The origin of Earth & man, according to mormonism.

[MISFIT]

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[Gabe]

Wow. Is this really what Mormons are taught?

 

[LostSoul]

In the words of Gabriel Ali, which I now find myself repeating....

Wow, is it true that the Mormons really teach this and are taught this? Makes me all the more determined to learn about other doctrines of other religions so that way the truth and falsehoods might be better known.

 

[MISFIT]

Yes! However you will not find this in the Book of Mormon this teaching comes from the Book Of Abraham within the Pearl of Great Price. A book that Joseph Smith claims he translated from Egyptian Papyrus, but the papyrus was examined by top Egyptologists and it is nothing more than a few pages from the book of the dead. Once again Joseph lied. Mormons truly believe that they will become Gods of their own worlds, now tell me how blasphemous is that?

 

[LostSoul]

Yes! However you will not find this in the Book of Mormon this teaching comes from the Book Of Abraham within the Pearl of Great Price. A book that Joseph Smith claims he translated from Egyptian Papyrus, but the papyrus was examined by top Egyptologists and it is nothing more than a few pages from the book of the dead. Once again Joseph lied. Mormons truly believe that they will become Gods of their own worlds, now tell me how blasphemous is that?

All I can say is....good Lord....do I need to do some serious praying and some serious studying.

 

[MISFIT]

Yes! However you will not find this in the Book of Mormon this teaching comes from the Book Of Abraham within the Pearl of Great Price. A book that Joseph Smith claims he translated from Egyptian Papyrus, but the papyrus was examined by top Egyptologists and it is nothing more than a few pages from the book of the dead. Once again Joseph lied. Mormons truly believe that they will become Gods of their own worlds, now tell me how blasphemous is that?

All I can say is....good Lord....do I need to do some serious praying and some serious studying.

I've lived in Utah all my life, and have many family members and friends that are Mormon, I can honestly say I know more about mormonism than most mormons do and I would be happy to tell you what ever you want to know.

 

[LostSoul]

Yes! However you will not find this in the Book of Mormon this teaching comes from the Book Of Abraham within the Pearl of Great Price. A book that Joseph Smith claims he translated from Egyptian Papyrus, but the papyrus was examined by top Egyptologists and it is nothing more than a few pages from the book of the dead. Once again Joseph lied. Mormons truly believe that they will become Gods of their own worlds, now tell me how blasphemous is that?

All I can say is....good Lord....do I need to do some serious praying and some serious studying.

I've lived in Utah all my life, and have many family members and friends that are Mormon, I can honestly say I know more about mormonism than most mormons do and I would be happy to tell you what ever you want to know.

In truth Misfit, I know practically nothing for certain. Though I have been told various things that I would like to seek the truth of. So likely the best I can do is start with a couple questions about their doctrine.

Some have told me things like these:

Mormons believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers....this too was depicted in the film you showed us here. Is that really a belief a number of them have?

I have also been told, I believe by an actual person claiming to be a Mormon as well, that Jesus is believed to have come to the U.S. and ministered to the Native Americans..is that taught too?

Do they believe in polygamy? Or perhaps any other questionable practices that are usually discouraged at some point in the Bible?

 

[MISFIT]

Mormons believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers....this too was depicted in the film you showed us here. Is that really a belief a number of them have?


I have also been told, I believe by an actual person claiming to be a Mormon as well, that Jesus is believed to have come to the U.S. and ministered to the Native Americans..is that taught too?


Do they believe in polygamy? Or perhaps any other questionable practices that are usually discouraged at some point in the Bible?

I will answer in the order you asked...

#1 Yes they all believe this, in fact they believe we are ALL their brothers and sisters. They believe that we are all literal sons and daughters of GOD. You and I would be brother and sister according to their doctrine, in fact you and your husband would be too. Jesus and Satan are the first and second spirit children of their God (Elohim).

#2 Yes that is the "plot" of the Book Of Mormon. They believe that some time after the resurrection of Jesus he came back to earth to teach the people of this continent. They also believe that the native Americans are acually the "lost tribe" of Israel. If you want to know the whole story on this I would suggest you watch a film called the Bible vs. The Book Of Mormon, I have posted it here in this same forum.

#3 Polygamy, in the Mormon doctrinal book knowen as " The Doctrine & Covenants" in section 132 Joseph Smith taught that God had given him a " New and everlasting covenant" that man should have more than one wife and that " he who does not follow this shall be damned." Now here the thing after pressure from the US government they publicly dropped the practice of polygamy, but they still have the D&C 132 canonized. So no most main stream Mormons do not have more than one wife, but many "spin offs" do. The reason for the plural marriages is like the cartoon said so they can have many goddess wives to help them populate other worlds. Mormonism is very sexist, the role of women is just to have children and nothing else.

I hope that answered you questions, if not or if you have more please feel free to ask.

 

[LostSoul]

Mormons believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers....this too was depicted in the film you showed us here. Is that really a belief a number of them have?


I have also been told, I believe by an actual person claiming to be a Mormon as well, that Jesus is believed to have come to the U.S. and ministered to the Native Americans..is that taught too?


Do they believe in polygamy? Or perhaps any other questionable practices that are usually discouraged at some point in the Bible?

I will answer in the order you asked...

#1 Yes they all believe this, in fact they believe we are ALL their brothers and sisters. They believe that we are all literal sons and daughters of GOD. You and I would be brother and sister according to their doctrine, in fact you and your husband would be too. Jesus and Satan are the first and second spirit children of their God (Elohim).

#2 Yes that is the "plot" of the Book Of Mormon. They believe that some time after the resurrection of Jesus he came back to earth to teach the people of this continent. They also believe that the native Americans are acually the "lost tribe" of Israel. If you want to know the whole story on this I would suggest you watch a film called the Bible vs. The Book Of Mormon, I have posted it here in this same forum.

#3 Polygamy, in the Mormon doctrinal book knowen as " The Doctrine & Covenants" in section 132 Joseph Smith taught that God had given him a " New and everlasting covenant" that man should have more than one wife and that " he who does not follow this shall be damned." Now here the thing after pressure from the US government they publicly dropped the practice of polygamy, but they still have the D&C 132 canonized. So no most main stream Mormons do not have more than one wife, but many "spin offs" do. The reason for the plural marriages is like the cartoon said so they can have many goddess wives to help them populate other worlds. Mormonism is very sexist, the role of women is just to have children and nothing else.

I hope that answered you questions, if not or if you have more please feel free to ask.

Misfit,

You have really proven to enlighten me. I knew so much...yet so little at the same time. There are likely countless other questions I can no doubt throw your way. But I do not have any desire to overwhelm you with pages upon pages of questions. Though I will not lie to you, there is much I want to learn so that way I can better understand what it is that they stand for and believe in. If you really think you are up for the task, then as I said before...I have a lot of questions.

May God Bless You

Danielle

 

[MISFIT]

Fire away Danielle, just keep in mind my answers may be long and detailed depending on the question so you may want to ask only one or two at a time.

 

[dattaswami]

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Creation Sequence

The first creation that came from God is space or inert energy. Akasa (space) and Tejas (inert energy) are one and the same because space is a form of inert energy only. Matter, work, light, heat, sound, electricity, magnetism and awareness are also other forms of inert energy. Our imagination cannot cross the limits of space. The link or process of production between God and space is also unimaginable like God. This link is beyond space and God is beyond this link. The space is called as Mahat. The link is called as Avyaktam which means unimaginable. The Parabrahman is mentioned as purusha. The Veda says that Avyaktam is beyond space and purusha is beyond Avyaktam (Mahatah paramavyaktam avyaktat purushah parah).

God is first. Space is second. Air is third. We can explain the generation of third from second, but not the second from first. Second and third are imaginable items. Space or energy became air. Air means atoms. This is energy condensing into matter. This process of condensation is explicable and debatable. This process is parinama or vivarta. If matter is different from energy only by quantitative way it is vivarta like water condensed to ice. Vivarta brings only physical difference.

The parinama is qualitative difference like milk becoming curd. Before the creation of matter, only energy exists. If energy is condensed, it should be vivarta process only, which is physical. But if all the mater is energy only, how the qualitative difference came between items of matter? There cannot be qualitative difference between blocks of ice having various sizes. One block of ice may be more concentrated (or condensed) but it cannot bring a qualitative difference.

But the qualitative difference between the milk and curd is practically experienced in the world. Milk and curd are also condensed products of same energy and may have quantitative difference. Thus this point of contradiction brings the unimaginability, which is the characteristic of God. Therefore, the presence of the unimaginable power of God (Maya) is everywhere in the world. The Gita says that this Prakruti is also Maya (Mayam tu prakrutim). Thus the entire world is affected by the hidden power of God (Maya), which is known by deep analysis.

When the energy and work are essentially same, the different quantities of energy-drops (electrons) giving rise to different properties mean different works of God giving rise to different properties. Here the wonder is that the working material and work are one and the same in essence. Therefore, the unimaginable God does wonderful works and His work it self is the working material. The work is power of God, which it self is the working material. All this creation is work without any separate working material because the working material itself is a form of work. According to science also, any material (matter) is a form of energy and work is also a form of the same energy.

Thus, this wonder exists in science, which says that matter is a condensed form energy. For the process of condensation, space is required and the space should be different from energy for the process of condensation to take place. But space is a form of energy as per the special theory of relativity. In such case, how the energy is condensed? Because, space is also energy. This is another wonder. Like this, when this nature (Prakruti) is analyzed, it is a wonder (Maya) only as said in Gita (Mayam tu..). Thus, Maya becomes the inner substratum of the world. God is the substratum of Maya (Mayinam tu…Gita).

Thus, God is the final substratum of this world. The generation of matter on condensation of energy and the transformation of matter in to energy by dilution are wonders in the context of space being the energy. Thus, the generation, maintenance on substratum and dissolution are works of Maya, which mean wonders of God. Such wonder is for souls only and is well known to God and therefore it is not a wonder to God. Thus, Maya is a logic or science for God, just like the nature is a logical science to the souls. It is only higher logic or super science of God which is above the level of souls.

 

[LostSoul]

Misfit,

In light of much you have shared with me, I find myself curious about a Mormon's view on marriage. What are they taught about marriage? Are the wives to be submissive as is encouraged in various other religions? Or is there more to it? What about the man's role? Does God initially play any part in the union of a man and woman in that faith?

I am sorry if that seems a bit much. I know you told me to keep it to one or two questions...so more or less if you can....just take all these as one question all summed up....how do Mormons view marriage?

Learning about other religions...and hopefully sooner rather than later, their origins can better help me to understand how to speak with others of other beliefs.

Thank you again for all this. It is most insightful.

May God bless You

Danielle

 

[MISFIT]

Misfit,

In light of much you have shared with me, I find myself curious about a Mormon's view on marriage. What are they taught about marriage? Are the wives to be submissive as is encouraged in various other religions? Or is there more to it? What about the man's role? Does God initially play any part in the union of a man and woman in that faith?

I am sorry if that seems a bit much. I know you told me to keep it to one or two questions...so more or less if you can....just take all these as one question all summed up....how do Mormons view marriage?

Learning about other religions...and hopefully sooner rather than later, their origins can better help me to understand how to speak with others of other beliefs.

Thank you again for all this. It is most insightful.

May God bless You

Danielle

I will give you the modern LDS view on marriage. Marriage is very important to the LDS, they believe that it is for ever. They are married in LDS temple ceremonies after they are proven to be "worthy" of entering the temple. This usually means for the man going on a two year mission, and for both of them it mean abiding by the LDS word of wisdom (I'll get into that latter), and faithfully paying their Tithes to the Church. They hold marriage as the most holy of ceremonies, for it allows the man to become a God of his own world, and helps bring the rest of Elohim's (the LDS God) spirt children to Earth to get body's of flesh and blood and earn their God-hood. After the wedding they are greatly encouraged to start having children, it is not uncommon for LDS families to have more than 6-8 kids I've even known some that have had 12 or more. As far as the mans role and the woman's role, the man is the unquestioned head of the family as is encouraged to be the sole provider. Women are not forbidden from working but it's not recommended, their place is the home they are to have as many kids as possible and keep the man happy. A barren or infertile LDS woman is viewed as "cursed".

Now a funny thing about Utah, we have one of the highest rates of divorce in the nation. My guess is that when you get married for the wrong reasons it wont last. Mormons are told that they must get married so many do even if they don't want to. I have a friend that is gay, and LDS. He is married to a woman and they have a very unhappy marriage, but they stay together because they feel they have to, and they are pressured by all around them, silly they also have brought kids into this situation.

As for the early LDS view on Marriage it's pretty much the same, but the men were required to have at least three wives, most had more.


Hope that helped, and really keep them comming.

 

[Entropic_Prodigy]

My husband is Native American, and he swears the Mormons really like him. (The company he works for is Mormon owned) His sister told him one time about Mormons believing Native Americans were really Israelites, and she also said that they believed that if you took in either a black skinned member or Native American and converted them, their skin would actually get lighter and lighter all the time, indicating that they were becoming more "pure".

There was an article I found one time that went into depth about some of the temple rituals, and it was EXTREMELY cult-like and gave me the chills just reading it. Here's an excerpt from a similar one found online:

The ritual is a dramatization of the Mormon interpretation of the creation and history of the world, emphasizing the Creation, the Fall of Adam, the expulsion from the Garden, and God's sending to humanity the message of salvation by means of the messengers Peter, James and John. The main characters in this ritual drama are God the Father (Elohim), Jehovah, and Michael (who later appears as Adam), Eve, Lucifer, Peter, James and John. Until 1990 a Christian Minister also appeared in a derogatory role, as a paid servant of Lucifer. Jesus does not appear in the drama, except as Jehovah, one of the creators of the world. No principles of doctrine are presented that an attentive Mormon has not already learned from his pre-endowment studies of Mormonism, other than perhaps the doctrine that his ultimate celestial exaltation will depend on his knowing the signs, tokens (handclasps) and passwords which he will learn during the endowment ritual.

Since the 1960s much of the dramatic part of the presentation has been presented by using motion pictures. In other words, temples nowadays are movie theaters, showing the same film, over and over. Prior to the introduction of the use of film, the dramatization was performed by temple workers. The dramatic presentations were not theatrical, but ritual. No attempt was made at verisimilitude or real acting. All characters wore white suits or dresses (except for Lucifer, who wore a black suit and a Masonic ceremonial apron, and the Christian minister, who wore ordinary street clothes).

In the older temples, when the dramatization was "live," the company moved from room to room, symbolic of their progression in receiving the Mormon gospel. The creation was presented in the Creation Room, the Adam and Eve story in the Garden Room, man's condition after the fall and his temptations by false doctrine in the Lone and Dreary World Room, and, after mankind receives the True Gospel, in the Telestial Room, from which passage through the Veil of the temple (described below) leads to the Celestial Room. Each room in the older temples was decorated with appropriate murals. Each room (except for the Creation Room) also contained a small altar.

In the modern temples the company remains in the same room, which is merely a motion-picture projection room, with an altar.

All altars in the temple are a simple rectangular box, with a low padded step or ledge, for kneeling. The top of the altar, at elbow height for one kneeling at the altar, is also padded.

At appropriate places in the dramatization, the patrons put on part of the ritual clothing over their other clothing. Immediately after the fall, for example, the patrons put on the green apron, representing Adam's attempt to cover his nakedness with fig leaves. Later in the ritual, they add the robe, sash and cap or veil, symbolic of the receiving of the priesthood by mankind.

Here's an audio recording of a temple endowment ceremony, too: http://www.lds-temple.org/index.php?page=audio

I haven't listened to it yet.

 

[LostSoul]

Misfit & Entropic Prodigy,

Thank you both for your answers and rather ensightful information. It never ceases to amaze me still sometimes the hidden ugliness of religions. Racism....sexist attitudes,.....sometimes it is no wonder to me how the world has so many vast views of things that tend to clash with one another.

This opens doors to many more questions. So I apologize if I begin to move too fast on this topic.

Are there other beliefs perhaps not stated outright.....in terms of racism...sexist behaviors? In other words, are there other nationalities of people too read as heathen or the like in the mormon scriptures?

Also....what purpose does the book of mormon itself serve?

Thank you again for bearing with me.

May God Bless You

Danielle

 

[MISFIT]

Here's where it gets really odd, to answer your next question we need to look at the LDS belief of the "pre-existence." Now this is touched on in the cartoon, but I will go into further detail here.

As Christians we have only one book of scripture the Bible, but Mormons have 4 they are the Bible(LDS church KJV only), The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and covenants. Now if you talk with LDS missionaries they will tell you about the first two, mostly the BoM, and you will see offers for free copies of the first two as well. Most people have never heard of the latter two book, however the majority of Mormon doctrine comes not from the Bible & BoM, but from the D&C & the PoGP.

It's in the PoGP that we find the LDS account of creation. They believe that matter is eternal and that it can not be destroyed or created. When the consul of elder Gods decided to make this world they used matter from other worlds and chose a new God of this world. Now the God of this world had many wives from his mortal existence on the world he was born on, and also many "spirit children" the first of them is Jesus the second Satan. They believe that we are all of those spirit children and we are sent here to earth to learn right from wrong follow the teachings of the LDS church and to marry.

Now with that lets get to your question. Before we come to earth we are with God as spirits, and before the earth was populated there was a war between the spirits, 1/3 sided with Jesus, 1/3 with Satan and 1/3 were neutral. The better you were in this war the better you are in life now. Those that sided with Satan were cast out never to get to come to Earth, those that sided with Jesus get better lives here depending on how loyal they were and how hard they fought. If you were very loyal and fought with the LDS Jesus all the way you would be born white and to an LDS family, but if you were one of the neutral you were cursed to be born with black skin and in a poor family.

In the BoM the lost tribe if israel that found their way here were white. After the years they began to fight with one another and were split into two tribes, the Nephites and the Lamanites. The Nephites stayed true to God and also stayed white, the Lamanites were not faithful and they were cursed by God with dark skin. This is one of the big reasons I have always been against mormonism, I'm Mexican and the idea of being cursed is just offensive as can be. The BoM used to say that if a lamminite or one of their descendants repented and truly followed the LDS church they would become, "White and delightsome." The modern BoM has replaced the word white with the word pure, but the doctrine is still there.


As for your other question about the BoM and it's purpose. They say it's an account of the native americans here before the white man came, it tells they story of how them came here and the big event of when Jesus came to America to teach them as he did the people in the mid-east. They use it as a stepping stone if you will as I said before it does not have the deep doctrine of the LDS church, just a small bit. It also contradicts other LDS teachings EG in the BoM it says that Jesus is God the father, yet ask any Mormon who Jesus is and they will tell you he is God's son not God himself. Also The BoM clearly says polygamy is wrong, yet Joseph Smith latter said in the D&C that man had to have more than one wife or be damned. It's poorly written and has been changed over 3000 times.

 

[LostSoul]

Here's where it gets really odd, to answer your next question we need to look at the LDS belief of the "pre-existence." Now this is touched on in the cartoon, but I will go into further detail here.

As Christians we have only one book of scripture the Bible, but Mormons have 4 they are the Bible(LDS church KJV only), The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and covenants. Now if you talk with LDS missionaries they will tell you about the first two, mostly the BoM, and you will see offers for free copies of the first two as well. Most people have never heard of the latter two book, however the majority of Mormon doctrine comes not from the Bible & BoM, but from the D&C & the PoGP.

It's in the PoGP that we find the LDS account of creation. They believe that matter is eternal and that it can not be destroyed or created. When the consul of elder Gods decided to make this world they used matter from other worlds and chose a new God of this world. Now the God of this world had many wives from his mortal existence on the world he was born on, and also many "spirit children" the first of them is Jesus the second Satan. They believe that we are all of those spirit children and we are sent here to earth to learn right from wrong follow the teachings of the LDS church and to marry.

Now with that lets get to your question. Before we come to earth we are with God as spirits, and before the earth was populated there was a war between the spirits, 1/3 sided with Jesus, 1/3 with Satan and 1/3 were neutral. The better you were in this war the better you are in life now. Those that sided with Satan were cast out never to get to come to Earth, those that sided with Jesus get better lives here depending on how loyal they were and how hard they fought. If you were very loyal and fought with the LDS Jesus all the way you would be born white and to an LDS family, but if you were one of the neutral you were cursed to be born with black skin and in a poor family.

In the BoM the lost tribe if israel that found their way here were white. After the years they began to fight with one another and were split into two tribes, the Nephites and the Lamanites. The Nephites stayed true to God and also stayed white, the Lamanites were not faithful and they were cursed by God with dark skin. This is one of the big reasons I have always been against mormonism, I'm Mexican and the idea of being cursed is just offensive as can be. The BoM used to say that if a lamminite or one of their descendants repented and truly followed the LDS church they would become, "White and delightsome." The modern BoM has replaced the word white with the word pure, but the doctrine is still there.


As for your other question about the BoM and it's purpose. They say it's an account of the native americans here before the white man came, it tells they story of how them came here and the big event of when Jesus came to America to teach them as he did the people in the mid-east. They use it as a stepping stone if you will as I said before it does not have the deep doctrine of the LDS church, just a small bit. It also contradicts other LDS teachings EG in the BoM it says that Jesus is God the father, yet ask any Mormon who Jesus is and they will tell you he is God's son not God himself. Also The BoM clearly says polygamy is wrong, yet Joseph Smith latter said in the D&C that man had to have more than one wife or be damned. It's poorly written and has been changed over 3000 times.

Misfit,

After seeing your own history being of another nationality...man....can I understand some of the issues you had with the Mormon religion and LDS. After all, one of the key elements a number of children can, do, and really should be taught is that Jesus loves all. Makes me think of that old time Sunday School song: Jesus Loves The Little Children. Think that song is one that should truly and honestly be used in daily ministry for our youth above all else. For something sometimes we as people tend to fail to see when we harbor any bitterness towards another is that God loves us ALL. Also that God does NOT make trash. Yet somehow....that is one of the hardest messages for our world today to grasp.

Do the Mormons value the Ten Commandments?

Is there any particular focus other than perhaps that which you have mentioned in terms of becoming 'pure' that is constantly brought up in their doctrine?

Thanks again. I am truly learning a great deal here.

May God Bless You

Danielle

 

[MISFIT]

This one will be shorter, Yes they do hold the 10 commandments highly. Mormons have a sin raking system, meaning to them some sins are worse than others. They hold murder just barely above premarital sex. It is a very very legalistic religion, they have a confession kind of like the Catholics, and remember being "temple worthy?" Well if you don't hold their rules you can lose that and have to start all over. I have heard of people being excommunicated for drinking alcohol, but I can't confirm this. Mormons have what they call the "Word Of Wisdom" found in the D&C which out lines most of these rules here I'll post it for you...

1 A Word OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zionâ€â€
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last daysâ€â€
3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.
4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelationâ€â€
5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of manâ€â€
11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the groundâ€â€
17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

As you can see it's a little odd, I have always wondered about using tobacco to treat bruises. I copied this right out of the D&C from the LDS web site.

 

[Entropic_Prodigy]

My husband just got back from Wyoming, but he flew into Salt Lake City to get picked up by his buddy. He said on their way out of Utah, they saw what he called a polygamy ranch, which was a circle of mobile homes. I guess it's well-known in the area.

The Mormon Church seems to proclaim that they no longer endorse or promote poligimous practices, but it's kinda funny to me that when anyone says "Mormon" or "Utah", it's the first thing that springs into most people's minds. :D

Different websites have different statistics, but most either place Mormonism as the 4th or 5th largest growing "Christian" religion in the U.S. Kinda scary, if you think about it.

 

[LostSoul]

Different websites have different statistics, but most either place Mormonism as the 4th or 5th largest growing "Christian" religion in the U.S. Kinda scary, if you think about it.

That popular huh?