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The Resurrection of the Damned

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Robert Pate

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I am a little disturbed by people that go into schools and murder defenseless little children and then expect the police to shoot them so that they won't have to answer for their heinous crime. I have bad news for them. In the resurrection they will stand before a holy God and answer for what they did and be condemned.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice and shall come forth; they that have done good, into the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto to the resurrection of the damnation" John 5:28-29.

Surprise, surprise. They thought that death was the end. Death is not the end; death is the beginning.
 
Robert Pate said:
I am a little disturbed by people that go into schools and murder defenseless little children and then expect the police to shoot them so that they won't have to answer for their heinous crime. I have bad news for them. In the resurrection they will stand before a holy God and answer for what they did and be condemned.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice and shall come forth; they that have done good, into the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto to the resurrection of the damnation" John 5:28-29.

Surprise, surprise. They thought that death was the end. Death is not the end; death is the beginning.
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I think you misunderstand sir. Death releases us from our sin. The resurrection of damnation is misleading because of the words the translators chose when putting it into English. Acts 24:15 words it a bit differently using the terms righteous/just and the unrighteous/unjust. The Bible states that all will be resurrected from hell Rev 20:13 thus being completely emptied. Unjust ones are not necessarily evil, but were not God's people for various reasons. This would include the billions of people who have lived who never heard of Him Robert.

I understand where you are coming from for sure, but everyone who will be resurrected have had their sins paid for by Jesus' death. We all start fresh and it is at the end of the thousand years that we come to life, and get tested with satan's release. Those who fail there undergo the lake of fire which is permanent.
 
Highway54 said:
I think you misunderstand sir. Death releases us from our sin. The resurrection of damnation is misleading because of the words the translators chose when putting it into English. Acts 24:15 words it a bit differently using the terms righteous/just and the unrighteous/unjust. The Bible states that all will be resurrected from hell Rev 20:13 thus being completely emptied. Unjust ones are not necessarily evil, but were not God's people for various reasons. This would include the billions of people who have lived who never heard of Him Robert.

I understand where you are coming from for sure, but everyone who will be resurrected have had their sins paid for by Jesus' death. We all start fresh and it is at the end of the thousand years that we come to life, and get tested with satan's release. Those who fail there undergo the lake of fire which is permanent.
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There are only two places that you can be when you die. "In Christ" or "In your Sins".

Acts 24:15 says that the just and the unjust will be resurrected. The Just are those that are "In Christ". The unjust are the lost. Revelation 20:13 says that all will be judged. Revelation 20:15 says that whosoever that was NOT found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Those that have repentant hearts are the ones that accept Christ as their savior. God knows who they are.
 
Highway54 said:
Death releases us from our sin.
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Unless you are refering to the crucifying of the flesh daily then that's not quite right, unless your seggusting someone can live in sin unrepentant and die and go to heaven thus no one will be condemned to Gehenna.
 
Highway54 said:
I think you misunderstand sir. Death releases us from our sin. The resurrection of damnation is misleading because of the words the translators chose when putting it into English. Acts 24:15 words it a bit differently using the terms righteous/just and the unrighteous/unjust. The Bible states that all will be resurrected from hell Rev 20:13 thus being completely emptied. Unjust ones are not necessarily evil, but were not God's people for various reasons. This would include the billions of people who have lived who never heard of Him Robert.

I understand where you are coming from for sure, but everyone who will be resurrected have had their sins paid for by Jesus' death. We all start fresh and it is at the end of the thousand years that we come to life, and get tested with satan's release. Those who fail there undergo the lake of fire which is permanent.
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God is just in all of his judgments. If he did not judge he would not be righteous. Those that die in their sins will be judged. Those that are "In Christ" will not be judged because Jesus took their judgment for them, 2 Corinthians 5:21. All sin will be dealt with one way or the other.
 
Robert Pate said:
There are only two places that you can be when you die. "In Christ" or "In your Sins".

Acts 24:15 says that the just and the unjust will be resurrected. The Just are those that are "In Christ". The unjust are the lost. Revelation 20:13 says that all will be judged. Revelation 20:15 says that whosoever that was NOT found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Those that have repentant hearts are the ones that accept Christ as their savior. God knows who they are.
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Until the first resurrection, if it has actually happened everyone who died went to hell, including Jesus. If the first resurrection has happened, which we believe it has, those "in Christ" will be instantly resurrected to heaven upon their death, everyone else goes to hell awaiting their time to be awakened.

We disagree on what unjust means Robert
 
Highway54 said:
Until the first resurrection, if it has actually happened everyone who died went to hell, including Jesus. If the first resurrection has happened, which we believe it has, those "in Christ" will be instantly resurrected to heaven upon their death, everyone else goes to hell awaiting their time to be awakened.

We disagree on what unjust means Robert
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I try to let the Bible dictate what I believe. It appears that you are trying to figure it out by your own reasoning.
 
Robert Pate said:
God is just in all of his judgments. If he did not judge he would not be righteous. Those that die in their sins will be judged. Those that are "In Christ" will not be judged because Jesus took their judgment for them, 2 Corinthians 5:21. All sin will be dealt with one way or the other.
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Those "in Christ" have already been judged Robert, how do you think they came to have that designation? Again I stress that one or both of us misunderstand that term sir.

I will just tell you those who are being referred to as being "in Christ" are anointed Christians sir. God anointed them, and personally selected them.
 
Highway54 said:
Those "in Christ" have already been judged Robert, how do you think they came to have that designation? Again I stress that one or both of us misunderstand that term sir.

I will just tell you those who are being referred to as being "in Christ" are anointed Christians sir. God anointed them, and personally selected them.
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I hate to tell you this. You know next to nothing about the Bible.
 
Highway54 said:
Romans 6:7,23
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The original word for die in Romans 6:7 is apothnēskō. Which means literally to die, perish, but the use in this verse and other verses isn't literal death
Verses that also use the same word
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead (apothnēskō) to the law, that I might live unto God.
Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead (apothnēskō), and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead (apothnēskō) with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances
Romans 6:10 For in that he died (apothnēskō), he died (apothnēskō) unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead (apothnēskō) with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon the word death in the original language and context means:
- "to become wholly alienated from a thing, and freed from all connection with it"
- "your relation to it has passed away"
- true Christians are said simply apothnēskō (die), as having put off all sensibility to worldly things that draw them away from God, since they owe this habit of mind to the death of Christ, they are said also apothnēskō sync christos (literally mean to "die with Christ")
as said in Romans 6:8 and Colossians 2:20.
 
Soldiers said:
The original word for die in Romans 6:7 is apothnēskō. Which means literally to die, perish, but the use in this verse and other verses isn't literal death
Verses that also use the same word
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead (apothnēskō) to the law, that I might live unto God.
Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead (apothnēskō), and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead (apothnēskō) with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances
Romans 6:10 For in that he died (apothnēskō), he died (apothnēskō) unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead (apothnēskō) with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon the word death in the original language and context means:
- "to become wholly alienated from a thing, and freed from all connection with it"
- "your relation to it has passed away"
- true Christians are said simply apothnēskō (die), as having put off all sensibility to worldly things that draw them away from God, since they owe this habit of mind to the death of Christ, they are said also apothnēskō sync christos (literally mean to "die with Christ")
as said in Romans 6:8 and Colossians 2:20.
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Many do not understand the spiritual and the physical aspects of the Bible. If you don't understand what is spiritual and what is physical, you won't understand the Bible.
 
Robert Pate said:
I try to let the Bible dictate what I believe. It appears that you are trying to figure it out by your own reasoning.
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That is the only way sir, believing it and following it will lead to unimaginable rewards. Even in this life following it's wise counsel gives us a much healthier and happier life.
 
Robert Pate said:
I hate to tell you this. You know next to nothing about the Bible.
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No I think you love to tell me this, but no matter Robert, time will tell if either of us is correct. You see sir, those in Christ are his brothers, those of the covenant, spirit begotten disciples who will reside in heaven with Jesus. God selected those exemplary individuals for a purpose that at least one of us has not been granted to see.

Everything I state is either accurate or it is not, and only time will prove the accuracy.
 
Soldiers said:
7 For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin.

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Yep! I am not sure you understand it the same way I do however, look up the term "set free" to understand what was meant by that passage sir. A synonym is acquitted, those two verses helps us to see that our death actually releases us from sins we committed in this life.

Through Jesus' ransom we receive a second chance, only those who have sinned against the holy spirit have no ransom in their behalf. The good news is however, very few get that judgment.
 
Soldiers said:
The original word for die in Romans 6:7 is apothnēskō. Which means literally to die, perish, but the use in this verse and other verses isn't literal death
Verses that also use the same word
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead (apothnēskō) to the law, that I might live unto God.
Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead (apothnēskō), and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead (apothnēskō) with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances
Romans 6:10 For in that he died (apothnēskō), he died (apothnēskō) unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead (apothnēskō) with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon the word death in the original language and context means:
- "to become wholly alienated from a thing, and freed from all connection with it"
- "your relation to it has passed away"
- true Christians are said simply apothnēskō (die), as having put off all sensibility to worldly things that draw them away from God, since they owe this habit of mind to the death of Christ, they are said also apothnēskō sync christos (literally mean to "die with Christ")
as said in Romans 6:8 and Colossians 2:20.
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Thanks for the well researched addition Soldiers, that is nice to know sir.
 
Highway54 said:
Yep! I am not sure you understand it the same way I do however, look up the term "set free" to understand what was meant by that passage sir. A synonym is acquitted, those two verses helps us to see that our death actually releases us from sins we committed in this life.

Through Jesus' ransom we receive a second chance, only those who have sinned against the holy spirit have no ransom in their behalf. The good news is however, very few get that judgment.
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That contradicts literally everything Jesus & the Bible said about hell and who will be in it.

Revelation 21:8 "8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Revelation 20:11-14 11 "Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Ephesians 5:5-7
"For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them;


Galatians 5:19-21
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Hebrews 10:26
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins"

1 Corinthians 15:50
"I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

Matthew 7:13-14
"13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Revelation 21:27
"But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life."

Luke 16:19-26 Talks about the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man lived in luxury and Lazarus in poverty, the rich man went to hell, while Lazarus went to comfort. Didn't say the rich man sinned against the Holy Spirit though!

Jude 1:27 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."

And you recognize many don't want forgiveness, don't want to be free from sin, don't want Jesus and don't want heaven, so you really think when we die, whether we like it or not we are all going to heaven unless we commit the unforgivable blasphemy? You took one verse extremely out of context and made up your own doctrine which is exceedingly false, the verses I listed don't even scratch the surface of how much in error your theology is.
 
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