematria, but OF is genitive, not implying Gematria at all. The number is OF the name, just as its a number OF a man. Double Entendre. The number exists because Adonikam has 666 children; The equation 667-1 exists because Daddy Adonikam has 667 children, hence to get to John's 666 solution, he must be subtracted. Then its 666 is OF Adonikam his son. That's why its "OF" the man, OF the Beast, OF his name.

 

[Cygnus]

I pretty much ended reading it at this point!

Revelation 13:17
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.

Good point.

No contradiction. You are reading into "number of his name" Gematria, but OF is genitive, not implying Gematria at all. The number is OF the name, just as its a number OF a man. Double Entendre. The number exists because Adonikam has 666 children; The equation 667-1 exists because Daddy Adonikam has 667 children. That's why its "OF" the man, OF the Beast, OF his name.

I honestly don't think gymnastics such as that are required to solve the issue. I tried to follow your response and got lost right away.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Good point.



I honestly don't think gymnastics such as that are required to solve the issue. I tried to follow your response and got lost right away.

What gymnastics, its genitive, OF which means its NOT symbolic, NOT Gematria. My interpretation is elegant, parsimonous, strict adherence to the Greek. Elegance is evidence of truth, correctness.

 

[Cygnus]

What gymnastics, its genitive, OF which means its NOT symbolic, NOT Gematria. My interpretation is elegant, parsimonous, strict adherence to the Greek. Elegance is evidence of truth, correctness.

Sheeze, you continue. ...genitive? I had to look that word up as well as the mispelled parsimonous....parsimonious is the correct spelling.
You deeming yourself to be elegant...is kinda puffed up.

If you were truly elegant you would have the ability to explain your position in fashion that people could understand. Instead you are saying, i understand greek better than you...in fact so good I'm head and shoulders above you..you shouldn't question my genative parsimonious.

One problem I have is why you didn't reply to my post 28?

 

[markathome]

No contradiction. You are reading into "number of his name" Gematria

John said 666 is the number OF a man, not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man AND not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man OR not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man AND OF not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man AND the number of a name.
Which Statement is correct?


Maybe this will help?

Revelation 13:17
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark, ΧΣϛ
or the name of the beast, ΧΣϛ
or the number of his name. ΧΣϛ
Revelation 13:17 Strong's
even/then/also ~kai
lest/that/not ~hina
a certain one or object ~tis
to be able to do something ~dunamai
to go to market/to do business ~agorazo
either/or/than ~e
to barter/to sell ~poleo
if not/except/but ~ei
to have/hold ~echo
a stamp/thing carved/sculpture/graven work ~charagma ΧΣϛ
either/or/than ~e
name ~onoma ΧΣϛ
an animal/venomous dangerous beast/bestial... ~therion
either/or/than ~e
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
of them/he ~autos
name ~onoma ΧΣϛ

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom.
Let him that hath understanding
count the number of the beast: ΧΣϛ
for it is the number of a man; ΧΣϛ
and his number is ΧΣϛ

Revelation 13:18 Strong's
here/hither/in this place ~hode
to be ~esti
wisdom ~sophia
to have/hold ~echo
understanding ~nous
to count/to decide by voting ~psephizo ?Vote for your Beast 666 or 616
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
an animal/venomous dangerous beast/bestial... ~therion
for(gar-in the Beginning) ~gar
to be ~esti
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
a human being/in the plural, people ~anthropos
even/then/also ~kai
of them/he ~autos
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
XΣς 666 Chi S s or χιϛ 616 Greek 600 X... ~chi

 

[reba]

We are getting a bit personal take it easy guys reply to the topic not the member
not necessarily directed at the last poster..

do not reply to this post in this thread ...

 

[Alfred Persson]

Sheeze, you continue. ...genitive? I had to look that word up as well as the mispelled parsimonous....parsimonious is the correct spelling.
You deeming yourself to be elegant...is kinda puffed up.

If you were truly elegant you would have the ability to explain your position in fashion that people could understand. Instead you are saying, i understand greek better than you...in fact so good I'm head and shoulders above you..you shouldn't question my genative parsimonious.

One problem I have is why you didn't reply to my post 28?

Sheeze, you continue. ...genitive? I had to look that word up as well as the mispelled parsimonous....parsimonious is the correct spelling.
You deeming yourself to be elegant...is kinda puffed up.

If you were truly elegant you would have the ability to explain your position in fashion that people could understand. Instead you are saying, i understand greek better than you...in fact so good I'm head and shoulders above you..you shouldn't question my genative parsimonious.

One problem I have is why you didn't reply to my post 28?

genitive — The genitive is the case that qualifies or restricts a noun by means of a specific characterization. The genitive normally marks a noun as the source or possessor of something, or refers to the kind of relationship that noun has to another noun. It is typically expressed in English by the preposition “of”. For example, in the phrase “throne of the king” the noun “king” is in the genitive and qualifies the type of throne. In “blood of Christ,” Christ is the genitive noun which describes possession.-Heiser, M. S., & Setterholm, V. M. (2013; 2013). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Lexham Press.

Parsimony: economy of explanation in conformity with Occam's razor-Websters

Elegance: scientific precision, neatness, and simplicity the elegance of a mathematical proof-Websters

As for Post 28, John didn't challenge us to find the ancestor of the beast

 

[Cygnus]

genitive — The genitive is the case that qualifies or restricts a noun by means of a specific characterization. The genitive normally marks a noun as the source or possessor of something, or refers to the kind of relationship that noun has to another noun. It is typically expressed in English by the preposition “of”. For example, in the phrase “throne of the king” the noun “king” is in the genitive and qualifies the type of throne. In “blood of Christ,” Christ is the genitive noun which describes possession.-Heiser, M. S., & Setterholm, V. M. (2013; 2013). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Lexham Press.

Parsimony: economy of explanation in conformity with Occam's razor-Websters

Elegance: scientific precision, neatness, and simplicity the elegance of a mathematical proof-Websters

As for Post 28, John didn't challenge us to find the ancestor of the beast

I don't want to sound like a jerk....but, so what?
In a previous post you mentioned 666 and Adonikam....then what? You seem more interested in proving Adonikam is 666. OK, lets say he is....what does it all mean? As Christians how should retake it?

 

[Alfred Persson]

I don't want to sound like a jerk....but, so what?
In a previous post you mentioned 666 and Adonikam....then what? You seem more interested in proving Adonikam is 666. OK, lets say he is....what does it all mean? As Christians how should retake it?

Its of little value now. But when a miracle working Assyrian Jewish Christian politician rises in both the church and in the End Time Grecian version of the Roman Empire, in a ten king confederation aligned with the Dragon leader of "extraterrestrials" claiming to be the designers of life on this planet...

All of which causes the entire earth to fall away from historical concepts of God, the ancient alien theory will seem to be correct.

Then noticing the miracle worker is named Adonikam, might mean something to you. It will prove the scriptures predicted in detail everything about the Beast and you will have a decision to make. Believe God exists and its the God of the Bible, or believe Adonikam that God the leader of an inferior extraterrestrial race who can be defeated by Adonikam and his alliance with the Dragon and his fleet.

By the way, God will permit Adonikam some success, just so what happened to Pharaoh (Ex. 7:22) also happens to him, so don't be fooled if it looks like God's angels are losing. They won't:

It grew so big it reached the army of heaven, and it brought about the fall of some of the army and some of the stars to the ground, where it trampled them. (Dan. 8:10 NET)

 

[Alfred Persson]

John said 666 is the number OF a man, not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man AND not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man OR not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man AND OF not the number of a name.
John said 666 is the number OF a man AND the number of a name.
Which Statement is correct?


Maybe this will help?

Revelation 13:17
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark, ΧΣϛ
or the name of the beast, ΧΣϛ
or the number of his name. ΧΣϛ
Revelation 13:17 Strong's
even/then/also ~kai
lest/that/not ~hina
a certain one or object ~tis
to be able to do something ~dunamai
to go to market/to do business ~agorazo
either/or/than ~e
to barter/to sell ~poleo
if not/except/but ~ei
to have/hold ~echo
a stamp/thing carved/sculpture/graven work ~charagma ΧΣϛ
either/or/than ~e
name ~onoma ΧΣϛ
an animal/venomous dangerous beast/bestial... ~therion
either/or/than ~e
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
of them/he ~autos
name ~onoma ΧΣϛ

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom.
Let him that hath understanding
count the number of the beast: ΧΣϛ
for it is the number of a man; ΧΣϛ
and his number is ΧΣϛ

Revelation 13:18 Strong's
here/hither/in this place ~hode
to be ~esti
wisdom ~sophia
to have/hold ~echo
understanding ~nous
to count/to decide by voting ~psephizo ?Vote for your Beast 666 or 616
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
an animal/venomous dangerous beast/bestial... ~therion
for(gar-in the Beginning) ~gar
to be ~esti
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
a human being/in the plural, people ~anthropos
even/then/also ~kai
of them/he ~autos
a fixed number/a multitude ~arithmos
XΣς 666 Chi S s or χιϛ 616 Greek 600 X... ~chi

My argument was obscure in the OP, hopefully this makes it clear:

The Genitive (“OF”) is the double entendre. 1) 666 is the number OF a man; 2) 666 is the number OF a name (Rev. 13:17); 3) 666 is the number OF the Beast.

The solution:

1a) 666 is OF the man because he has 666 children (Ezr. 2:13).
2a) 666 is OF the name because it generates the equation that results in 666. In Nehemiah 7:18 Adonikam is said to have 667 children, therefore its deducible the list began with Adonikam’s father who must also be named Adonikam. So the “count” or “calculation” which is “OF” this name is 667-1=666, pointing to the same man Adonikam his son (Neh. 7:18).
3a) 666 is OF the Beast because John said so (Rev. 13:18).

The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six. (Ezr. 2:13) KJV

The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven. (Neh. 7:18) KJV

Having these two verses point to the same name is like having “two witnesses” establishing the matter (Deut. 19:15).

As Gematria is irrelevant to two of these "connections", its clearly ruled out as being relevant to this riddle.

http://endtimenews.net/666-meaning/

 

[Cygnus]

Its of little value now. But when a miracle working Assyrian Jewish Christian politician rises in both the church and in the End Time Grecian version of the Roman Empire, in a ten king confederation aligned with the Dragon leader of "extraterrestrials" claiming to be the designers of life on this planet...

All of which causes the entire earth to fall away from historical concepts of God, the ancient alien theory will seem to be correct.

Then noticing the miracle worker is named Adonikam, might mean something to you. It will prove the scriptures predicted in detail everything about the Beast and you will have a decision to make. Believe God exists and its the God of the Bible, or believe Adonikam that God the leader of an inferior extraterrestrial race who can be defeated by Adonikam and his alliance with the Dragon and his fleet.

By the way, God will permit Adonikam some success, just so what happened to Pharaoh (Ex. 7:22) also happens to him, so don't be fooled if it looks like God's angels are losing. They won't:

It grew so big it reached the army of heaven, and it brought about the fall of some of the army and some of the stars to the ground, where it trampled them. (Dan. 8:10 NET)

Time will tell.