The Police Officer

[Kenny_ms]

Reba, respectfully, on being treated badly/being targeted by cops or anyone for that matter because you are or appear poor, it does happen.

Some people, not just cops have a tendency to abuse people that can do them no good at all. Of course to me, these are people who we shouldn't care what they think because of what they are but, they are still out there.

These people are generally, as I see it anyway, very insecure, kind of like a school yard bully picking on the kid that can't afford to dress as others or whatever physically shows they are poor.

Cops are people and do the same thing people do.

 

[jasonc]

I think a lot of it is social class. Speaking as someone who has been targeted by the police, being poor=potential victim, big time. I was once pulled over for not turning my lights on soon enough upon pulling out of the parking area for my apt. complex. So, I get out...some cop who has a problem with me has a big dog and is screaming at me. I ended up getting a $108 ticket.

This is how poor people are treated. There are race issues, but I think the main issue is poverty and growing inequality in America. Not only are more people sliding out of the middle and working classes, there's more contempt towards the poor, probably because of economic conditions. For instance, "good people" have kids; poor people "breed." See what I'm saying?

I disagree, im not saying that doesn't happen but I also live in one the wealthiest counties in the state per capita. I cant just walk the streets on the beach and not be challenged by the homeowners. despite it being public. they will ask, yet despite that, I have broken speed limits, ran stop signs in my truck that appears very broken. all the lights work. yet the paint is coming off and the body rusts. I have had no tickets in that truck. I have had warnings. I ran a stop sign and was warned. if the officer gave me a ticket, I was in the wrong. he wasn't following me. he saw me from the rear mirror run that stop sign and turned around and pulled me over. no profiling cause I was poor. sure the rich can get away with some things. that will never go away. at best we can minimize it. would you write the police chief a ticket? your pastor? your son? brother?

 

[jasonc]

http://www.everydreamhasaprice.com/pdfs/Floyd Point of Light.pdf

 

[jasonc]

I have few more to post about him. he attends my church mens group meeting monthly. I have talked to him while working Gifford. rather then arrest the pot heads, crack heads with kids, I have asked if I can point them out to him and he works with them to stop.

 

[reba]

Live in a world with out cops... then we would have no problems right? Blaming cops because bad guys are bad guys just doesn't make sense to me... I am not so dumb to think every cop is a good guy.. i have had dealings with cops..the justice system ... The cops did not make the poor poor... the cops dont ask them to hang on the street corners etc..... I contend if a person is being/acting respectful s/he will be treated respectfully...

 

[Kenny_ms]

Live in a world with out cops... then we would have no problems right? Blaming cops because bad guys are bad guys just doesn't make sense to me...

The cops did not make the poor poor...

Who even indicated any of that?

I am not so dumb to think every cop is a good guy.

I hope not and again, don't think anyone thought that.

I contend if a person is being/acting respectful s/he will be treated respectfully...

I see.

I almost feel I need to apologize for a little disagreement there, Reba?

 

[iLOVE]

Romans 13:4 NKJV tells us that the police officer is a minister of God for our good. My question is why is there a rising disconnect between the police officer and citizens? What does the word of God say about this subject?

The Living Word and the Written Word calls it sin on both sides. The only solution to sin is the Cross of Christ. The sin nature and the works of the flesh always produce self-righteousness. In fact every direction other than the Cross of Christ always without exception leads to self-righteousness. Is it that Christians do not understand the Cross or are refusing to live under the Cross. As I stated several times before, once you leave the Cross to fix the problem...on your best day all you can do is patch it up! You cannot fix it. Because only the Cross deals with sin.

The book of Revelation in the bible says the whole world is being deceived by Satan through witchcraft and sorcery. So if God is not first in your life in all things beginning with love, your are 100% being deceived! That includes Christian police officers and Christian citizens.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Live in a world with out cops... then we would have no problems right? Blaming cops because bad guys are bad guys just doesn't make sense to me... I am not so dumb to think every cop is a good guy.. i have had dealings with cops..the justice system ... The cops did not make the poor poor... the cops dont ask them to hang on the street corners etc..... I contend if a person is being/acting respectful s/he will be treated respectfully...

And we are "good". Hello? Why the need for a savior?

 

[jasonc]

And we are "good". Hello? Why the need for a savior?

so the church folk don't break laws. pastors don't steal? Christians don't fall into criminal acts? she isn't saying anyone is perfect just using common sense. law and order must be for any society. jesus didn't command anyone to form a Christian anarcho state.

 

[LovethroughDove]

He said his kingdom his not of this world, and you speak from this world.

 

[Malachi]

being poor does not make one a target for the cops.....

If we want to be brutally honest, there is one justice system for the elite and another for the plebs. There is one justice system for the upper echelons of crime and another for the lowlifes. And there are many instances where police wrong-doing is covered up instead of being honestly addressed.

The problem is that the good cops are part of a system that does not reward genuine police work, and that's because the judges believe that the rights of criminals supersede the rights of victims. And then there are the travesties of justice like the O.J. Simpson farce, but again had the evidence been handled *by the book*, things could have turned out differently.

 

[Kenny_ms]

law and order must be for any society.

Of course it should, no one here said all or even most cops were bad, I'd dare say most are either just fine or even good. And no one said or so much as indicated we not have cops/law and order.

Honestly, I'm at a loss here???

 

[jasonc]

He said his kingdom his not of this world, and you speak from this world.

in all 50 its a crime not aid if called upon to stop or report some crimes. do you seriously believe that if you were raped, and dying I should do nothing if im able to report and render aid? if I saw the man in the very act. just pray. don't call the cops and act. oh and I have done that. I have reported a fight and go involved as much as I could without violating safety laws. for some who preaches that, you sure don't believe that as you use an avatar and believe that we are all bad. what is there to be that concerned about if we don't need law enforcement? oh its because of safety. I don't mind you using an alias. but that is a bit contradictory since you are anonomyous posting on the sin of my thinking about the law enforcement need to be in the world. im a realist. I see things as jesus does, but jesus preached love not foolish and unnecessary risk unless its led by him. have you gone into the murderious areas an preached? I have. remember that prayer thread about Gifford. I walked that one day years ago by myself handing out flyers. risky yes, yet I wasn't harmed. I saw users and things, as I do when I read the routes. I don't have to start a fight. I don't. I avoid any confrontation. sorry some of us are of the disposition to be peace officers or military.

you are clearly aren't. that's fine but don't bash those that are. I don't do music in the form of worship as Im not gifted for that. I do think there can be issues with modern worship songs and ministries but if one is truly called into that. go for it!

one can be a cop and be compassionate in the jails and on the street. I posted an article about a saved deputy that does just that. he does try not to arrest and help the poor move out of their plight. he mentors kids. that is to be commended.

 

[Kenny_ms]

law and order must be for any society.

Honestly, I'm at a loss here???

Of course it should, no one here said all or even most cops were bad, I'd dare say most are either just fine or even good. And no one said or so much as indicated we not have cops/law and order.

 

[jasonc]

law and order must be for any society.

Of course it should, no one here said all or even most cops were bad, I'd dare say most are either just fine or even good. And no one said or so much as indicated we not have cops.

Honestly, I'm at a loss here???

you didn't. the other did. you cant expect that a cop plans to start crap if he is honestly trying to arrest I already posted the rules of force. its like this any simple arrest can turn deadly. case in point a kid was running from a ticket and on a motorcycle and was killed by his own actions. the cops rather then risk their lives and others broke away. the kid liked to run from the cops. he was going to get a speeding ticket and yet whose fault was it? HIS. I remember that incident as a friend told me about it. he hit a guard rail that it severed his leg instantly at the knee. why was he running? fun? we may never know.

 

[jasonc]

If we want to be brutally honest, there is one justice system for the elite and another for the plebs. There is one justice system for the upper echelons of crime and another for the lowlifes. And there are many instances where police wrong-doing is covered up instead of being honestly addressed.

The problem is that the good cops are part of a system that does not reward genuine police work, and that's because the judges believe that the rights of criminals supersede the rights of victims. And then there are the travesties of justice like the O.J. Simpson farce, but again had the evidence been handled *by the book*, things could have turned out differently.

I was going to get to that. yes in general I see that can be. its sad but if a judge's son or daughter is caught with a dui. nothing will happen. I hate that. same with some other small crimes. or they get the afluenza sentencing. that has been the case in some shape or form since 1789.

 

[Kenny_ms]

you didn't. the other did.

OK, lets back up here...exactly what was said that some seemed to take offense to, and/or what you are answering to?

 

[LovethroughDove]

I don't mind you using an alias. but that is a bit contradictory since you are anonomyous posting on the sin of my thinking about the law enforcement need to be in the world.

The Holy Spirit wants me anonymous. Anytime I am posting to you, I am doing it out of my love for you. I'm not joking.

 

[Deborah13]

I assume they run psychological testing on potentials before hiring and maybe the tests were fine

Well, you would think so and do a though background check. But it appears that sometimes even the background check doesn't work.
"Records from the Independence Police Department obtained by CNN include comments from a supervisor detailing what they called "a pattern of lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions," a "dangerous loss of composure during live range training" and an "inability to manage personal stress."

"I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies," Independence Deputy Chief Jim Polak wrote in a November 2012 memo."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/justice/cleveland-police-officer-timothy-loehmann/

 

[jasonc]

The Holy Spirit wants me anonymous. Anytime I am posting to you, I am doing it out of my love for you. I'm not joking.

I don't buy that. I have been cyber bullied for stating facts about lies to told the very citizens I worked for. I use a pseudo name when post on local issues. here its a short form of my first and last name.

if the Holy Spirit tells you that the word is that bad then you should see that even though there is corruption on the system there is nothing wrong with the idea of a cop doing the job. working where work has its share of corruption,
case in point.
shut off notices when given to a church. church don't pay. they loose water or power
yet if its a friend of a politician they make a call and that doesn't happen. I have gone the poorest areas and given notice, and the wealthiest. I have not much love for the wealthy when they can be. pity for the poor in Gifford when they cant pay or pay late. so no matter one works there will be some form of favoritism.