Bible Study the resurrection

[Jim Parker]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The death gave us freedom from sin, the resurrection gave us hope to walk in that freedom.

Rather than His death, it is the resurrection that gives us freedom from sin because, by His resurrection, Jesus destroyed the foremost weapon of the devil to tempt man to sin: death.

Because of the fear of death, man will go to great lengths to preserve his life resulting in greed, avarice, theft, etc. and even murder. Man does it to insure that he acquires everything he needs to sustain his life without regard to the needs of his neighbors and certainly without regard to those he considers his enemies.

When the fear of death is removed, as it is by the resurrection, man no longer has to fear death by not having the necessities for life and can freely love his neighbor as God loves us. God, in Jesus, loved the world to the point that He freely gave His life for the lives of his friends AND the lives of those who were His enemies.

The removal of the fear of death by His resurrection, removed the major impediment to man's imitating God and becoming like God in accordance with God's will.
Rom 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Eph 4:11-13
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ

And, by becoming like Jesus (like God), we are free to love our neighbors, friends and enemies alike, as God so loved the world and sent His only begotten Son to die and raise again thereby gaining victory over death for all mankind.
1Co 15:55-57
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The western Church, taking it's theology from the theological developments of the Roman Church, depict sin as a crime against God which carries the death penalty that is imposed by God on all of mankind. That makes God the author of death. God, Who is Life, cannot also be the author of death.

Scripture reveals sin as the failure to pursue God's purpose for mankind which is to be like Him.
Rom 3:23 ...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
The word "sin", as you may know, was a term used in archery which meant" a failure to hit the target." The "target" of our life is to be come like Christ. Sin, is falling short of that goal by choosing self love rather than Godly love.

Sin is not a crime committed against the honor and dignity of God but, rather, sin is a separation from God in whom alone is life. If one is separated from the only source of life, he will die.

God said to Adam, "...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Gen 2:17)

God did NOT say to Adam, "...in the day that you eat of it, I will kill you."


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[ezra]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen!

Amen!

Amen!

Amen!
I believe all of that.
What I do NOT believe is:
(1) God is the author of death.
(2) Death is God's punishment for sin.
(3) Adam's sin was a crime against God's honor.
(4) All of mankind are guilty of Adam's sin.
(5) It was necessary Jesus died to satisfy divine justice.
All those concepts had their origin in the writings of Bishop Augustine of Hippo. They were further developed in the middle ages by the Scholastics of the Roman Church and laid out in detail in the tract "Cur Deus Homo" written by Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury in the early 12th century.

If you want to believe all that RCC doctrine, it's fine with me and I don't believe it will have any effect on your eternal life.


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i am not rcc at all Christ death was payment for our sins o.t there had to be a blood sacrifice at the Tabernacle in the wilderness .the high priest had to make atonement for him self first.then he could go into the Holy of Hollies with the Blood sacrifice. he went in just as he was .no high priest garments just white line clothes Hebrews 9:28 “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”

Christ had to die Hebrews 10:
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21And having an high priest over the house of God;

22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

not sure where you think RCC doctrine comes in at. new cov. for us to have forgiveness Christ had to be the sin offering the Resurrection. gives us the new life/creation in Christ .

 

[ezra]

Rather than His death, it is the resurrection that gives us freedom from sin because, by His resurrection, Jesus destroyed the foremost weapon of the devil to tempt man to sin: death.

yes at the resurrection is what defeated Satan. the death at the cross what payment for our sins one might say the resurrection put the icing on the cake . his atoning death i like the old song he paid a debt he did not owe .. i owed a debt i could not pay . then George younce sang thanks to Calvary i don,t live here any more enjoy the video

amen


here is a testimony of Donnie summers

 

[Nathan]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Rather than His death, it is the resurrection that gives us freedom from sin because, by His resurrection, Jesus destroyed the foremost weapon of the devil to tempt man to sin: death.

Because of the fear of death, man will go to great lengths to preserve his life resulting in greed, avarice, theft, etc. and even murder. Man does it to insure that he acquires everything he needs to sustain his life without regard to the needs of his neighbors and certainly without regard to those he considers his enemies.

When the fear of death is removed, as it is by the resurrection, man no longer has to fear death by not having the necessities for life and can freely love his neighbor as God loves us. God, in Jesus, loved the world to the point that He freely gave His life for the lives of his friends AND the lives of those who were His enemies.

The removal of the fear of death by His resurrection, removed the major impediment to man's imitating God and becoming like God in accordance with God's will.
Rom 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Eph 4:11-13
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ

And, by becoming like Jesus (like God), we are free to love our neighbors, friends and enemies alike, as God so loved the world and sent His only begotten Son to die and raise again thereby gaining victory over death for all mankind.
1Co 15:55-57
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The western Church, taking it's theology from the theological developments of the Roman Church, depict sin as a crime against God which carries the death penalty that is imposed by God on all of mankind. That makes God the author of death. God, Who is Life, cannot also be the author of death.

Scripture reveals sin as the failure to pursue God's purpose for mankind which is to be like Him.
Rom 3:23 ...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
The word "sin", as you may know, was a term used in archery which meant" a failure to hit the target." The "target" of our life is to be come like Christ. Sin, is falling short of that goal by choosing self love rather than Godly love.

Sin is not a crime committed against the honor and dignity of God but, rather, sin is a separation from God in whom alone is life. If one is separated from the only source of life, he will die.

God said to Adam, "...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Gen 2:17)

God did NOT say to Adam, "...in the day that you eat of it, I will kill you."


iakov the fool
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I agree. I was just condensing your explanation into a single phrase.

We have not yet attained that ressurection so for us it is a hope. Not a blind hope, but a sure hope. Because He lives we will too. It is the anchor of our soul that keeps us from drifting off in the storms of life.

1 Corinthians 15:54 (ESV)
When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."

A lot of people think this has already happened(it has, outside of our time domain), so they don't look for it with the expectation it was meant to provide. The forgiveness of sins is finished here and now, the ressurection is still yet to come and gives us the motivation to continue in the faith.

When we don't view the ressurection of ourselves as God has ordained it, we become complacent in this life. The ressurection, coupled with the fact we are forgiven, is the power of God to give us confidence that this world and life is temporary. Mankind can do nothing to the believer who has this hope because the seemingly worst thing, death, only means final and eternal, life with God. For us, death is simply the means to the end of all that is corrupt.

 

[iLOVE]

The Cross of Christ is the foundation on which everything else is built regarding this Great Plan of God. It was the first thing formulated in the mind of the Godhead, making it the Foundation.

The Holy Spirit through Simon Peter said this:
Forasmuch as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the Precious Blood of Christ, as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot (Ex. 12:5): Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your Faith and Hope might be in God. 1 Peter 1: 18-21

Pastor Jimmy Swaggart

 

[ezra]

lets bump this up what do you think was going on in those 3 days behind the stone that was in front of the tomb. my part i can not prove this scripture wise.. i believe he presented the blood sacrifice to his heavenly father among other things.

why was the stone rolled away ? does the head napkin folded with the grave clothes mean any thing?

 

[Jim Parker]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

i am not rcc at all Christ death was payment for our sins

That's RCC doctrine and a departure from the teaching of the very early church.

not sure where you think RCC doctrine comes in at.

It comes in at the teaching that sin was an offense against God's honor and required that God be compensated for the offense or the the offender be punished.

Since no man was able to compensate God for the sins committed against Him, a sinless man was necessary to take our punishment and, thereby, restore God's offended honor.

That is right out of RC Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury's tract, Cur Deus Homo.

That is the end result of the track which Bishop Augustine of Hippo initiated by introducing the philosophy of Plato into Christianity and its enhancement by the Scholastics who applied Aristotelian logic to the scriptures.

The juridical understanding of the atonement was totally foreign to the early church. It is the insertion of pagan Greek ideas of justice which have no place in the scripture.

Like you, as a Protestant, I was totally unaware of the source of the juridical aspect of the substitutionary atonement teaching which is so widely accepted among Catholics and Protestants. It was not until I began to look into the earliest writings of the Church that I discovered the introduction of those pagan Greek philosophical arguments into Christian theology.

The scripture says God the Father sent God the Son to die and rise again out of love for mankind, not because justice had to be served. (John 3:16)
Notice that the scripture says "God so loved the world" not, "God was so angry at the world."

The scripture says that, by His resurrection, Christ destroyed the power of death and sin. (1Cor 15:52ff) It does NOT say that it satisfied divine justice.

The fear of death was Satan's tool to entice men to sin through greed, avarice, and self-loving so that each person would make sure that he had all he needed to sustain life even if it was at the expense of his fellow man. By destroying the power of death to hold man in the grave, Christ freed man from the fear of death and released us to practice love of others without concern for our own needs to sustain our lives. We were freed to practice imitating His love even for our enemies.

Justice will be served in the eschaton when death and Hades and the devil and his angels are cast into the lake of burning sulfur.

And, just as a suggestion, if you'll read the scriptures in a language you actually speak (modern English rather than the Late Middle English of the KJV) you will understand them better.


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[ezra]

And, just as a suggestion, if you'll read the scriptures in a language you actually speak (modern English rather than the Late Middle English of the KJV) you will understand them better.

i fully understand these scriptures i use all types translations . no body has discounted the Resurrection. but once again the cross was the ultimate sacrifice the atonement For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that "Christ died for our sins " according to the Scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures (I Corinthians 15:3, 4).
Hebrews 9:15-16Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
15 Therefore, He is the mediator so that those who are called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance, { because a death has taken place for redemption from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. }16 Where a will exists, the " death " of the one who made it must be established. paul said
Galatians 6:14

“But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.”

 

[Jim Parker]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

yes at the resurrection is what defeated Satan. the death at the cross what payment for our sins one might say the resurrection put the icing on the cake .

THERE IS NO PAYMENT NECESSARY FOR OUR SINS.
That is pagan, Greek philosophy and jurisprudence.
A sin is NOT a crime against God.
Death is not the PENALTY for sin.
Rom 6:23 For the WAGES (not penalty) of sin is death,
If you believe that death is the penalty which God imposes for sin then you must also believe that God created death.
Scripture says that all things God created were good. (Gen 1:31)
Death is NOT good. It is the destruction of man who was created in the image and likeness of God. Destruction of God's image and likeness is not "good."

The resurrection is NOT the "icing on the cake."
The resurrection is the MAIN EVENT.
1Co 15:13-14 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
If Jesus did not rise from the dead never to die again then neither would anyone else.
If Jesus did not rise from death to indestructible life then His death was a waste of time.

The resurrection destroyed the devil's power over man.
1Co 15:53-57
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

iakov the fool
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[reba]

heading for a he said she said debate ... not a good idea..

 

[Nathan]

lets bump this up what do you think was going on in those 3 days behind the stone that was in front of the tomb. my part i can not prove this scripture wise.. i believe he presented the blood sacrifice to his heavenly father among other things.

why was the stone rolled away ? does the head napkin folded with the grave clothes mean any thing?

We know He went to preach to those in captive. Meaning, He proclaimed to those, who had died in faith, in Abraham's bosom. Ephesians 4

I don't think He had to present the sacrifice to the Father, because the Father was the one who made the sacrifice. We see this typified in the story of Abraham.

I don't think it would have taken 3 days to tell of His accomplishment to those in Sheol, but it had to be 3 days to fulfill the scriptures. Lots of speculation that can be had here.

I think the stone was rolled away to show God raised Him from the dead. To show the emptiness of the tomb. God was actively involved in this process, not just watching from afar.

 

[ezra]

The fear of death was Satan's tool to entice men to sin through greed, avarice, and self-loving so that each person would make sure that he had all he needed to sustain life even if it was at the expense of his fellow man. By destroying the power of death to hold man in the grave, Christ freed man from the fear of death and released us to practice love of others without concern for our own needs to sustain our lives. We were freed to practice imitating His love even for our enemies.

i dont fear death i know when my time comes where i will go. i am in no hurry nor can i say i wouldn't think about death if faced with it knowing . i had months to live. but when my time come i have the peace that passes all understanding. i believe even though my body may be going through bad things. Christ will make the transition easy . once gain the Resurrection is our victory but the death upon the cross was finial payment . it takes the death burial and resurrection to make our salvation complete

 

[ezra]

heading for a he said she said debate ... not a good idea..

not sure where a he /she said comes in. so far it is scripture against scripture

 

[RevSRE]

The Didache, or teachings of the Apostles from the late second century opens, There are two paths, one of life and one of death, and the difference is great between the two paths.

Yet, I ask What are we talking about? What is the PATH?
The PATH, is simply to Obey God. We were made for fellowship with God and have the choice to Obey Him or not.
Adam made a choice to disobey God.
We must define a word here, it is used in so many ways and most wrong, we need to get it meaning right.
SIN = ἁμαρτάνω hamartanō
Thayer Definition:
1) to be without a share in
2) to miss the mark
3) to err, be mistaken
4) to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
5) to wander from the law of God, violate God’s law, sin

Rom 3:23 for all miss the mark and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:23 for all are without a share in and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

BUT, LOOK AT THE VERSE, IT SAYS WE MISS THE MARK OF THE GLORY OF GOD CREATED IN US!! WE miss the mark, fail to follow the PATH, AND FAIL TO SHARE IN GOD’S GLORY.

The Idea of SIN being great or small, seems to me to be an inconstancy in thought. Sin, to leave the path, or to miss God’s glory is to Disobey GOD!
I ask what is there that we do that is “the Source of our SIN”. There is no work that we may do to gain, deserve, or to earn God’s Grace. I will also say there is no act or work we may do to gain, deserve, or earn rejection from grace and a place in Hell. Man rejecting God will live as he chooses and all the evil resulting there is only the natural behavior of rejecting God. This evil shows one that rejects God, BUT, the subject is still a Choice Obey God or Not. We spend too much time focused on “Evil” and not enough time really focused on “Knowing GOD!”

God’s Grace is freely offered, and we by faith accept or ignore that offer.

 

[ezra]

We know He went to preach to those in captive. Meaning, He proclaimed to those, who had died in faith, in Abraham's bosom. Ephesians 4

I don't think He had to present the sacrifice to the Father, because the Father was the one who made the sacrifice. We see this typified in the story of Abraham.

I don't think it would have taken 3 days to tell of His accomplishment to those in Sheol, but it had to be 3 days to fulfill the scriptures. Lots of speculation that can be had here.

I think the stone was rolled away to show God raised Him from the dead. To show the emptiness of the tomb. God was actively involved in this process, not just watching from afar.

for the most we can agree speculation is what it is on the blood sacrifice

 

[ezra]

. We spend too much time focused on “Evil” and not enough time really focused on “Knowing GOD!”

i have said this before but need the reminder i so agree

 

[Jim Parker]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The forgiveness of sins is finished here and now,

This comment is evidence of somewhat of a misconception about the forgiveness of sin.
God has always forgiven sin.
Psa 32:1 A Psalm of David. A Contemplation.
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered.
1Jo 1:8-9 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.I f we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

But forgiving our sin does not remove the consequence of sin which is death.
It is the resurrection that overcomes the death of the body and the release of the souls of the righteous from unjust captivity in Hades to be re-united with their resurrected bodies at His second coming.

The remission of our sins is through baptism.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Because, in baptism, we are united to Christ in His death and raised again to new life in Christ.
Rom 6:4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Baptism is a sacramental death and burial of the "old man of sin" and a resurrection into new life in Christ.

When we don't view the resurrection of ourselves as God has ordained it, we become complacent in this life.

ABSOLUTELY!!!
You NAILED it!!!

Mankind can do nothing to the believer who has this hope because the seemingly worst thing, death, only means final and eternal, life with God.

Rom 8:38-39 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

iakov the fool
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[Nathan]

The death of Christ was necessary to make atonement for our sins. It was the main event, together with the ressurection.

In His death, He once for all, made atonement for everyone. Because He was sinless, His death was the only perfect sacrifice to remove the sin 'barrier' between God and man.

Up to that day, the sacrifices only 'covered' people's sins. His death removed the dividing wall between God and man. There are huge implications for His death, not just so He would rise again.

Isaiah 53:4 (ESV) 4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.

Isaiah 53:5 (ESV) 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.

His death brought us peace with God, by God placing on Him the sins of the world.

His life, because He was raised, is spent before God making intercession for us who have not yet attained the ressurection.

"Paying" for sins might not be the best way to describe it, but they had to be dealt with.

 

[ezra]

But forgiving our sin does not remove the consequence of sin which is death.

no one has said that it does there will always be consequence of sin but for a Christian when we die we live again

 

[ezra]

The death of Christ was necessary to make atonement for our sins. It was the main event, together with the Resurrection.

:amen