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The Passion of Christ

Mike

Mike

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I did a search, because I thought surely at some point, someone had offered up "The Passion of Christ" for discussion, but I couldn't find anything.

Were the people who differ with Gibson's theology able to get past his spin on certain things? I was. I thought it was amazing and have watched it a number of times when I really want to re-acquaint myself with the torture and pain He experience on my behalf. To me, this was the hardest hitting cinematic message to the world on the Gospel.

The presence of Satan in the garden and in the background of the rest of the movie was very intense.

It would be great to have a follow up movie beginning with His resurrection, ascension and the beginning of the church.

The most powerful movie I have ever seen!
 
I've still got to see it. I brorrowed it from our local video rental store a while back but the English subtitles weren't working and I didn't want to watch it in Hebrew so I still haven't gotten round to it. I didn't know about the deviations from scripture, but I hadn't thought about it. I can't say it surprises me. You can't expect someone like Gibson to stick 100% to scripture.
 
In spite of Gibson's personal demons (with alcohol abuse for example), I think he's good for the industry. The world looks at him and says, "See! There's your Christian". But he's flawed and makes mistakes allbeit some big ones.
He brings faith to many of his films in an industry that is constantly mocking it.

The movie is great, but save it for a night with no distractions and be prepared for intensity.
 
I actually did like the movie when I first saw it but it's unbiblical. Satan was never in the garden of Gethsemane taunting Jesus. He also was not androgynous holding a baby (the antichrist??). And there as no snake slitehring in there either. We also see numerous scenes of Jesus suffering with Mary positioned directly above or parallel to Him in another room or outside. The whole "co-redemptrix" theme.

Additionally we have Veronica wiping Jesus' face and the image of his face is on the cloth. Mary wiping up his blood with linens brought by Pilate's wife. None of this is in the Bible.

And with respect to the violence, they make it the star of the show. The beating and pain Christ took are the focus. That's not the Gospel. The Gospel is that Jesus bore our sin. It's His bearing our sin what saves us. Yes, He HAD to die. He is the Perfect Sacrifice. But it was a sacrifice for our sins. This is never mentioned in the entire film! They don't even give an accurate Gospel message in the movie. It's a Catholic Gospel.

And Gibson's own comments was that he was trying to make a film that played out the Catholic Mass. IN the commenraries on DVD he starts out by saying that we should not follow the Bible alone. So at that point I was really not feeling it.

Also a little disturbing that this is Gibson's icon for his company.

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I know people may scoff at that, but there are enough single-eye or pyramid corporate logos out there that it should raise some concern among Christians.
 
I watched the crucifixion at school today during Christian Club. I thought it was pretty good, and accurate for the most part.
 
NJBeliever said:
I actually did like the movie when I first saw it but it's unbiblical. Satan was never in the garden of Gethsemane taunting Jesus. He also was not androgynous holding a baby (the antichrist??). And there as no snake slitehring in there either. We also see numerous scenes of Jesus suffering with Mary positioned directly above or parallel to Him in another room or outside. The whole "co-redemptrix" theme.
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I hope Nick is not still reading, or we'll give away the ending. Okay, Nick. In the end, Jesus rises from the grave. Sorry, I hate to be a spoiler. ;)

NJB, the stuff with Mary is the kind of stuff I was able to look away from, and I could deal with the scene when He's being crucified and the cross is held suspended before it hits the ground (like angels were holding it from slamming down, I suppose).

I don't understand your problem with the garden scene and Satan. Surely, you don't have a problem believing he was tempting Jesus in the garden from fulfilling His prophecy, do you? I know it's not specifically stated in the Bible, but I wouldn't call it a stretch. Given that, Satan taking the form of a snake, and Jesus "crushing him with his heal" isn't either. I've heard theories on Satan with the baby, mostly as symbolism. I'm kind of surprised you said you liked it, since you didn't really have anything positive to say about it. The violence was horrible, but what could be more horrible than a Roman crucifixion?
 
mjjcb said:
NJBeliever said:
I actually did like the movie when I first saw it but it's unbiblical. Satan was never in the garden of Gethsemane taunting Jesus. He also was not androgynous holding a baby (the antichrist??). And there as no snake slitehring in there either. We also see numerous scenes of Jesus suffering with Mary positioned directly above or parallel to Him in another room or outside. The whole "co-redemptrix" theme.
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I hope Nick is not still reading, or we'll give away the ending. Okay, Nick. In the end, Jesus rises from the grave. Sorry, I hate to be a spoiler. ;)

NJB, the stuff with Mary is the kind of stuff I was able to look away from, and I could deal with the scene when He's being crucified and the cross is held suspended before it hits the ground (like angels were holding it from slamming down, I suppose).

I don't understand your problem with the garden scene and Satan. Surely, you don't have a problem believing he was tempting Jesus in the garden from fulfilling His prophecy, do you? I know it's not specifically stated in the Bible, but I wouldn't call it a stretch. Given that, Satan taking the form of a snake, and Jesus "crushing him with his heal" isn't either. I've heard theories on Satan with the baby, mostly as symbolism. I'm kind of surprised you said you liked it, since you didn't really have anything positive to say about it. The violence was horrible, but what could be more horrible than a Roman crucifixion?
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it was meant to be horrible, made me think about the death of the Lord in a different light.
 
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I used to watch a lot of the old movies with Bible themes. But when I started to read the Bible itself, I stopped watching those kind of movies. Not because they're not good movies. I think they are. And they are very realistic. And that is the trouble for me. They are realistic. So realistic that they interfere with the impression of events that I get from the Bible itself. There is one movie based on the Gospel of Luke that supposedly uses the words of the Bible itself. But there is still the interpretation given by the director and actors of those words. So I won't watch such movies.

I do not say that no one else should watch them. This is entirely a personal matter. But to me the Bible describes the real events in the way that God wants us to understand them. The movies are, as they always are, fictional portrayals, no matter how much they try to base the movie on real events. Other movies that are not based on Bible themes i can watch without qualm because they are also fictional portrayals that have no bearing on what I personally believe that the Bible is describing. I may personally disagree with certain aspects of the philosophy of those fictional portrayals, but i realize that they are just fictional portrayals.

JamesG
 
James, I hear what you're saying. I really do, especially with films, the way they take a story and add to the lure of it for audiences.

JamesG said:
.But to me the Bible describes the real events in the way that God wants us to understand them. The movies are, as they always are, fictional portrayals, no matter how much they try to base the movie on real events. JamesG
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But if you're going to stick to biblical word only, it seems to me that you would have to dismiss all books outside of the Bible, fiction and nonfiction, as everyone aims to explain the Bible by adding their own words and interpretation of them. Maybe you do only read the Bible, and that's great.

Overall, the intent of this movie was to give you, the viewer, the most intense understanding of the emotional and physical torture our Lord allowed on Himself for us. Some of that is extrapolation from the accounts of the passion, but with what we know of Roman crucifixion, it can be reasonably assumed to be very close to accurate. When you love Jesus as we do, and you see the brutal torture and prolonged execution of our Lord, it is overwhelmingly emotional. In the theater, you heard people gasping and crying all around you.

I liked The Gospel of Luke for the reason you stated, but The Passion cuts to the heart of me, seeing the portrayal of what my Savior did for me. People left the movie without a word. You only heard sniffles in the silence.
 
being a vet, sadly i have a switch in my head , so to speak, that i turn on or off.if i need to help someone that is rather messed up, i turn it on and not feel for them, so that i can function. with the passion i allowed that suffering to get to me. it did.

the pastor of my church a tender man, was so bothered by the suffering that he had to go home to pray the church showed it on good friday.

he has watched that movie 6 times. and each time it gets to him. to be able feel like that again will take miracle again for me.

the lord has been healing me of the effects of war. you get calloused.
 
I really like "The Passion", yes there is some artistic liberty taken, but I agree it's not really a stretch to imagine satan trying to tempt Jesus in the garden. Also, the snake was there for symbolism, when Jesus crushed the snake with his heel, it was to fulfill Gen 3:15. Whether it really happened or not isn't the point, it was in line with scripture, even though Jesus may not have literally crushed a serpent's head in the garden. Remember, it is a work of art.

With regard to the logo, I'm pretty sure that's a picture of Mary. Well, Mel's a Catholic so what can ya do. He's a flawed man, but this film has touched so many around the world for Jesus Christ it is incredible. When he couldn't raise the money for the project, he decided to fund it himself. He was very passionate about getting it made. Hats off to him, only the Lord knows how many got saved because of this film. And how many backslidden Christians' passions were re-kindled for the Lord.
 
faithtransforms said:
I really like "The Passion", yes there is some artistic liberty taken, but I agree it's not really a stretch to imagine satan trying to tempt Jesus in the garden. Also, the snake was there for symbolism, when Jesus crushed the snake with his heel, it was to fulfill Gen 3:15. Whether it really happened or not isn't the point, it was in line with scripture, even though Jesus may not have literally crushed a serpent's head in the garden. Remember, it is a work of art.

With regard to the logo, I'm pretty sure that's a picture of Mary. Well, Mel's a Catholic so what can ya do. He's a flawed man, but this film has touched so many around the world for Jesus Christ it is incredible. When he couldn't raise the money for the project, he decided to fund it himself. He was very passionate about getting it made. Hats off to him, only the Lord knows how many got saved because of this film. And how many backslidden Christians' passions were re-kindled for the Lord.
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I think I'll try and get it out this week.
 
faithtransforms said:
I really like "The Passion", yes there is some artistic liberty taken, but I agree it's not really a stretch to imagine satan trying to tempt Jesus in the garden. Also, the snake was there for symbolism, when Jesus crushed the snake with his heel, it was to fulfill Gen 3:15. Whether it really happened or not isn't the point, it was in line with scripture, even though Jesus may not have literally crushed a serpent's head in the garden. Remember, it is a work of art.

With regard to the logo, I'm pretty sure that's a picture of Mary. Well, Mel's a Catholic so what can ya do. He's a flawed man, but this film has touched so many around the world for Jesus Christ it is incredible. When he couldn't raise the money for the project, he decided to fund it himself. He was very passionate about getting it made. Hats off to him, only the Lord knows how many got saved because of this film. And how many backslidden Christians' passions were re-kindled for the Lord.
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Well said :thumb :thumb :thumb
 
I read many Muslims liked the movie because it depicts Jews in a bad light. What was funny about this is that they got caught in their own game. Many turned to Jesus, they went in for the wrong reasons but came out with the right ones!!! .

Also Jim Cavizel had to convince Mel, and Jim in an interview said how he told Mel that he was 33 and his initials were J.C.

Mel said: ''You're freaking me out.'' Also lightning struck Jim Cavizel twice while shooting on the cross.

When I herd this, I sensed that there was an amazing anointing on this movie. And that Zachariah 12 was being fulfilled. In that people would mourn for Him like their firstborn child. And many mourned.

Jim Cavizel is also a Christian in the RCC.
 
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