What's new
By:
Filters
Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

"THE PAULINE DOCTRINE

O

ozell

Member
"THE PAULINE DOCTRINE"

In this world of modern Christianity people refuse to read their bibles for themselves, instead they rely solely on their preacher. And that’s sad because most preachers don’t do in-depth studying of the bibles themselves instead they rely on prewritten sermons some of which can be found at the neighborhood bible bookstore.

There are only a few preachers that actually teach the true uncut word of God. And when the average preacher does go into the bible most only want to read the writings of Paul. And they don’t even read all of Paul’s writing.

They’ll read a verse or two here and there and try and build a doctrine on it. These are what we call selective readers, reading only what they think will support their false teachings. You can read to them straight scriptures out of the bible and straight statements that Jesus himself made, and they will look you in the eye and say, but Paul said! I got news for you; there is nowhere in the bible where Paul contradicts the word of God. And if you think there is then you need to do a more in-depth study of the scriptures.

Paul’s place in the kingdom of God is guaranteed, can you make the same statement? It’s best you realized that Paul has no kingdom to put you in nor does he have a lake of fire to torment you in. Now we are going to take a close look at some of Paul’s writings, and the bible will clearly show you that it is on the same accord with the rest of the writers of God’s holy word.

First of all God had Peter to clearly warn you about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now you need to take heed to this warning, you can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on one or two verse out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.
 
ozell said:
"THE PAULINE DOCTRINE"

In this world of modern Christianity people refuse to read their bibles for themselves, instead they rely solely on their preacher. And that’s sad because most preachers don’t do in-depth studying of the bibles themselves instead they rely on prewritten sermons some of which can be found at the neighborhood bible bookstore.

There are only a few preachers that actually teach the true uncut word of God. And when the average preacher does go into the bible most only want to read the writings of Paul. And they don’t even read all of Paul’s writing.

They’ll read a verse or two here and there and try and build a doctrine on it. These are what we call selective readers, reading only what they think will support their false teachings. You can read to them straight scriptures out of the bible and straight statements that Jesus himself made, and they will look you in the eye and say, but Paul said! I got news for you; there is nowhere in the bible where Paul contradicts the word of God. And if you think there is then you need to do a more in-depth study of the scriptures.

Paul’s place in the kingdom of God is guaranteed, can you make the same statement? It’s best you realized that Paul has no kingdom to put you in nor does he have a lake of fire to torment you in. Now we are going to take a close look at some of Paul’s writings, and the bible will clearly show you that it is on the same accord with the rest of the writers of God’s holy word.

First of all God had Peter to clearly warn you about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now you need to take heed to this warning, you can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on one or two verse out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.
Click to expand...


Yes, I have seen this myself. Paul speaks truth, but that truth is easily misunderstood when it is read in isolation from the rest of the Word. Whole doctrines are formulated on what Paul preached...but they aren't based on what Paul said...only on what he seemed to say. It's a shame. :shame
 
"Paul concerning the Sabbath"
(Rom. 1:1) Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God. Paul is a minister (servant) of Jesus Christ. Paul is a servant; just as you and I are suppose to be. Paul is the created he is not the creator.

Listening to some of the preachers of today you would think the words of Paul have more authority than the words of (God) Jesus. It was Jesus that gave you the seventh day Sabbath, yes Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. And I can prove that but that’s another lesson for another time.

(Gen. 2:1-3) (v.1) THUS the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (v.2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (v.3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. It was God that sanctified (set apart) the seventh day of the week.

The first six days of the week didn’t have names (they are now all named after Roman pagan gods) they were called by numbers 1-6. But the seventh day was called the sabbath which simply means “restâ€.

(Ex. 20:8-11) (v.8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (v.9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (v.10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thou thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thou maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (v.11) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
This is the sabbath day of the Lord God of this bible and every seventh day of the week (Saturday) is holy, that’s what hallowed means. And the Apostle Paul understood this he knew and kept Gods law including the seventh day sabbath.

Now lets take a look at; (Acts 13:13-15, 42, 44) (v.13) Now when Paul and his company loosed from Pa’-phus, they came to Per’-ga in Pam-phyl’-I-a: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem. (v.14) But when they departed from Per’-ga, they came to An’-ti-och in Pi-sid’-I-a, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. Paul went into the church (synagogue) on the sabbath day the seventh day not the first day (Sunday). (v.15) And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (v.42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. The Gentiles didn’t asked Paul to come preach us something different next Sunday.

They wanted Paul to preach to them the same thing that he taught the Jews, the next sabbath. Even the Gentiles knew that if they were going to serve the same God that Paul and the Jews (Israelites) served that they would have to serve him on the day that God had set up. (v.42) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Not the next Sunday but the next sabbath.

(Acts 17:1-2) (v.2) Now when they had passed through Am-phip’-o-lis and Ap-ol-lo’-ni-a, they came to Thes-sa-lo-ni’-ca, where was a synagogue of the Jews: (v.2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Now Paul evidently was around Thes-sa-lo-ni'-ca for a few weeks and as his manner was he went into the synagogue three sabbath days. Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion.
 
It was the law. Paul went into the synagogue every sabbath, not every Sunday people, this is the apostle Paul, and it said that Paul reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

I wonder why Paul didn't enlighten them with some 1 Corinthians, or maybe hit them with some Galatians, or endow them with a little 2 Thessalonians, because these books were not around when Paul was preaching the gospel. He reasoned with them out of the scriptures, which are from Genesis to Malachi.

(Acts 18:1, 4) (v.1) After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; (v.4) And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Why is Paul continuing to go into the church on the sabbath? Because that’s when everybody that dealt with the God of this bible held their holy convocations, every sabbath (Saturday).

That’s why you had the Jews (Israelites) and the Greeks (strangers) in the church on the sabbath day. Now we have read in several places that proved Paul without any doubt whatsoever kept the seventh day sabbath which is Saturday.
 
Ah, so this is about the Sabbath.

Many Jews continued practicing the Sabbath out of tradition, but the Sabbath was fulfilled by Jesus' coming. He is the Lord of the Sabbath and has become our Sabbath rest. Everyday is now the Lord's day and Christians are no longer asked to keep one day holy above another.
 
glorydaz said:
Ah, so this is about the Sabbath.

Many Jews continued practicing the Sabbath out of tradition, but the Sabbath was fulfilled by Jesus' coming. He is the Lord of the Sabbath and has become our Sabbath rest. Everyday is now the Lord's day and Christians are no longer asked to keep one day holy above another.
Click to expand...

Exactly, which is what Paul was teaching in Col.2.

Col 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.(KJV)

Those who can keep a Saturday sabbath, fine, go to. And if you feel you can't be saved by Christ unless you do, then you put yourself back in bondage of wanting to be justified by the law. Christ said the sabbath was made for... man, not man for... the sabbath.

Mark 2:27-28
27 And He said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
(KJV)
 
1 Corinthians 9:18-24 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my right in the gospel. For though I am free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law of Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you. Know you not that they who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? So run, that you may obtain.
 
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath

Both are not identical. What is like saying Jesus is Lord of the world, so he is the world.
He is Lord of the Sabbath, he is not the Sabbath, that is twisting the scriptures.

Let's look at what people actually do, not what they think they're doing: Sunday observance
Sunday observance is the tradition of men. It's a "christian" tradition invented by humanity.

Mark 7:8  For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Colossians 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

"Those who can keep a Saturday sabbath, fine, go to. And if you feel you can't be saved by Christ unless you do, then you put yourself back in bondage of wanting to be justified by the law."

What is a no-brainer. We all agree.

Now think a step further and replace that thought with any other of the 10 commandments. Have we stopped killing people because we feel we cannot be saved by Christ unless we do? Do we put ourselves back in bondage if we stop killing people ? Is that our motive?
 
Geo said:
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath

Both are not identical. What is like saying Jesus is Lord of the world, so he is the world.
He is Lord of the Sabbath, he is not the Sabbath, that is twisting the scriptures.

Let's look at what people actually do, not what they think they're doing: Sunday observance
Sunday observance is the tradition of men. It's a "christian" tradition invented by humanity.

Mark 7:8  For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Colossians 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

"Those who can keep a Saturday sabbath, fine, go to. And if you feel you can't be saved by Christ unless you do, then you put yourself back in bondage of wanting to be justified by the law."

What is a no-brainer. We all agree.

Now think a step further and replace that thought with any other of the 10 commandments. Have we stopped killing people because we feel we cannot be saved by Christ unless we do? Do we put ourselves back in bondage if we stop killing people ? Is that our motive?
Click to expand...

It isn't twisting scripture just because you don't get it.
 
I as a bible student have examined the bible testimonies on the first day of the week, there are eight to be exact, and without exception they are silent as to any of the disciples observing Sunday as a holy day.

How is it possible that these accounts, written over 40 years after the crucifixion, have neglected to mention Sunday sacredness?

There is no biblical support for the changing of God’s holy sabbath from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday).
 
The Acts of the Apostles is the second book attributed to Luke, I believe written about 80-90 A.D., we now come to one of the most frequently quoted verses of Paul to support the false teaching of the sacredness of Sunday: (Acts: 20: 7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Now let’s take a close look at this verse and dissect it a little. Notice Paul continued his speech until midnight! It was after sunset, but prior to midnight.
 
The first day of the week in biblical times did not begin at midnight, as men begin it today. The Lord’s days begin and end at evening (sunset). (Gen. 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first.

All biblical days began and ended at sunset. Throughout the Roman world at that time, and for a few hundred years afterward, days began and ended at sunset. The practice of beginning the new day at midnight was started much later.

So this meeting, and Paul’s preaching, took place during the time that we now call Saturday night.

Remember when dealing with the Lord’s days the evening comes first. If you read more than just that one verse you would see what actually happen. Paul’s companions were engaged in the labor of rowing and sailing a boat while Paul was preaching that Saturday night and early Sunday.

They had set sail Saturday night, after the sabbath had ended.
 
I am just so thankful that the Lord has freed me from this legalism, that I do not have to count the hours and calculate when a "holy day" is going to start. I am so glad that I am not bound by religious ceremony regarding what to eat and not to eat and this day or that day.

When I found out that the REST of God , mentioned in Hebrews, was the rest a Christian must have when he or she trusts the promises and had nothing to do with a day . I then saw that the Old Testament Sabbath indeed pointed spiritually towards this attitude of "doing nothing", because God has already taken care of the problem.

Faith in the done works of the cross, brings the mature Christian into the spiritual Sabbath, there he REST from his own efforts, and RESTS in the fact that God is faithful to bring His Word to pass.

The literal Sabbath was a figure, a shadow , of the spiritual truth .
 
Cornelius, thank you! That was a very good, abridged explanation of the Sabbath on this side of the Cross. It didn't require a whole list of scripture, but rather, an understanding of the Gospel given to Paul by the Lord, Himself. :amen

The literal Sabbath was a figure, a shadow , of the spiritual truth .
Click to expand...
 
Vic C. said:
Cornelius, thank you! That was a very good, abridged explanation of the Sabbath on this side of the Cross. It didn't require a whole list of scripture, but rather, an understanding of the Gospel given to Paul by the Lord, Himself. :amen

The literal Sabbath was a figure, a shadow , of the spiritual truth .
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

I'll just add my amen to this one. :amen
 
I as a bible student have examined the bible testimonies on the first day of the week, there are eight to be exact, and without exception they are silent as to any of the disciples observing Sunday as a holy day.

How is it possible that these accounts, written over 40 years after the crucifixion, have neglected to mention Sunday sacredness?

There is no biblical support for the changing of God’s holy sabbath from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday).
Click to expand...

I highly doubt God would not approve of our fellowship with other believers on Sunday simply because it was not Saturday. The whole notion is absurd and in no way follows what Jesus taught on the Spirit of the laws.
 
I highly doubt God would not approve of our fellowship with other believers on Sunday simply because it was not Saturday. The whole notion is absurd and in no way follows what Jesus taught on the Spirit of the laws.
Click to expand...

:thumb Yep. :D
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top