Bible Study The Rapture

[reba]

Are you saying He could just come and go?
But this has to do with the rapture.
Is the rapture true?
I never thought about the end times too much.
But many here speak about this.
Is it important?

My thoughts only deal with rapture in that we say He is only returning once... Before some one decides i am totally nuts I do believe in our Lords return... I tend not to use the term 'rapture' as there are so many differing theories ..
I like the 'study' of end times.. ones end times beliefs are not unto salvation..it is how we read/hear the Word.. it is a fun topic..

 

[GodsGrace]

My thoughts only deal with rapture in that we say He is only returning once... Before some one decides i am totally nuts I do believe in our Lords return... I tend not to use the term 'rapture' as there are so many differing theories ..
I like the 'study' of end times.. ones end times beliefs are not unto salvation..it is how we read/hear the Word.. it is a fun topic..

Yes. It has nothing to do with salvation.
Maybe I'll be looking into this...

 

[Willie T]

One of the things I find the most humorous about this whole "Rapture" joke is that if you honestly do let Scripture interpret Scripture (a gigantically important concept), most of our 21st Century interpretations get blown completely out of the water, "Coming on the clouds" is the most obvious one. Then you have the "Stars and Moon going dark." Instead of seeing those things in our modern-day thought, if you go find out what those expressions or phrases meant in other verses of the Bible, it just destroys what you are trying to claim

 

[GodsGrace]

One of the things I find the most humorous about this whole "Rapture" joke is that if you honestly do let Scripture interpret Scripture (a gigantically important concept), most of our 21st Century interpretations get blown completely out of the water, "Coming on the clouds" is the most obvious one. Then you have the "Stars and Moon going dark." Instead of seeing those things in our modern-day thought, if you go find out what those expressions or phrases meant in other verses of the Bible, it just destroys what you are trying to claim

So.....
Are you telling me I'll be wasting my time???
I don't like this new fandangled Christianity anyway.
I think we're getting a little carried away with ourselves...

 

[reba]

So.....
Are you telling me I'll be wasting my time???
I don't like this new fandangled Christianity anyway.
I think we're getting a little carried away with ourselves...

I think he is saying the study is very interesting..

 

[Willie T]

So.....
Are you telling me I'll be wasting my time???
I don't like this new fandangled Christianity anyway.
I think we're getting a little carried away with ourselves...

I am saying if we ignore what the Scriptural meanings of words, expressions and phrases actually meant back then , and instead attempt to apply 2017 interpretations to those words, expressions, and phrases, then we end up with nothing near what the original authors meant.

 

[Jim Parker]

I am saying if we ignore what the Scriptural meanings of words, expressions and phrases actually meant back then , and instead attempt to apply 2017 interpretations to those words, expressions, and phrases, then we end up with nothing near what the original authors meant.

 

[jasonc]

I am saying if we ignore what the Scriptural meanings of words, expressions and phrases actually meant back then , and instead attempt to apply 2017 interpretations to those words, expressions, and phrases, then we end up with nothing near what the original authors meant.

you mean hagee, the others are wrong? imagine that.

 

[GodsGrace]

I am saying if we ignore what the Scriptural meanings of words, expressions and phrases actually meant back then , and instead attempt to apply 2017 interpretations to those words, expressions, and phrases, then we end up with nothing near what the original authors meant.

Absolutely!

 

[jasonc]

and the stars fought in their courses against sisera...

and joseph had a dream of 12 stars,,

and in that day, shall the sun go dark and the clouds roll back and the mountains melt.. I believe that is reference to the judgement and destruction of edom. which happened before the coming of the Lord .

 

[Jim Parker]

you mean hagee, the others are wrong? imagine that.

Because he makes really good money preaching that stuff?

1Ti 6:3-5 If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among men who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

1Ti 6:9-10 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and hurtful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.

 

[jasonc]

Because he makes really good money preaching that stuff?

1Ti 6:3-5 If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among men who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

1Ti 6:9-10 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and hurtful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.

I'm not sure if he is in it for the money or believes that as its taught these days in seminary. its rare to find a pastor who isn't a type of tribber.

 

[Jim Parker]

I'm not sure if he is in it for the money or believes that as its taught these days in seminary. its rare to find a pastor who isn't a type of tribber.

If you go to Dallas Theological Seminary, that's what you get. I think it's standard fare for most Baptist denominations as well as Pentecostals.

"My faith is based on nothing less
than Scofield's notes
and Scripture Press."

 

[jasonc]

If you go to Dallas Theological Seminary, that's what you get. I think it's standard fare for most Baptist denominations as well as Pentecostals.

"My faith is based on nothing less
than Scofield's notes
and Scripture Press."

reba , this is verbatim of what Hitch would post or say to me.

 

[for_his_glory]

IS there a scripture/passage that says He will return only once?

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev Chapter 19: 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Also 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

My question is where are the scriptures that say Jesus is returning twice?

 

[reba]

I agree for_his_glory they dont say either way..

 

[for_his_glory]

My thoughts only deal with rapture in that we say He is only returning once... Before some one decides i am totally nuts I do believe in our Lords return... I tend not to use the term 'rapture' as there are so many differing theories ..
I like the 'study' of end times.. ones end times beliefs are not unto salvation..it is how we read/hear the Word.. it is a fun topic..

I like digging into the end times as I've been doing this for over 20 years now as it also prepares us for those signs to look for.

 

[reba]

yup me too.. I know from your postings you are more scholarly then me...

 

[jasonc]

yup me too.. I know from your postings you are more scholarly then me...

You have Hitch

 

[Chopper]

I took this from a web site. It is my understanding. This explains better than I can.
http://www.seekgod.ca/hr/hrfaqs1.htm
In the second chapter of Corinthians we see where Paul lists three differences between these two covenants.


2Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.


...6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:


8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

What Paul was saying was that the Old Covenant which was engraved in stones was glorious but that the ministry of the Spirit was more glorious, because the glory of the ministry of the law given Moses was passing away .The glory of the New overshadows the glory of the old. Thus we see that the first was a temporary one whose glory passed away, yet the New being eternal, remains.

The Old was a ministry of condemnation (v9) and death (v7), the New is the ministry of life(v6) and righteousness(v9).The law is holy but due to man´s inability to adhere to it, it became a ministry of death, showing us that man can never be righteous by his own efforts. As Isaiah the prophet said, all our righteousness is as filthy rags. Hence the need for God to provide the only way to Him, based on the righteousness of Christ.

It has been suggested that some who propagate the faulty scholarship regarding renew do so because if it is called a renewed covenant, they can then justify telling their adherents that they have to obey the Torah of Moses given at Sinai. Those who don't agree are considered non-believers and lost.

Some posit that God would never break His promise, so the Mosaic law or old covenant is still in effect. It is true that God cannot break His Word, which is what sealed the covenant with Abraham, Moses and for all other covenants. But people do break their word and promises, and the Scriptures do show that Israel was not faithful in keeping the Mosaic covenant. God repeatedly prefaced His instructions with "if" you do this, or "if" you don't.

God showed He could change the covenant because of their disobedience--and He broke it so that a better way would be known.

My studies and convictions are in the ancient Hebrew, not the modern Hebrew of which http://www.seekgod.ca/hr/hrfaqs1.htm uses as well as the Greek Renewed Covenant.