The Real Jesus

[Randy]

In Mary God our Father put on flesh.

John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Because the One doing this was no Son but our Father.

John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.



Sure. It is our Father giving us the Bread. Not the Son. As it is the Father that is the Provider and not the Son.

John 6
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.





I know. I was also taught this from the tradition. I just accepted it because I could see "it was the truth". And i actually never asked Dad about it. But this One was actually your Dad.






I know. I am just giving my side of the story. I am not forcing anything.




You are Jesus.

Without this knowledge you will forever misuse the Bread that was given, The Name that was given and the Life that was given. You will for always try to be what you are not. You are not good and never will be. It is all in being a Christian. Being Christ.

And you will not pray the one and only prayer in Truth. And your Relationship will always be lacking from that of Jesus. Because you are not Jesus.

Mat. 6
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

There is just nobody else to include in this prayer. I did it. Jesus was the main "god". I mean. He died for my sins. I just "loved" him. Not giving my Father the Love that He was due. Because it was actually Him that "did the works". And I loved to "honor" the 'holy spirit". He was my guidance. Not knowing that it was actually my Loving Father guiding His Child. And the "spirit gave birth to me". Not knowing that it is only a Father that can give birth.

And we have to admit it is from the tradition, doctrines and religions. Man's understanding of Jesus.

You never struggled to be a human being. You were born one. So the struggle in being Christ is just because you were never born Christ. It is all a Life in Faith. You can not be what you don't believe you are. Now you have to add in your own effort what you should have had in Faith. Faith is the Creation Power of God. But God only create what we accept and believe in. Love can never be forced. Love needs to be accepted.

Your Dad gave you the Name above all Names. But have you accepted it yet. Or are you "nameless"? A Christian without being The Christ? A human being calling Himself "Christian". A sad story. It shows. Because it is tradition at work.

Do you believe in the preexistence of the Son as a "being" ?
Became flesh = A body was prepared for Him
John referred to the Jesus they saw and touched as the "word of life" Jesus still is the word of life. He was not a word that was made flesh rather He was a being (spirit) and a body was prepared for Him. His Spirit was in the tent of the body God prepared for Him.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, HE said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
"Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

I have the Spirit of Christ in me and we are one. But that Spirit is not my spirit. I am not Jesus. The Spirit of God in me does not follow my will but the will of the mind of the Spirit. My spirit follows the will of my mind. I do not have the authority and power of God.

I did not accept Jesus by tradition but by faith. I was steered to Jesus as a very very young age and something took. Because as far back as my memory goes I have loved and believed in Him. I still talk or pray to Jesus to this very day. He answers prayer and knows me and is very aware of even my innermost thoughts.

 

[for_his_glory]

In Mary God our Father put on flesh.

John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Because the One doing this was no Son but our Father.

John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.



Sure. It is our Father giving us the Bread. Not the Son. As it is the Father that is the Provider and not the Son.

John 6
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.





I know. I was also taught this from the tradition. I just accepted it because I could see "it was the truth". And i actually never asked Dad about it. But this One was actually your Dad.






I know. I am just giving my side of the story. I am not forcing anything.




You are Jesus.

Without this knowledge you will forever misuse the Bread that was given, The Name that was given and the Life that was given. You will for always try to be what you are not. You are not good and never will be. It is all in being a Christian. Being Christ.

And you will not pray the one and only prayer in Truth. And your Relationship will always be lacking from that of Jesus. Because you are not Jesus.

Mat. 6
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

There is just nobody else to include in this prayer. I did it. Jesus was the main "god". I mean. He died for my sins. I just "loved" him. Not giving my Father the Love that He was due. Because it was actually Him that "did the works". And I loved to "honor" the 'holy spirit". He was my guidance. Not knowing that it was actually my Loving Father guiding His Child. And the "spirit gave birth to me". Not knowing that it is only a Father that can give birth.

And we have to admit it is from the tradition, doctrines and religions. Man's understanding of Jesus.

You never struggled to be a human being. You were born one. So the struggle in being Christ is just because you were never born Christ. It is all a Life in Faith. You can not be what you don't believe you are. Now you have to add in your own effort what you should have had in Faith. Faith is the Creation Power of God. But God only create what we accept and believe in. Love can never be forced. Love needs to be accepted.

Your Dad gave you the Name above all Names. But have you accepted it yet. Or are you "nameless"? A Christian without being The Christ? A human being calling Himself "Christian". A sad story. It shows. Because it is tradition at work.

We are not being Christ, but are being conformed to His image as He sits at the right hand of God who makes intercession for us as Jesus truly is the word of God in being God's only begotten Son.

There is no good thing in the flesh as it will always sin and God knows that. That is why we have to be Spiritually born again from above and indwelled with the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent down to us as our comforter and teacher, John 3:1-7; John 14:26.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 Timothy 2:5 for there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrews 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Romans 8:34 who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 8:6 but now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

 

[for_his_glory]

Faith of Christ

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The faith of Christ, (KJV - John 12:44-50; Galatians 2:16; Philippians 3:9), is where we find faith in Christ. The newer translations has changed where it says faith of Christ to faith in Christ. There is a difference between faith of Christ and faith in Christ as you can read in those scriptures out of the KJV. The faith of Christ is what He believed in the Father as He never said or did anything above that which God gave Him to speak or to do while He was on earth. Our faith in Christ is the same faith of Christ He had in the Father as we can never go above that of what He taught us and the works He left for us to follow in.

The Son of God is that free gift of God's grace given to all who will believe by faith in Christ and confess Him as Lord and Savior so they will see the kingdom of God, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10. There is no working towards something that is free as all we have to do is accept the gift. Believe is a verb that means something we consider to be true as we have heard the Gospel and not only heard it, but also believe what is written for our well being.

Faith works come after we are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit that empowers us to go out into the world and continue in the good works of the Lord, Acts 2:37, 38; James 2:14-20. The good works are taking His Gospel message to the world as we too are His disciples and to love and help those in need as what we do we do unto the glory of the Lord Christ Jesus, Matthew 25:31-40

 

[jerry63935]

"How can one have the Spirit of Christ in them and not know Jesus lives?"

you cant

 

[Boaz]

In Mary God our Father put on flesh.

John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Because the One doing this was no Son but our Father.

John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.



Sure. It is our Father giving us the Bread. Not the Son. As it is the Father that is the Provider and not the Son.

John 6
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.





I know. I was also taught this from the tradition. I just accepted it because I could see "it was the truth". And i actually never asked Dad about it. But this One was actually your Dad.






I know. I am just giving my side of the story. I am not forcing anything.




You are Jesus.

Without this knowledge you will forever misuse the Bread that was given, The Name that was given and the Life that was given. You will for always try to be what you are not. You are not good and never will be. It is all in being a Christian. Being Christ.

And you will not pray the one and only prayer in Truth. And your Relationship will always be lacking from that of Jesus. Because you are not Jesus.

Mat. 6
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

There is just nobody else to include in this prayer. I did it. Jesus was the main "god". I mean. He died for my sins. I just "loved" him. Not giving my Father the Love that He was due. Because it was actually Him that "did the works". And I loved to "honor" the 'holy spirit". He was my guidance. Not knowing that it was actually my Loving Father guiding His Child. And the "spirit gave birth to me". Not knowing that it is only a Father that can give birth.

And we have to admit it is from the tradition, doctrines and religions. Man's understanding of Jesus.

You never struggled to be a human being. You were born one. So the struggle in being Christ is just because you were never born Christ. It is all a Life in Faith. You can not be what you don't believe you are. Now you have to add in your own effort what you should have had in Faith. Faith is the Creation Power of God. But God only create what we accept and believe in. Love can never be forced. Love needs to be accepted.

Your Dad gave you the Name above all Names. But have you accepted it yet. Or are you "nameless"? A Christian without being The Christ? A human being calling Himself "Christian". A sad story. It shows. Because it is tradition at work.

In John 6:33 Jesus IS the Bread. That is what He is saying. In the Lord's Prayer the daily bread refers to Him providing for our daily earthly needs, physical and spiritual.

 

[Johan]

In John 6:33 Jesus IS the Bread. That is what He is saying. In the Lord's Prayer the daily bread refers to Him providing for our daily earthly needs, physical and spiritual.

I agree. Jesus is the "Bread" from the Father to feed us as His Child. This makes Jesus the Bread and we the Real Jesus.

 

[Johan]

We are not being Christ,

We are born again Christ.

but are being conformed to His image as He sits at the right hand of God who makes intercession for us

Sure. This makes us Christ.

as Jesus truly is the word of God in being God's only begotten Son.

And this Word is Creating us to be the Real Jesus.

There is no good thing in the flesh as it will always sin and God knows that. That is why we have to be Spiritually born again from above and indwelled with the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent down to us as our comforter and teacher, John 3:1-7; John 14:26.

Yep. That is why we are born again in the Name and Life of Jesus. This we accept in Faith. Thus we get the New Name and Life of Jesus.

 

[Boaz]

I agree. Jesus is the "Bread" from the Father to feed us as His Child. This makes Jesus the Bread and we the Real Jesus.

I don't know what denomination you are, if any, so won't comment on that. However the statement that we are the real Jesus is not the teaching of the Bible or in any way a part of Christianity.

 

[Johan]

Do you believe in the preexistence of the Son as a "being" ?
Became flesh = A body was prepared for Him

Nope. God is One. This makes Him Holy to me. He is totally separated unto me. Nothing in His Life to which I take second place. Obviously if there is such a "Son" we would take second place to Him.

John referred to the Jesus they saw and touched as the "word of life" Jesus still is the word of life. He was not a word that was made flesh rather He was a being (spirit) and a body was prepared for Him. His Spirit was in the tent of the body God prepared for Him.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, HE said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
"Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

Yep. Jesus is the Word to me. That create me to be the Child or Son to God. He is no other Person to divide me in my Love to my Father.

I have the Spirit of Christ in me and we are one. But that Spirit is not my spirit. I am not Jesus. The Spirit of God in me does not follow my will but the will of the mind of the Spirit. My spirit follows the will of my mind. I do not have the authority and power of God.

When God tell us to come to Him in the Name of Jesus it meant to me that i am Jesus. i am not using another's Name as mine while it is not mine. Also to me the Word of Jesus can not create something else. It can just create Jesus. The Word can not create something more or something less than it is.

I did not accept Jesus by tradition but by faith. I was steered to Jesus as a very very young age and something took. Because as far back as my memory goes I have loved and believed in Him. I still talk or pray to Jesus to this very day. He answers prayer and knows me and is very aware of even my innermost thoughts.

To me that is Our Father calling us to Him. And being with us always. Hearing and answering the prayers of His Child. I have none other that I Love. i am Holy my Father too. i have my whole attention on my Father and nobody else. I Love Him with my whole heart, soul and mind. I am not divided in my Love to a "son" and a "holy spirit".

 

[for_his_glory]

We are born again Christ.

Sure. This makes us Christ.

And this Word is Creating us to be the Real Jesus.


Yep. That is why we are born again in the Name and Life of Jesus. This we accept in Faith. Thus we get the New Name and Life of Jesus.

What you are missing is the word "in". We are not Christ, but in Christ by the Spiritual rebirth from above where Christ sits at the right hand of God. Go back and read my post # 23

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just so I am clear

Nope. God is One. This makes Him Holy to me. He is totally separated unto me. Nothing in His Life to which I take second place. Obviously if there is such a "Son" we would take second place to Him.



Yep. Jesus is the Word to me. That create me to be the Child or Son to God. He is no other Person to divide me in my Love to my Father.




When God tell us to come to Him in the Name of Jesus it meant to me that i am Jesus. i am not using another's Name as mine while it is not mine. Also to me the Word of Jesus can not create something else. It can just create Jesus. The Word can not create something more or something less than it is.



To me that is Our Father calling us to Him. And being with us always. Hearing and answering the prayers of His Child. I have none other that I Love. i am Holy my Father too. i have my whole attention on my Father and nobody else. I Love Him with my whole heart, soul and mind. I am not divided in my Love to a "son" and a "holy spirit".

Just so I'm clear as what you have been saying I need to ask you. Do you believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God as being the word of God before the foundation of the world? And do you believe in the birth, death and resurrection of Christ who now sits at the right hand of God in heaven who makes intercession for us before God?

 

[Randy]

Nope. God is One. This makes Him Holy to me. He is totally separated unto me. Nothing in His Life to which I take second place. Obviously if there is such a "Son" we would take second place to Him.



Yep. Jesus is the Word to me. That create me to be the Child or Son to God. He is no other Person to divide me in my Love to my Father.




When God tell us to come to Him in the Name of Jesus it meant to me that i am Jesus. i am not using another's Name as mine while it is not mine. Also to me the Word of Jesus can not create something else. It can just create Jesus. The Word can not create something more or something less than it is.



To me that is Our Father calling us to Him. And being with us always. Hearing and answering the prayers of His Child. I have none other that I Love. i am Holy my Father too. i have my whole attention on my Father and nobody else. I Love Him with my whole heart, soul and mind. I am not divided in my Love to a "son" and a "holy spirit".

Well if you don't believe in the preexistence of the Son as a being then how do you deal with this in your theology? "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

And begotten of the Father before all worlds.

Again the Spirit God caused to dwell in me, the one Jesus received from the Father, is not my spirit. I am not Jesus. I have my own spirit. The Spirit God caused to dwell in me doesn't answer to my will but the will of the mind of the Spirit. My own spirit carries out my will and I am human. Not Jesus.

And you wrote, "Yep. Jesus is the Word to me. That create me to be the Child or Son to God. He is no other Person to divide me in my Love to my Father."

Actually its in Jesus that we live and are held together. And Jesus has made us to be a Kingdom of priests to serve God the Father.
Rev 1:6
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Paul described his religion as a worshiper of God as a follower of the way.

However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,

All that the Father gives to Jesus will go to Him and its His Fathers will that He raise them up on the last day.

I assure you Jesus is a person who will reconcile you to God the Father. Not divide you from the Father. Its is the Fathers will to believe in the Son and go to the Son for life.

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

 

[Prycejosh1987]

We have God our Father. And we have the Word on the Child or Son, Jesus. Now the question is: Who is the Real Jesus?

The real Jesus would be the one that is referred to in scripture and in the history books we look at. It certainly is not the Islamic Jesus, he does not exist, the only Jesus that exists is the one in the gospels.

 

[Johan]

The real Jesus would be the one that is referred to in scripture and in the history books we look at. It certainly is not the Islamic Jesus, he does not exist, the only Jesus that exists is the one in the gospels.

According to Scripture that Jesus was The Word.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.