the removal the church isnt supportable

[Grappler]

So you can warn people that only by believing on His Son will he rapture you out of these thing that are to come upon the earth.

Another reason he gives these warnings is to leave a written account to those left behind. And to those who you witnessed too,that did not believe you, will have an account to solidify that what you told them was true.

These warnings are for an unbelieving, Christ rejecting world. Not for believers and Lovers of Christ.

The whole idea of being "left behind" is nonsense. Although i do admit that the "Left Behind Series" made for some good action and fantasy reading but not much scripture to back it up. I think i read almost all of them until i realized they were just dragging it out for monetary reasons.LOL

 

[reba]

Yes we will meet the Lord in the air as he is returning to Earth. Surely you don't use this to support somekind of pre-tribulation escape do you? I refer you to Matthew chapter 24:29-31 and you will see that Jesus himself said that he was returning AFTER the tribulation of those days. Blessings.

Thinking about the earth this round ball hanging in space... I am wondering how Christians in Australia well see Him ... The answer will be electronics how do electronics account for meeting Him in the air?


Little bit different thought.... End times reminds me of Daniel being in the lions den.... that puts the thoughts to
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

 

[gr8grace]

Yes we will meet the Lord in the air as he is returning to Earth. Surely you don't use this to support somekind of pre-tribulation escape do you? I refer you to Matthew chapter 24:29-31 and you will see that Jesus himself said that he was returning AFTER the tribulation of those days. Blessings.

I agree with you that those verses are the second coming. 7 years after the Rapture of His Church though. You will be with him when He comes back to the earth.

Rev 19:14 is the coming of the Son of Man~~And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.

Rev 3:5-10~~He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. 6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'

7"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:

8I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Behold, I will cause [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie-- I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and [make them] know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from(ek tereo) the hour of testing(temptation), that [hour] which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

tnrew 5083 fut act ind 1s ---verb I am guarding 10
ek 1537 ---- ---- gen -- prep--- out of 11

With the preposition ek attached to the verb tereo tnrew it demands the language of, to take out of, to completely remove.

Notice also the it is the hour of testing or temptation of the whole earth that we are taken out of. The first 3 1/2 years is the deception and false peace of the anti-Christ. We are completely removed from it all.

 

[Grappler]

I refer you to Hebrews 5: 11-14

i fail to see how that is related to the topictotopic

 

[Grappler]

Thinking about the earth this round ball hanging in space... I am wondering how Christians in Australia well see Him ... The answer will be electronics how do electronics account for meeting Him in the air?


Little bit different thought.... End times reminds me of Daniel being in the lions den.... that puts the thoughts to
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Possibly the same we that we in the USA will see him.

 

[Grappler]

I agree with you that those verses are the second coming. 7 years after the Rapture of His Church though. You will be with him when He comes back to the earth.

Rev 19:14 is the coming of the Son of Man~~And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.

Rev 3:5-10~~He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. 6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'

7"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:

8I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Behold, I will cause [those] of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie-- I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and [make them] know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from(ek tereo) the hour of testing(temptation), that [hour] which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

tnrew 5083 fut act ind 1s ---verb I am guarding 10
ek 1537 ---- ---- gen -- prep--- out of 11

With the preposition ek attached to the verb tereo tnrew it demands the language of, to take out of, to completely remove.

Notice also the it is the hour of testing or temptation of the whole earth that we are taken out of. The first 3 1/2 years is the deception and false peace of the anti-Christ. We are completely removed from it all.

Can you provide me scripture (book, chapter, verse) that says the 2nd coming is 7 years after the Rapture please? How does Revelation 19:14 support some kind of pre-trib. rapture? How does Revelation 3:5-10 support a pre-trib. rapture? Are you not aware that there are going to be Chrsitians martyred during the trubulation of the last days?? Are you not aware that Jesus in John 17 prayed to the Father NOT to take his followers out of the world...and he included those who will be believe (meaning future believers) as well?? Are you not aware that Paul mentions in 2 Thess. chapter 2 that the coming of our Lord (2nd coming) and our gathering (rapture) together are the same event?? You need to take scripture as a WHOLE and not pick and choose what you want because it sounds good to your ears...the Pre-tribulation Rapture is nothing but an easy out and based on fear.

 

[Sinthesis]

Thinking about the earth this round ball hanging in space... I am wondering how Christians in Australia well see Him ... The answer will be electronics how do electronics account for meeting Him in the air?


Little bit different thought.... End times reminds me of Daniel being in the lions den.... that puts the thoughts to
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

What about blind Christians?

 

[reba]

What about blind Christians?

My grandma was born blind, she always said the first face she will ever see is Jesus! Back to topic....


I was tossing an orange in the air like kids do... Grown ups were talking about rapture... the first time I asked about how will every one 'see' Him was about 1957.....

 

[Grappler]

My grandma was born blind, she always said the first face she will ever see is Jesus! Back to topic....


I was tossing an orange in the air like kids do... Grown ups were talking about rapture... the first time I asked about how will every one 'see' Him was about 1957.....

LOL come on people give God a little credit...ever hear of miracles? I don't for sure how Jonah lived in the belly of a fish. I don't know how God created man out of mud. I don't know how Jesus turned water into wine. I don't know for sure how everyone will see his return especially the blind, but i believe it....Some times i think we can get a little too analytical here...

 

[Sinthesis]

My grandma was born blind, she always said the first face she will ever see is Jesus! Back to topic....


I was tossing an orange in the air like kids do... Grown ups were talking about rapture... the first time I asked about how will every one 'see' Him was about 1957.....

Do you think she is still waiting to see Him, or has now seen Him? I suspect she has now seen Him, yet are we to believe this was somehow before the rapture? What would be the point of her having to see Him again with everyone else in some collective rapture when she has already seen Him.

 

[reba]

[MENTION=8173]Sinthesis[/MENTION] Grandma went to see the Lord in 1992 she was 99.2 years old.... I believe the He was the first face she ever saw! She the wife, and mother of a Pentecostal pastor.... touch of family history

@Grappler , the attempt you make at saying I do not give God enough credit is weak..... I have zero doubt trusting God and His Word. What I question is how we, all of mankind, interpret God's Word.

 

[Grappler]

[MENTION=8173]Sinthesis[/MENTION] Grandma went to see the Lord in 1992 she was 99.2 years old.... I believe the He was the first face she ever saw! She the wife, and mother of a Pentecostal pastor.... touch of family history

@Grappler , the attempt you make at saying I do not give God enough credit is weak..... I have zero doubt trusting God and His Word. What I question is how we, all of mankind, interpret God's Word.

It wasn't meant to be 'strong'...it was meant in a friendly manner...didn't mean to offend you.

 

[JLB]

Like the man said, The removal of The Church isn't supportable!


JLB

 

[reba]

[MENTION=8173]Sinthesis[/MENTION] Grandma went to see the Lord in 1992 she was 99.2 years old.... I believe the He was the first face she ever saw! She the wife, and mother of a Pentecostal pastor.... touch of family history

@Grappler , the attempt you make at saying I do not give God enough credit is weak..... I have zero doubt trusting God and His Word. What I question is how we, all of mankind, interpret God's Word.

It wasn't meant to be 'strong'...it was meant in a friendly manner...didn't mean to offend you.

PK's have tuff hide

 

[jasoncran]

lol. it can NOT be with literal eyes then in all the cases.

 

[Grappler]

[MENTION=8173]Sinthesis[/MENTION] Grandma went to see the Lord in 1992 she was 99.2 years old.... I believe the He was the first face she ever saw! She the wife, and mother of a Pentecostal pastor.... touch of family history

@Grappler , the attempt you make at saying I do not give God enough credit is weak..... I have zero doubt trusting God and His Word. What I question is how we, all of mankind, interpret God's Word.

It wasn't meant to be 'strong'...it was meant in a friendly manner...didn't mean to offend you.

PK's have tuff hide

whats that?

 

[reba]

preachers kids have thick skin