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The Rise Of Satanism In The Last Days

My very dear H, What does he say they do? Do they stop believing he’s coming as the problem? No, they start to treat other people badly. That’s the thing he warns against. It is not ceasing to think “any day now” but how one is treating others.

Besides Jesus said no one knows the day or hour and they’ll be no signs at all just like there were no signs before the flood. That’s what he said.

Matt 24:
But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,bbut the Father only. 37For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Notice that they were all UNAWARE.

So how do you deal with Jesus saying “no one knows?”

Can you explain why you think Gen 3:15 says the time please?

There were many visions of many events. Why do you think this one is not already past? Daniel talked about visions which are today long ago fulfilled.

Hi H,

Jesus said “this generation” meaning the ones hearing his words. He didn’t say “that generation.” He said the blood of all the prophets would be required of the generation living then. That’s because only that generation crucified the Son of God. No generation since could have done so. And the words were fulfilled before 40 years were done.

That’s my view anyway. You needn’t agree but you might find it interesting.
My very dear H, What does he say they do? Do they stop believing he’s coming as the problem? No, they start to treat other people badly. That’s the thing he warns against. It is not ceasing to think “any day now” but how one is treating others.
He stated they said my master is delaying in more modern terms maam
So how do you deal with Jesus saying “no one knows?”
Jesus did say God knew, which answers your next statement as well. God knew when He stated this:
Can you explain why you think Gen 3:15 says the time please?
the day and hour. Still today no human knows the day or hour, but I am able to narrow it down within 3 days Dot.
There were many visions of many events. Why do you think this one is not already past? Daniel talked about visions which are today long ago fulfilled.
Because we are still here maam.
 
Too soon, Bob, but to each his own.

Btw, my wife would probably like the car you have in your avatar. She always like the red pick up they drove in the 70s sitcom Sanford and Son.
To be honest, it drove like an old car. Leaned heavily in corners, no power steering, no power brakes, but it did kind of take you back to an older era. Everything worked including the factory radio, and I would listen to classic stations, but 60's was about as far back as they went.

My previous old car was a 63 Corvair, the only car that I have ever owned that got it's picture on the back cover of a magazine. It drove like a new one more or less, automatic transmission and easy steering. I really wish I would have kept it, but at the time I had 2 classics and put them both up for sale, and it sold first.
 
He stated they said my master is delaying in more modern terms maam
Was that the problem? No, the problem was how they treated others. Jesus has been predicted to come almost every year for decades. Not a problem since he says we won’t know.
Jesus did say God knew, which answers your next statement as well.
Well, God knows everything. We don’t know and won’t know.
God knew when He stated this:

the day and hour. Still today no human knows the day or hour, but I am able to narrow it down within 3 days Dot.
When the Bible says “day or hour” it doesn’t mean literally calendar or position of the sun. It means at all. But I’ll bite, when plus or minus 3 days?
Because we are still here maam.
People were always there after prophesy is fulfilled. Always. People will be there after the resurrection too. Doesn’t mean prophesy isn’t fulfilled because people are still there.
 
Was that the problem? No, the problem was how they treated others. Jesus has been predicted to come almost every year for decades. Not a problem since he says we won’t know.

Well, God knows everything. We don’t know and won’t know.

When the Bible says “day or hour” it doesn’t mean literally calendar or position of the sun. It means at all. But I’ll bite, when plus or minus 3 days?

People were always there after prophesy is fulfilled. Always. People will be there after the resurrection too. Doesn’t mean prophesy isn’t fulfilled because people are still there.
People are still there after prophecy is fulfilled?

At the last trump we are changed. People in the natural flesh do not exist. Humanity ends.

I think we are trying to one up each other?

This is the last prophecy? We are down to the end of time. Time will pass away. Books will be opened and former people have judgement read.

I hope I am making sense. We are at the end of time at the judgement throne.

Do we know what will happen? Yes. The book of Revelation reveals the last facts. Is the exact day given? No. Do we know what will happen? Yes.

Can facts be twisted? Yes. On this last day Satan has no more time to work any more lies. Humanity is over. Satan is placed in eternal hell. Saints receive eternity with God.

Really strange to us. Time ends. Eternity with God begins. The last trump is the last trump.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
People are still there after prophecy is fulfilled?
Of course. Why would the earth be de-peopled? Wouldn’t that be sad?
At the last trump we are changed. People in the natural flesh do not exist. Humanity ends.
Oh that’d be aweful. The end of the human race God made. Where is that in scripture? Satan would love it…no more humans. Who are his own ruling and reigning over? The bugs and animals?
I think we are trying to one up each other?
Not at all. But the elimination of the human race does not sound like something good. Jesus comes and no more families on earth. Horrible!
This is the last prophecy? We are down to the end of time. Time will pass away. Books will be opened and former people have judgement read.
Yes, we aren’t down to the end of time, but there is a judgement coming for sure. It would be better for all of we all reminded ourselves of that coming reckoning.
I hope I am making sense. We are at the end of time at the judgement throne.
You’re making perfect sense. I don’t agree. :)
Do we know what will happen? Yes. The book of Revelation reveals the last facts. Is the exact day given? No. Do we know what will happen? Yes.
Absolutely. Crystal clear paragraph! Well done.
Can facts be twisted? Yes. On this last day Satan has no more time to work any more lies. Humanity is over. Satan is placed in eternal hell. Saints receive eternity with God.
Except for humanity being over, I agree.
Really strange to us. Time ends. Eternity with God begins. The last trump is the last trump.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
Eternity is sort of always with us in a way. Dying or the end of life is something we cannot imagine well. Continuing life is easier to see.
 
Of course. Why would the earth be de-peopled? Wouldn’t that be sad?

Oh that’d be aweful. The end of the human race God made. Where is that in scripture? Satan would love it…no more humans. Who are his own ruling and reigning over? The bugs and animals?

Not at all. But the elimination of the human race does not sound like something good. Jesus comes and no more families on earth. Horrible!

Yes, we aren’t down to the end of time, but there is a judgement coming for sure. It would be better for all of we all reminded ourselves of that coming reckoning.

You’re making perfect sense. I don’t agree. :)

Absolutely. Crystal clear paragraph! Well done.

Except for humanity being over, I agree.

Eternity is sort of always with us in a way. Dying or the end of life is something we cannot imagine well. Continuing life is easier to see.
1 Corinthians 15:52 kjv
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1 Corinthians 15:50 kjv
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The father God is in heaven. Jesus is the first born of the dead.


Adam and Eve were not made/created to live eternally at the beginning. They had to eat of the tree of life to live forever. Sin took them out of Eden and they eventually died. (No tree of life).

The human/flesh does not go into heaven.

The kingdom we now live in has the promise of eternal life is with us, but we await what we shall be. We await the transformation that occurs at the last trump.

We were created very good, but not perfect.
We are awaiting another change when the last trump sounds.

Jesus put on humanity/flesh. Jesus was raised from the dead. Resurrection took place for Jesus. The resurrection will change us. For us the resurrection has not yet occured.

Being born of the spirit is not resurrection.

Seeing through dark sunshades is rough for now.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
1 Corinthians 15:52 kjv
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
So why do you think the human race is no more?
1 Corinthians 15:50 kjv
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
And? You think There are no more people? Adam and Eve were not originally in corruptible bodies and certainly could have reproduced. Why do you think Jesus coming means the end of the human race?
The father God is in heaven. Jesus is the first born of the dead.
Adam and Eve were not made/created to live eternally at the beginning. They had to eat of the tree of life to live forever. Sin took them out of Eden and they eventually died. (No tree of life).
Ok, but reproduction was still possible before the fall.
The human/flesh does not go into heaven.
Humans will live on earth. There’s a new Heaven and new earth. The earth is not depopulated.
The kingdom we now live in has the promise of eternal life is with us, but we await what we shall be. We await the transformation that occurs at the last trump.

We were created very good, but not perfect.
We are awaiting another change when the last trump sounds.

Jesus put on humanity/flesh. Jesus was raised from the dead. Resurrection took place for Jesus. The resurrection will change us. For us the resurrection has not yet occured.
Well, death comes before thr Resurrection, right?
Being born of the spirit is not resurrection.
Agreed. One has to die to be resurrected.
Seeing through dark sunshades is rough for now.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
Some see better than others.
 
Was that the problem? No, the problem was how they treated others. Jesus has been predicted to come almost every year for decades. Not a problem since he says we won’t know.

Well, God knows everything. We don’t know and won’t know.

When the Bible says “day or hour” it doesn’t mean literally calendar or position of the sun. It means at all. But I’ll bite, when plus or minus 3 days?

People were always there after prophesy is fulfilled. Always. People will be there after the resurrection too. Doesn’t mean prophesy isn’t fulfilled because people are still there.
Was that the problem? No
Just going off of what Jesus said maam, I didn't say it, I simply quoted it from the Bible
Well, God knows everything. We don’t know and won’t know.
Very true Ecc 3:11
When the Bible says “day or hour” it doesn’t mean literally calendar or position of the sun. It means at all. But I’ll bite, when plus or minus 3 days?
Wednesday Dot. That is my prediction! When the end comes if it is not within 3 days of Wed, then I will offer up my sincere apology for my error maam.
People were always there after prophesy is fulfilled. Always. People will be there after the resurrection too. Doesn’t mean prophesy isn’t fulfilled because people are still there.
And there will be after the fulfillment of Mat 28:20 and 24:14 as well. But those has not quite ended yet. Perhaps I should have stated the wicked are still here Ps 37:9; Mat 7:13
Rev 12:2; 20:1,2
 
Will be no more.
Why do you think that? Jesus died so the human race can be discontinued? How sad!
We are still wretched now.
Where is that coming from? When Jesus comes, the bride, the believers, will have made themselves ready, not wretched.
We have treasure in earthen vessels. Sin no longer has dominion over us, but are not yet what we shall be.

eddif
That is true but not all of us are wretched.
 
Just going off of what Jesus said maam, I didn't say it, I simply quoted it from the Bible
I know but the Hebrew scriptures are full of metaphor. “Day” doesn’t always mean a 24 hour period even in English. Doesn’t mean its not true.
Very true Ecc 3:11

Wednesday Dot. That is my prediction! When the end comes if it is not within 3 days of Wed, then I will offer up my sincere apology for my error maam.
That’s pretty funny. For anyone not getting it. Wednesday plus or minus three days is from Sunday to Wednesday or from Thursday to Sunday. Can’t miss.
And there will be after the fulfillment of Mat 28:20 and 24:14 as well. But those has not quite ended yet. Perhaps I should have stated the wicked are still here Ps 37:9; Mat 7:13
Rev 12:2; 20:1,2
The resurrection has not happened whereby the living will also be judged. I see Matthew 24 as fulfilled up to verse 36. That is still future in my view.

Daniel and Revelation are highly metaphorical. Still true, but not describing literal events. Jesus, for example, is the lamb that was slain. but he is literally a man, not a lamb.

Yes the wicked are still here but Matt 24:41-42 describes them being removed. Now Paul wrote in Col 1:23 that Matt 24:14 was fulfilled. And what followed was the end of that age as that prediction said.
 
Correct. The Satanic Temple is a highly sanitized version of "Satanism;" a non-theistic, philosophical version designed entirely for public consumption, but it fulfills a primary goal which is to sanction open opposition to the God of the Bible and Christian influence in society.

The mission statement does little to conceal it:

"The Mission of the Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense, oppose injustice, and undertake noble pursuits"

Most of that translates as, "Our mission is to sympathize with, encourage and defend everything immoral, while opposing everything the tyrannical Christian God and His followers advocate."
"The Satanic Temple " , "After School Satan Club" the word Satan is in both of these and it is in your face , this is called gaslighting , their claiming of not being Satan worship . Satan has had all this time since the garden to plan and scheme how to appeal to the public , a slow gradual process a little at a time . But now is Satan's time growing short ? Yes I think so .
 
"The Satanic Temple " , "After School Satan Club" the word Satan is in both of these and it is in your face , this is called gaslighting , their claiming of not being Satan worship . Satan has had all this time since the garden to plan and scheme how to appeal to the public , a slow gradual process a little at a time . But now is Satan's time growing short ? Yes I think so .

It's "Satanism Light." Same taste, but without all the calories, Lol. That woman who joined here who was a member of the Temple of Satan was VERY upfront about things, and even sent me a copy of the official statement regarding their abortion ritual in private. She was proud of identifying as Satanist, and was continually trying to assume the moral high ground on me, if you can believe that. I had to scoff at it a few times, because this notion of trying to distance oneself from the theistic version (a god who condones human sacrifice, the sadistic torture of children, mind control, the establishment of a New World Order of masters and slaves etc) and somehow recreating Satanism into a benevolent religion is just laughable to anyone who knows much about it. But kids generally know very little, and that's who they are directing it to. They're repackaging Satanism to make it seem "cool," for lack of a better word, but REAL Satanism is anything but that. He's what the Bible says he is. He always comes to kill, steal and destroy.
 
I know but the Hebrew scriptures are full of metaphor. “Day” doesn’t always mean a 24 hour period even in English. Doesn’t mean its not true.

That’s pretty funny. For anyone not getting it. Wednesday plus or minus three days is from Sunday to Wednesday or from Thursday to Sunday. Can’t miss.

The resurrection has not happened whereby the living will also be judged. I see Matthew 24 as fulfilled up to verse 36. That is still future in my view.

Daniel and Revelation are highly metaphorical. Still true, but not describing literal events. Jesus, for example, is the lamb that was slain. but he is literally a man, not a lamb.

Yes the wicked are still here but Matt 24:41-42 describes them being removed. Now Paul wrote in Col 1:23 that Matt 24:14 was fulfilled. And what followed was the end of that age as that prediction said.
That’s pretty funny. For anyone not getting it. Wednesday plus or minus three days is from Sunday to Wednesday or from Thursday to Sunday. Can’t miss.
I do strive to be accurate in what I say. Heck, I could be wrong you know. :chin
es the wicked are still here but Matt 24:41-42 describes them being removed. Now Paul wrote in Col 1:23 that Matt 24:14 was fulfilled. And what followed was the end of that age as that prediction said.
You have hit on some passages that we both know are untrue. Frankly I don't know why they are in God's inspired word. We justify his words as meaning that the then known world. Do you feel that maybe Paul was describing in broad terms how far the “good news” had reached. For example, Alexander the Great had penetrated Asia to the borders of India in the fourth century B.C.E. Julius Caesar had invaded Britain in 55 B.C.E., and Claudius had subjugated the southern part of that island, making it part of the Roman Empire in 43 C.E. The Far East was also known, for it was a source of fine silk.

Had the good news been preached in Britain, China, and the Far East? That seems unlikely. Indeed, when Paul wrote to the Colossians, he still had not realized his own goal, stated in about 56 C.E., of preaching in the then “untouched territory” of Spain. (Rom. 15:20, 23, 24) Still, by about 61 C.E., the Kingdom message was widely known. At the very least, it had spread as far as to the homelands of the Jews and proselytes who were baptized at Pentecost 33 C.E. as well as to the lands visited by Jesus’ apostles.—Acts 2:1, 8-11, 41, 42.

At any rate, we know for a fact that the good news of the Kingdom has not yet reached all nations, but we know it has to be getting very close. The Bible is available in parts in over 3500 languages, and the internet is virtually available everywhere. The signs Jesus gave like you said been fulfilled many years, and even worldly people are questioning the changing scene of the world recognizing things are strange.
 
I do strive to be accurate in what I say. Heck, I could be wrong you know. :chin

You have hit on some passages that we both know are untrue. Frankly I don't know why they are in God's inspired word. We justify his words as meaning that the then known world. Do you feel that maybe Paul was describing in broad terms how far the “good news” had reached. For example, Alexander the Great had penetrated Asia to the borders of India in the fourth century B.C.E. Julius Caesar had invaded Britain in 55 B.C.E., and Claudius had subjugated the southern part of that island, making it part of the Roman Empire in 43 C.E. The Far East was also known, for it was a source of fine silk.

Had the good news been preached in Britain, China, and the Far East? That seems unlikely. Indeed, when Paul wrote to the Colossians, he still had not realized his own goal, stated in about 56 C.E., of preaching in the then “untouched territory” of Spain. (Rom. 15:20, 23, 24) Still, by about 61 C.E., the Kingdom message was widely known. At the very least, it had spread as far as to the homelands of the Jews and proselytes who were baptized at Pentecost 33 C.E. as well as to the lands visited by Jesus’ apostles.—Acts 2:1, 8-11, 41, 42.

At any rate, we know for a fact that the good news of the Kingdom has not yet reached all nations, but we know it has to be getting very close. The Bible is available in parts in over 3500 languages, and the internet is virtually available everywhere. The signs Jesus gave like you said been fulfilled many years, and even worldly people are questioning the changing scene of the world recognizing things are strange.
I won’t agree with you that there are passages that are untrue. There will never ever come a day when every single human on earth has heard the gospel because populations are constantly increasing. So Jesus didn’t mean that. It was the known world.

And it was sufficient for the Gospel to be unquenchable. And Jesus didn’t say “all nations.” The concept of nations didn’t exist then. He said the “whole world”which was what was known as the world then.

Thomas went to India so there was preaching in Asia. The NT speaks of Asia in any case.I simply believe what Paul wrote, but I’ve worked in the east and so understand the eastern mind better than most westerners. Its an advantage as the Bible wasn’t written by westerners.
 
I do strive to be accurate in what I say. Heck, I could be wrong you know. :chin
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Hope you do not mind but I am going to use that one....I will admit I did not think it up. Pretty clever. I am going to tell my son that one next time we meet, that I can predict Jesus' coming within 3 days.....
You have hit on some passages that we both know are untrue. Frankly I don't know why they are in God's inspired word. We justify his words as meaning that the then known world. Do you feel that maybe Paul was describing in broad terms how far the “good news” had reached. For example, Alexander the Great had penetrated Asia to the borders of India in the fourth century B.C.E. Julius Caesar had invaded Britain in 55 B.C.E., and Claudius had subjugated the southern part of that island, making it part of the Roman Empire in 43 C.E. The Far East was also known, for it was a source of fine silk.
I think Jesus was talking to them about the world they knew. That is, they knew the whole of the Mediterranean world, Africa, Europe, Asia and Middle East. That was their world. So he was telling them that the world that they knew would have heard the Gospel, which was necessary before the destruction of the center of Christianity in the world. It is like Jesus said that mustard seed is the smallest seed in the garden but it was the smallest they knew in their garden. It is not, apparently, the smallest in the whole of botany. But that was not the point. The point Jesus was making was that the Gospel would have to be planted in all of the surrounding world, the world they knew, before the end of that age would come with the destruction of their central headquarters. It was not a sign. It was a preparation. What do you think? Just thought about that as I was writing it.
Had the good news been preached in Britain, China, and the Far East? That seems unlikely. Indeed, when Paul wrote to the Colossians, he still had not realized his own goal, stated in about 56 C.E., of preaching in the then “untouched territory” of Spain. (Rom. 15:20, 23, 24) Still, by about 61 C.E., the Kingdom message was widely known. At the very least, it had spread as far as to the homelands of the Jews and proselytes who were baptized at Pentecost 33 C.E. as well as to the lands visited by Jesus’ apostles.—Acts 2:1, 8-11, 41, 42.

At any rate, we know for a fact that the good news of the Kingdom has not yet reached all nations, but we know it has to be getting very close. The Bible is available in parts in over 3500 languages, and the internet is virtually available everywhere. The signs Jesus gave like you said been fulfilled many years, and even worldly people are questioning the changing scene of the world recognizing things are strange.
I know I answered this post already. I am not losing my mind or not much of it, but new thoughts occurred to me. One needs to see the teachings of Jesus in the context of his listeners and what He was communicating to them. The Gospel is going out but that is not because it needs to before he comes. That goal is met. It is going out NOW because it is the good news. The christian church is the fastest growing organization or group in the whole world and those who study trends say it is a phenomena that cannot be stopped. It has become the largest tree in the garden, so large that the birds of the air (demonic powers) can roost in its branches.

Pleasure, a great pleasure in fact, talking with you H54.
 
I won’t agree with you that there are passages that are untrue. There will never ever come a day when every single human on earth has heard the gospel because populations are constantly increasing. So Jesus didn’t mean that. It was the known world.

And it was sufficient for the Gospel to be unquenchable. And Jesus didn’t say “all nations.” The concept of nations didn’t exist then. He said the “whole world”which was what was known as the world then.

Thomas went to India so there was preaching in Asia. The NT speaks of Asia in any case.I simply believe what Paul wrote, but I’ve worked in the east and so understand the eastern mind better than most westerners. Its an advantage as the Bible wasn’t written by westerners.
There you have it Dot, you answered it yourself maam. The then known world. But since we are still here, clearly in God's eyes the prophecy of Mat 24:14 had not yet been fulfilled. Do you know what the times of the Gentiles is Dot? This really comes into play in figuring out the time period of the prophecy.

You seemed to have overlooked the evidence I gave you a few days back about the horses of Rev 6, and you didn't comment on it. So I need to ask, do you think those horses do not represent the signs Jesus gave in Mat 24:7? If you don't then I understand how that would mean nothing to you, but if you think they do, then realize Revelation was penned over a couple of decades after Jerusalem's destruction. But if you don't let's pursue what the appointed times of the nations (times of the Gentiles) is maam.
 
There you have it Dot, you answered it yourself maam. The then known world.
But that is what he meant to say. He was saying when the Gospel had been preached to the world as they knew it, the end of that covenant as they knew it would come. He was giving them the world as they knew it to be. They needed to know that.
But since we are still here, clearly in God's eyes the prophecy of Mat 24:14 had not yet been fulfilled.
You are taking what Jesus told them, which Paul confirmed has happened, and insisting it be applied to today. In doing so, you have to accept the Bible doesn’t tell the truth. I don’t have to do that. In my position Paul was telling the truth and the end of that world as they knew it came.
Do you know what the times of the Gentiles is Dot? This really comes into play in figuring out the time period of the prophecy.
I have an idea.
You seemed to have overlooked the evidence I gave you a few days back about the horses of Rev 6, and you didn't comment on it.
We write a lot, some details are missed. I know about the horses from my view.
So I need to ask, do you think those horses do not represent the signs Jesus gave in Mat 24:7?
I do and they happened.
If you don't then I understand how that would mean nothing to you, but if you think they do, then realize Revelation was penned over a couple of decades after Jerusalem's destruction.
No it wasn’t. It was given to John as Nero sent him to Patmos same time as they tried unsuccessfully to kill him although were successful with Peter and Paul. John was in his 60s, still able to minister which Jesus prophesied was before him.
But if you don't let's pursue what the appointed times of the nations (times of the Gentiles) is maam.
Ok but the late date has scant support except in popularity.
 
Hope you do not mind but I am going to use that one....I will admit I did not think it up. Pretty clever. I am going to tell my son that one next time we meet, that I can predict Jesus' coming within 3 days.....

I think Jesus was talking to them about the world they knew. That is, they knew the whole of the Mediterranean world, Africa, Europe, Asia and Middle East. That was their world. So he was telling them that the world that they knew would have heard the Gospel, which was necessary before the destruction of the center of Christianity in the world. It is like Jesus said that mustard seed is the smallest seed in the garden but it was the smallest they knew in their garden. It is not, apparently, the smallest in the whole of botany. But that was not the point. The point Jesus was making was that the Gospel would have to be planted in all of the surrounding world, the world they knew, before the end of that age would come with the destruction of their central headquarters. It was not a sign. It was a preparation. What do you think? Just thought about that as I was writing it.

I know I answered this post already. I am not losing my mind or not much of it, but new thoughts occurred to me. One needs to see the teachings of Jesus in the context of his listeners and what He was communicating to them. The Gospel is going out but that is not because it needs to before he comes. That goal is met. It is going out NOW because it is the good news. The christian church is the fastest growing organization or group in the whole world and those who study trends say it is a phenomena that cannot be stopped. It has become the largest tree in the garden, so large that the birds of the air (demonic powers) can roost in its branches.

Pleasure, a great pleasure in fact, talking with you H54.
Hope you do not mind but I am going to use that one....I will admit I did not think it up. Pretty clever. I am going to tell my son that one next time we meet, that I can predict Jesus' coming within 3 days.....
Sure, I giggled when I first heard it. I certainly didn't think of it either, but it usually sets people at ease to tickle their funny bone. And the great thing about it is, that it is true.

I didn't comment on the more important part of your post because we are discussing the same topic in another area. But we do agree that Paul was speaking about the then known world.
 
But that is what he meant to say. He was saying when the Gospel had been preached to the world as they knew it, the end of that covenant as they knew it would come. He was giving them the world as they knew it to be. They needed to know that.

You are taking what Jesus told them, which Paul confirmed has happened, and insisting it be applied to today. In doing so, you have to accept the Bible doesn’t tell the truth. I don’t have to do that. In my position Paul was telling the truth and the end of that world as they knew it came.

I have an idea.

We write a lot, some details are missed. I know about the horses from my view.

I do and they happened.

No it wasn’t. It was given to John as Nero sent him to Patmos same time as they tried unsuccessfully to kill him although were successful with Peter and Paul. John was in his 60s, still able to minister which Jesus prophesied was before him.

Ok but the late date has scant support except in popularity.
But that is what he meant to say. He was saying when the Gospel had been preached to the world as they knew it, the end of that covenant as they knew it would come. He was giving them the world as they knew it to be. They needed to know that.
The covenant does not end until it is fulfilled Dot Luke 22:30
No it wasn’t. It was given to John as Nero sent him to Patmos same time as they tried unsuccessfully to kill him although were successful with Peter and Paul. John was in his 60s, still able to minister which Jesus prophesied was before him.
Now I understand why you believe it was fulfilled in the first century. I researched it a bit, and there is a controversy among authorities as to the date of the writing of it. I am glad you and I agree that the horses parallel the initial signs given by Jesus, But since the date is not determined, I fully understand why you think as you do, but just find it illogical. Why? Because the world is continuing, and the Kingdom has not came.

Do you recognize that those signs Jesus gave were about the time he would be given the crown? You must Rev 6:2. Do you recognize the rider of the white horse as being the King Jesus?
 
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