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The Sabbath is SUNDAY, ttg, TanNinety ...?

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SputnikBoy

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The following posts were 'lifted' from another thread. The topic of the Sabbath has, of course, been debated many times. When confronted with the Sabbath issue on this forum, mainstream Christians usually respond with a rather vague notion that Sunday NEVER actually replaced the Sabbath. And yet, below, we see glaring examples of this being the case in average Christian thinking. What say, ttg, TanNinety ...anyone ...can you provide scriptures stating that God replaced the original Sabbath with Sunday?

ttg: 31 views and no replies? Methinks some are afraid to tell the truth.

Yes, you sinned. You actively denied (your word "prevented") a person the opportunity to keep the Sabbath day holy. Your assumption that his purpose of attending church might be to steal your girlfriend is not valid.


TanNinety: LOL. It is better to have given a 32nd view and not replied than to give a reply like yours ttg. Going to church keeps the sabbath day holy? ..back your comment up with some scripture that says "goto church on sunday else you defile the sabbath day".

Shred do not worry, Church is not the building where you go to but the body of believers in Christ. We are the Church not the pews and the pulpits. Your heart is in the right place about what you did, your feelings suggest that you repent, so dont worry if Jesus can forgive the ones who nailed Him to the cross He will forgive you and me.


ttg: The sabbath is at the heart of Israel's law. To keep the commandments is to correspond to the wisdom and the will of God as expressed in his work of creation.

In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."

The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

"Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).


Do the 'Sunday' conclusions of the above have any scriptural foundation at all?
 
did u have to start another thread on the Sabbath?? :o this horse hasn't only been beatin to death, its also been butchered and mutilated beyond belief. please people, leave the little horsey alone for a while......
 
phatcatholic said:
did u have to start another thread on the Sabbath?? :o this horse hasn't only been beatin to death, its also been butchered and mutilated beyond belief. please people, leave the little horsey alone for a while......

T'would be nice if the issue would go away, wouldn't it. phatcatholic? But, I'll try to make sure that I consult you before I start another thread in the future. Sorry for having been so remiss.

I could have responded to these posts in the original thread but that would have thrown the topic off-track. This is why I lifted the posts and asked a specific question of them. Wasn't that thoughtful of me? :)

While I'm waiting for the others to answer THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I ASKED OF THEM, maybe you could give it a shot, phatcatholic. It's pretty simple really ...all I'm asking for are the scriptures that replace the Sabbath with SUNDAY. Alternatively, you can give me some appropriate literature from the Catholic catechism if you wish. ;-)
 
Just as I don't believe Dec 25th is Jesus's birthday I don't believe sunday is the sabbath. But whatever day it is this is what I believe about sabbath

John 5:16 So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for breaking the Sabbath rules. 17 But Jesus replied, "My Father never stops working, so why should I?" 18 So the Jewish leaders tried all the more to kill him. In addition to disobeying the Sabbath rules, he had spoken of God as his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

The only way to keep the sabbath holy is not by gathering/attending at a church building but doing what we Christians are called to do every single day i.e., love God with all we have got and love our neighbour as we would ourself. Now, are we to do the above on a special holy day? I would rather do it everyday than to do it only on a pagan "sun" day. I will keep my commandments of love and let israel keep its commandments of law.
 
TanNinety said:
Just as I don't believe Dec 25th is Jesus's birthday I don't believe sunday is the sabbath. But whatever day it is this is what I believe about sabbath

John 5:16 So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for breaking the Sabbath rules. 17 But Jesus replied, "My Father never stops working, so why should I?" 18 So the Jewish leaders tried all the more to kill him. In addition to disobeying the Sabbath rules, he had spoken of God as his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

The only way to keep the sabbath holy is not by gathering/attending at a church building but doing what we Christians are called to do every single day i.e., love God with all we have got and love our neighbour as we would ourself. Now, are we to do the above on a special holy day? I would rather do it everyday than to do it only on a pagan "sun" day. I will keep my commandments of love and let israel keep its commandments of law.

Sounds like a clever excuse to duck outta church. I shoulda thought of that long ago. :-D
 
Again the Sabbath is Jesus Christ our Lord as explained in Hebrews 4:1-9. Colossians 2: 16-17 also explains that the OT laws are only a shadow of what Christ would do with his blood, not the realities themselves. The notes in my NIV also explain that the obersvance of the Sabbath and religious ceremonies & festivals is a faliure to recognize that Jesus has already fulfilled them. Therefore, the question of this thread is moot. :)
 
TanNinety said:
Just as I don't believe Dec 25th is Jesus's birthday I don't believe sunday is the sabbath. But whatever day it is this is what I believe about sabbath

John 5:16 So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for breaking the Sabbath rules. 17 But Jesus replied, "My Father never stops working, so why should I?" 18 So the Jewish leaders tried all the more to kill him. In addition to disobeying the Sabbath rules, he had spoken of God as his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

The only way to keep the sabbath holy is not by gathering/attending at a church building but doing what we Christians are called to do every single day i.e., love God with all we have got and love our neighbor as we would ourself. Now, are we to do the above on a special holy day? I would rather do it everyday than to do it only on a pagan "sun" day. I will keep my commandments of love and let israel keep its commandments of law.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Good job my friend.
 
belovedwolfofgod said:
Sounds like a clever excuse to duck outta church. I shoulda thought of that long ago. :-D
:-D As simple as that sounds I dont think we will be able to duck outta Church. Since we are the Church, we carry it with us every where we go. :wink:

Thank you SputnikBoy and Imagican.
 
The thing that gives me the most problem about the Sabbath/Sunday issue has little to do with denomination or belief system. The main problem for me is that God - who I often DON'T understand and often admit to this - went out of His way to bless, set apart, and record for all time the importance of the seventh-day of the weekly cycle. He did so 1. way before the first Jew came into existence, 2. before the first sin by a human being had been committed, 3. and never annulled or changed that day for another in any recorded scripture.

The idea that God would even give the Ten Commandments (the 4th of which is the Sabbath-command) in the first place only for them to be later ignored by a bunch of Christians who 'can't be bothered' because it may be seen as 'working one's way to heaven' seems ludicrous to me.

Further mystifying to me is the fact that if the question were asked, "Do you then go out of your way to BREAK any of the commandments, the response would be, "Don't be silly, of course not." The logic behing such a response is that, yes indeed, the commandments ARE to be upheld, just as long as we don't make it public knowledge.

I don't wonder that atheists have problems understanding Christians and WHAT, exactly, maketh a Christian in the first place. 'Works' is the dirtiest word in Christiandom, it would seem. And yet, the scriptures tell us that, without works, faith is dead. To those who don't carry a degree in theology it really is quite simple. Keep the commands of God, as asked of us in the Bible, and all else will fall into place.

The biggest stumbling block to Christians of today is NOT the Ten Commandments, per se. The biggest stumbling block to present-day Christianity is that wretched 4th-commandment. You see, try as they might, they can't eliminate it and replace it with Sunday from the scriptures alone. So, they have to eliminate ALL of the commandments that were carved on to tables of stone. Then ...they get all theological and 'Spirit-filled' as they offer explanations why . . .
 
Jesus fulfilled the law for us, Sputnik. And that includes the Sabbath law.

John 4: 21, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worhsip the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers tha Father seeks."

One can worship God in spirit anywhere, any time, and any day. SO this talk about the Sabbath being a day of the week is Jewish regulations from the Old Covenant. It is only a shadow of what Jesus would give to us in Spirit. :)
 
Heidi said:
Jesus fulfilled the law for us, Sputnik. And that includes the Sabbath law.

The word 'fulfill' has been explained to you SO many times, Heidi, but you don't want to listen. Jesus did NOT 'do away' with the law. He fulfilled the law in as much as He showed us how the law can and should be kept. He was perfect, remember.

John 4: 21, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worhsip the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers tha Father seeks."

One can worship God in spirit anywhere, any time, and any day.

As could those in the Old Testament. But, this is a red herring because it doesn't address the issue.

SO this talk about the Sabbath being a day of the week is Jewish regulations from the Old Covenant. It is only a shadow of what Jesus would give to us in Spirit. :)

Name me ONE Jew who was around at the time God blest and made the seventh-day holy, Heidi, and I'll concede that you are right. Fair enough?
 
SputnikBoy said:
Heidi said:
Jesus fulfilled the law for us, Sputnik. And that includes the Sabbath law.

The word 'fulfill' has been explained to you SO many times, Heidi, but you don't want to listen. Jesus did NOT 'do away' with the law. He fulfilled the law in as much as He showed us how the law can and should be kept. He was perfect, remember.

John 4: 21, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worhsip the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers tha Father seeks."

One can worship God in spirit anywhere, any time, and any day.

As could those in the Old Testament. But, this is a red herring because it doesn't address the issue.

SO this talk about the Sabbath being a day of the week is Jewish regulations from the Old Covenant. It is only a shadow of what Jesus would give to us in Spirit. :)

Name me ONE Jew who was around at the time God blest and made the seventh-day holy, Heidi, and I'll concede that you are right. Fair enough?

The bible is who decides who is right which you fail to understand. Again, Colossians 2: 16-17. "Therefore, do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Jesus Christ."

Since you have no clue what the new convenant means, then I can understand your unbelief. But trying to get me to disbelieve the bible won't work. So you can become a Jew and still worship OT laws. Christians look to Christ for the fulfillment of the law. ;-)
 
SputnikBoy said:
Name me ONE Jew who was around at the time God blest and made the seventh-day holy, Heidi, and I'll concede that you are right. Fair enough?

Heidi said:
The bible is who decides who is right which you fail to understand. Again, Colossians 2: 16-17. "Therefore, do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Jesus Christ."

Was Paul talking to you, Heidi, when he made that oft-misinterpreted scripture? No he wasn't. Paul had not a clue that you or anyone alive today would be reading his letters. Again, that particular scripture has been disected and explained SO many times previously that there is no point in doing so yet again. Paul was addressing specific issues with specific people. Furthermore, these issues had nothing to do with the Creation Sabbath which had NEVER been a 'shadow' that pointed to Jesus.

As far as I know, Jesus didn't carry a copy of the Ten Commandments around with Him to guide His every move. But, He DID keep the spirit of the Holy Law in everything He did. For us, Jesus is INDEED our reality and this is why emulating His life should not be too much a burden for us. For those who DO wish to emulate Jesus' keeping of the Sabbath, then perhaps you might follow your own scripture and not judge them as you have a tendency to do, Heidi. :wink:


Heidi said:
Since you have no clue what the new convenant means, then I can understand your unbelief.

And what unbelief is that, Heidi?

Heidi said:
But trying to get me to disbelieve the bible won't work. So you can become a Jew and still worship OT laws. Christians look to Christ for the fulfillment of the law. ;-)

I'll repeat my previous question. Name me ONE Jew who was around at the time God blest and made the seventh-day holy, Heidi.
 
SputnikBoy said:
SputnikBoy said:
Name me ONE Jew who was around at the time God blest and made the seventh-day holy, Heidi, and I'll concede that you are right. Fair enough?

Heidi said:
The bible is who decides who is right which you fail to understand. Again, Colossians 2: 16-17. "Therefore, do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Jesus Christ."

Was Paul talking to you, Heidi, when he made that oft-misinterpreted scripture? No he wasn't. Paul had not a clue that you or anyone alive today would be reading his letters. Again, that particular scripture has been disected and explained SO many times previously that there is no point in doing so yet again. Paul was addressing specific issues with specific people. Furthermore, these issues had nothing to do with the Creation Sabbath which had NEVER been a 'shadow' that pointed to Jesus.

As far as I know, Jesus didn't carry a copy of the Ten Commandments around with Him to guide His every move. But, He DID keep the spirit of the Holy Law in everything He did. For us, Jesus is INDEED our reality and this is why emulating His life should not be too much a burden for us. For those who DO wish to emulate Jesus' keeping of the Sabbath, then perhaps you might follow your own scripture and not judge them as you have a tendency to do, Heidi. :wink:


Heidi said:
Since you have no clue what the new convenant means, then I can understand your unbelief.

And what unbelief is that, Heidi?

Heidi said:
But trying to get me to disbelieve the bible won't work. So you can become a Jew and still worship OT laws. Christians look to Christ for the fulfillment of the law. ;-)

I'll repeat my previous question. Name me ONE Jew who was around at the time God blest and made the seventh-day holy, Heidi.

Hello? :o Jesus is the Word as explained in John 1:1-3. So he didn't need to carry around a copy of the Ten Commandments! You really need to brush up on your bible understanding before you make your ludicrous assertions, Sputnik.

What in the world does a Jew being around at the time of the Ten commandments have to do with anything? :o There is a reason that the 7th day is even in the Ten Commandents and all the other rituals are not. Do you really think that God honored sloth enough to make it a commandment? :o The Sabbath is in the Ten Commandments because it honors God's rest which is Jesus Christ our Lord. "Come to me and I will give you rest." Hebrews 4:1-0 explains that very clearly. But since again, you have no clue what Colossians 2:17 means by the OT being a shadow of what Jesus would write on our hearts then you don't understand what Jesus means by fulfilling the law for us. You have shown that you're not ready for solid food yet, Sputnik. :wink:
 
Heidi said:
SputnikBoy said:
I'll repeat my previous question. Name me ONE Jew who was around at the time God blest and made the seventh-day holy, Heidi.

Hello? :o Jesus is the Word as explained in John 1:1-3. So he didn't need to carry around a copy of the Ten Commandments! You really need to brush up on your bible understanding before you make your ludicrous assertions, Sputnik.

Heidi, Heidi, Heidi! I KNOW Jesus didn't carry around a copy of the Ten Commandments, you silly billy. I was simply making a point ...lost on you, obviously. Could you read my post again and try to figure it out? Oh, on second thoughts ...don't bother.

Heidi said:
What in the world does a Jew being around at the time of the Ten commandments have to do with anything? :o

Heidi (X3)! Again you've misunderstood. I'm talking about naming a single solitary Jew who was around at CREATION. You see, God blest and made holy the seventh-day at Creation, NOT at the time the Ten Commandments were given. So, the Sabbath was a holy day WAY before it was given to the Jews. Comprende?

Heidi said:
There is a reason that the 7th day is even in the Ten Commandents and all the other rituals are not. Do you really think that God honored sloth enough to make it a commandment? :o

Huh?

Heidi said:
The Sabbath is in the Ten Commandments because it honors God's rest which is Jesus Christ our Lord.

But - again - the Sabbath was instituted at Creation, Heidi. This was not only way before the first Jew but also before mankind had a need for a Savior (Jesus Christ). Man had not sinned yet. Don't you see this?

Heidi said:
"Come to me and I will give you rest." Hebrews 4:1-0 explains that very clearly.

So, why not simply say, "Come to me and I will give you rest" ...? Does that need a 'symbol' such as a day that God blest and made holy at Creation? Isn't this somewhat an 'overkill' for a message so simple?

Heidi said:
But since again, you have no clue what Colossians 2:17 means by the OT being a shadow of what Jesus would write on our hearts then you don't understand what Jesus means by fulfilling the law for us. You have shown that you're not ready for solid food yet, Sputnik. :wink:

Oohhh . . .you sure know how to hurt a guy! Have you ever heard the expression of the pot calling the kettle black, Heidi? The 'shadows' spoken of in Colossians 2:17 have been explained so many times to mean other than what you're interpreting them to mean, Heidi. And you know it.
 
Is it possible for us to reach a consensus - on this forum, at least - on the ACCURATE interpretations of Hebrews 4:1-9 and Colossians 2:17 so that they are NEVER AGAIN used to get rid of the Sabbath and install Sunday in its place?
 
TanNinety said:
Just as I don't believe Dec 25th is Jesus's birthday I don't believe sunday is the sabbath. But whatever day it is this is what I believe about sabbath

John 5:16 So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for breaking the Sabbath rules. 17 But Jesus replied, "My Father never stops working, so why should I?" 18 So the Jewish leaders tried all the more to kill him. In addition to disobeying the Sabbath rules, he had spoken of God as his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

The only way to keep the sabbath holy is not by gathering/attending at a church building but doing what we Christians are called to do every single day i.e., love God with all we have got and love our neighbour as we would ourself. Now, are we to do the above on a special holy day? I would rather do it everyday than to do it only on a pagan "sun" day. I will keep my commandments of love and let israel keep its commandments of law.
Is the pagan "sun" day worse than the pagan "saturn" day? And which came first, the seven days of the week or paganism?
 
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    The true position taught in the Bible and this website that the Sabbath was abolished at the cross and Christians have worshipped since the cross, on the first day (Sunday).
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    The false position taught by the Catholic Church that the Pope changed the day Christians worship from Saturday to Sunday.
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    The false position taught by most Protestant churches that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath.

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#1. THE TRUTH: (The position defended at this website)

The Truth:

The universal record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have always worshipped on the first day of the week (Sunday) and never on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept.

This quote is used by Sabbatarians, but in fact refutes their position. Campbell, for example, taught that the Sabbath was abolished!

  • "The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change." (Alexander Campbell, First Day Observance, pp. 17, 19)
The 10 commandment law including the requirement to keep the Sabbath day were abolished at the cross along with all the rest of the law of Moses. God gave a covenant at Mt. Sinai through Moses to the Jews. It is called the first/old covenant/testament. The ten commandments are the foremost visible representation of this first/old covenant was replaced by a new covenant called, among other things "the law of Christ". 100% of the old covenant was abolished. No part of the Old Covenant remains in force. No one prior to Moses (Abraham or Adam) ever heard of the Sabbath law much less kept it. The very first time that anyone was commanded to keep the Sabbath was in Exodus 16. The word "Sabbath" is not even found in the book of Genesis. Genesis 2:2-3 was written by Moses to tell Jews at Sinai the meaning behind WHY they were to keep the Sabbath, NOT WHEN the Sabbath was instituted. The universal meeting day of Christians after the resurrection was Sunday, and so has been to this very day. Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's Supper (communion, break bread) Acts 20:7. Christians do not keep the ten commandment law of Moses. This is not to say that Christians are free to steal, murder and commit adultery, just because the 10 commandments have been abolished. No! Christians are under a new law, a better Law, the law of Christ, (Galatians 6:2) a better covenant (Hebrews 8:6-7). Paul stated, "If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment." (1 Corinthians 14:37) Apostle Peter said at the beginning of the establishment of the church, "Moses said, 'THE LORD GOD SHALL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED in everything He says to you. 'And it shall be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'" Thus we listen to Christ in all things and Moses in nothing. This is New Testament Christianity!

#2. The Seventh-day Adventist position:

False Sabbatarian view:

Christians originally kept the Sabbath right from the time of the apostles, but due to the influence of the devil, Christians went into universal apostasy for over 1600 years until, of course the arrival of Ellen G. White, the Adventist prophet, who saw, contrary to what the Bible says in Colossians 2:16, that the Sabbath law was not nailed to the cross.

Historically, it was in 1844 the first Adventists (known then as Millerites) started keeping the Sabbath, introduced to them by a Seventh-day Baptist named Joseph Bates, who convinced their Methodist minister that the Bible teaches us to keep the Sabbath. Joseph Bates learned the Sabbath from some articles from a man named Pribie who learned it from Fredrick Wheeler of the church at New Hampshire. Wheeler, a Millerite preacher at the time (early 1844) accepted the Sabbath after a study which was due to a challenge from Rachel Oaks (Preston),a Seventh Day Baptist. Rachel's daughter was attending this church, and so did Rachel when she moved into the area to live with her daughter. Bates was of the Christian Church like James White. He published his findings in three versions. The first version was given in 1846, to James White and Ellen Harmon on their way to get married. They accepted the Sabbath doctrine. Bates also preached to a small group in New York where the Sabbath was accepted (Hiram Edson). This was the nucleus of the Sabbatarian Adventists who would later become Seventh-day Adventists. The Millerites for the most part never accepted the Sabbath or the 1844 experience. Those who remained "Adventists" formed the Church of God (Abrahamic Faith), the Advent Christian (1861) and the Evangelical Adventist who are now defunct. It is the Advent Christian Church (Sunday keepers) who taught 17 year old Charles T. Russell that Christ came spiritually and then with Barbour (another Advent Christian) wrote the book, The Three Worlds. Later forming an independant group which would become the Jehovah's Witnesses

Two active Anabaptist leaders, Andreas Fisher and Oswald Glait, became the pioneer and promoters of the Sabbath in 1527 AD. Both were former priests who had sacrificed the priesthood to become first Lutherans, and then Anabaptists. Glait and Fischer were astonished to read in the Bible that the weekly day God wanted men to keep holy was not Sunday, the first day of the week, but Saturday, the seventh day. When they began to teach this, theologians were sent to persuade them to abandon what they called the "Jewish Sabbath." Both of them suffered a martyr death, largely due to their Sabbatarian views. Sabbatarians owe a debt of gratitude to these Sabbath pioneers whose work later influenced the origin of the Seventh-day Baptist church. The latter (Joseph Bates) has been instrumental in helping the early Adventists promote the Sabbath. But God, they say, chose Ellen White and the modern Seventh-day Adventist movement as the medium through which to reveal and confirm this "truth" through direct inspiration and revelation. Although Adventists believe that a tiny unknown remnant has always kept the Sabbath day, (like the Seventh-day Baptist preacher mentioned above) only in the 19th century did God, through the Seventh-day Adventist church, restore in any measurable way, by direct revelation, the truth that the day Christians worship was Saturday. Adventists openly teach that early Christians borrowed Sunday as the day of worship from the pagan religion of Mithraism in about 140 AD. Gradually Sunday replaced the Sabbath day (Saturday) so that today the worship on Sunday is an almost universal Christian practice of apostasy and totally contrary to the will of God. "Sunday keepers", as Sabbatarians call them, have been deceived by the devil. SDA's interpret "The Seal of God" to be "Saturday Sabbathkeeping" vs "The Mark of the Beast" which they interpret to mean "Sunday Sabbathkeeping" - not now, but AFTER an assumed national Sunday law is passed so all must choose between the two. Of course these interpretations are apostate in themselves.

#3. The Catholic Position

False Catholic view:

Catholics teach that the Pope changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Catholics worship God on the right day (1st Day) for the wrong reasons. Catholic theology is often confused within itself. Having observed that Christians have always met on Sunday, they figured that God must have transferred the significance of the Sabbath commandment to Sunday. This is simply untrue. The Sabbath is abolished. Sunday is not a day of rest. The resurrection of Christ is the primary reason why Christians meet on Sunday. Catholics flatter themselves into thinking they made the change. Yet even Catholics have always taught that Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:1-2 and Rev 1:10 are clear Biblical references supporting the practice of worshipping on Sunday. Although some Catholics have suggested that the pope changed the Sabbath well after Christians had an established practice of Sabbath keeping, this point has been strongly rejected by the highest Catholic authorities today. Notice these quotes:

  • "If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church," (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore replying for the Cardinal in a letter dated February 10, 1920)

    "The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law," (Kansas City Catholic, February 9, 1893)
In reality, what the Catholic church believes is that apostle Peter was the first pope (the first pope was in 606 AD not Peter) and that the very earliest Christians, in apostolic times "transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday", by the will of God. Officially Catholics have always taught that the universal practice of the earliest Christians was to meet every Sunday. Seventh-day Adventists actually misrepresent the official teaching of the Catholic church. Yes the Catholic church does teach that it, by authority given to it by God, made the change, but that change was realized early in the Apostolic age. (33-96AD). So Catholics mistakenly call the 1st day, the Sabbath, borrowing the term from the Old Testament, rather than abolishing it with animal sacrifices. Catholics, however, do a lot of judaizing (bring Mosaic practices into the church).

Notice that Catholics DO NOT say that Christians once kept the Sabbath, (Saturday) then CHANGED the day of worship to Sunday. Rather they actually teach that this change took place at the time when Christians first started to worship on Sunday in 33 AD. It is critical to keep in mind that the Catholic church claims direct apostolic authority from the present Pope in Rome right back to Peter.

#4. The General Protestant Position

False Protestant view:

The universal practice of Christians has always been Sunday, similar to the Catholic position, the meaning of the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday, to commemorate the resurrection of Christ. but some are doing the right thing for the wrong reason. When Protestants today wrongly apply the 4th Sabbath commandment as the reason why they worship on Sunday, they are not only mistaken, but are making themselves very vulnerable to manipulation by the various Sabbatarian groups. Any church that claims to keep the 10 commandments or the Sabbath day are highly vulnerable to any preying Sabbatarian group.

Here are some typical quotes from Protestant churches:

  • "The Sabbath is a part of the decalogue  the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution ... Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand ... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath." (T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474, 475, Presbyterian)

    As it is the law of nature, that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, be set apart for the worship of God, so by his Word, in a positive moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven for a sabbath to be kept holy unto him, which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ was changed into the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's day: and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished. (Exodus 20:8; 1 Corinthians 16:1-2; Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) (Reformed Baptist Church, The Baptist Confession of Faith, 1689 AD, Chapter 22, Article 7)
Such churches will be hard pressed to justify their practice of worshipping on Sunday, while quoting the 4th commandment. "Six days you shall labour, but the seventh is the Sabbath." A simple kitchen calendar showing that Saturday is the "seventh" day of the week (just count them off) is the only evangelistic tool Sabbatarians need to convert these Christians to their Saturday keeping churches. Of course, not all Protestant churches take this position, but it is the majority view.

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Deceptively used Mis-Quotes commonly used by Sabbatarians from various churches.

These quotes fall into two categories. First Adventists merely point out the false doctrine of other churches, like the false doctrine that the Pope changed the day (False Catholic view) or that the sanctity of the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday (The False Protestant view). Second, they quote a number of churches, like the church of Christ, Congregationalists and who actually teach the truth! They fail to tell you that these groups teach that the Sabbath was not changed to Sunday, it was abolished! Adventist's always leave that important fact out to trick you into thinking they teach that we should really be keeping the 7th day Sabbath!

Church of Christ (Same as Truth taught at this website)

These churches teach the truth! Sabbatarians misrepresent these churches who actually teach the Sabbath was abolished and quote Colosians chapter 2, verse 16 as proof! Further, these churches reject the Sabbath was changed to Sunday and reject the idea that Sunday is a Christian Sabbath. They teach that Christians began worshipping on the first day (Sunday) since resurrection day and quote Acts Chapter 20, verse 7 as weekly communion and 1 Corinthians Chapter 16, verses 1-2 as proof of Christians gave and worshipping every Sunday with apostolic approval.

Adventists quote Campbell as if he agrees with them, but they are not honest enough to tell you that Campbell’s central point in this article is exactly what we have been saying all along, namely that the Sabbath was not changed to Sunday, it was abolished! Adventist's always leave that important fact out to trick you into thinking the Church of Christ teaches that we should really be keeping the 7th day Sabbath!
  • "I do not believe that the Lord's day came in the room of the Jewish Sabbath, or that the Sabbath was changed from the seventh to the first day." (Alexander Campbell, Washington Reporter, October 8, 1821)
    Our Comment: Absolutely true! I believe the Sabbath was abolished, not changed to Sunday! But this quote doesn’t help Sabbatarians at all!
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  • "'But,' say some, 'it was changed from the seventh to the first day.' Where? when? and by whom? No man can tell. No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed! It is all old wives' fables to talk of the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws 'ex officio' -- I think his name is Doctor Antichrist" (Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, February 2, 1824, vol. 1, no. 7, p. 164)
    Our Comment: If you read the quote, Campbell is actually defending the fact that the Sabbath was never changed to Sunday. Of course in the very same article Campbell says the Sabbath was abolished, but Adventist’s don’t want you to see that part of the article. They just engage in selective quoting! We also wonder why Sabbatarians would use this quote, when Campbell’s conclusion was that no one changed the day! His comment about Constantine refers to the fact that he started calling it the Sabbath, not that the day was change. Read the whole article and Sabbatarians will never use this quote again if they are honest! [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change." (Alexander Campbell, First Day Observance, pp. 17, 19)
    Our Comment: We completely agree! This is what I say! As in the above quote, Campbell is merely pointing out that Constantine was wrong when he started calling Sunday the Sabbath! Again Adventists quote Campbell as if he agrees with them, but they are not honest enough to tell you that Campbell’s central point in this article is exactly what we have been saying all along, namely that the Sabbath was not changed to Sunday, it was abolished! Adventist's always leave that important fact out to trick you into thinking the Church of Christ teaches that we should really be keeping the 7th day Sabbath![/*:m:6280e]
Anglican, Episcopal (Same as false Catholic view)
Click here to learn more about the false Catholic claim to have changed the day to Sunday.
Click here to learn that Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath.
  • "Is there any command in the New Testament to change the day of weekly rest from Saturday to Sunday? - None." (Manual of Christian Doctrine, p 127) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it." (Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons on the Catechism, vol. 1, pp.334, 336) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters.... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday." (Canon Eyton, The Ten Commandments, pp. 52, 63, 65) [/*:m:6280e]
  • We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church." ( Bishop Seymour, Why We Keep Sunday.) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The Bible commandment says on the seventh-day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday," ( Philip Carrington, Anglican Archbishop of Quebec, quoted in Toronto Daily Star, October 26, 1949.)[/*:m:6280e]
Baptist (False Protestant view)

Click here to learn that The Sabbath did not exist in Eden.
Click here to learn that The Ten commandments are the abolished first covenant.
Click here to learn that Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath.
  • As it is the law of nature, that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, be set apart for the worship of God, so by his Word, in a positive moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven for a sabbath to be kept holy unto him, which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ was changed into the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's day: and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished. (Exodus 20:8; 1 Corinthians 16:1-2; Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) (Reformed Baptist Church, The Baptist Confession of Faith, 1689 AD, Chapter 22, Article 7) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "I honestly believe that this commandment [the Sabbath commandment] is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated [abolished], but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27). It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was -- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age. (Moody Bible Institute: "Sabbath was before Sinai") [/*:m:6280e]
  • The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God Wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?" (D. L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, Fleming H. Revell Co.: New York, pp. 47, 48) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The Lord's Day is not sanctified by any specific command or by any inevitable inference. In all the New Testament there is no hint or suggestion of a legal obligation binding any man, whether saint or sinner, to observe the Day. Its sanctity arises only out of what it means to the true believer," (J.J. Taylor, The Sabbatic Question, p. 72) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day: but the Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask: Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament, absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week." (Dr Edward T Hiscox, author of the Baptist Manual)[/*:m:6280e]
  • "Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism," (Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, paper read August 20, 1893, at a Baptist ministers' meeting at Saratoga, New York) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance." (William Owen Carver, The Lord's Day in Our Day, p. 49)[/*:m:6280e]
Chambers Encyclopedia (Same as Truth taught at this website)

click here to learn more about why this edict did not change the day Christians worshipped.
  • "Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the sabbatical observance of that day [Sunday] is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine. 321 AD." (Chambers Encyclopedia 1882 ed. Vol. VIII, p.401, art. "Sabbath")[/*:m:6280e]
Congregationalist (Same as Truth taught at this website)

These churches teach the truth! Sabbatarians misrepresent these churches who actually teach the Sabbath was abolished and quote Colosians Chapter 2, verse 16 as proof! Further, these churches reject the Sabbath was changed to Sunday and reject the idea that Sunday is a Christian Sabbath. They teach that Christians began worshipping on the first day (Sunday) since resurrection day and quote Acts Chapter 20, verse 7 as weekly communion and 1 Corinthians Chapter 16, verses 1-2 as proof of Christians gave and worshipping every Sunday with apostolic approval.
  • "It is quite clear that however rigidly or devoutly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath ... The Sabbath was founded on a specific, divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday. There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday." (Dr R W Dale, Ten Commandments, page 127-129) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively substituted the first day for the seventh, is absolutely without any authority in the New Testament," (Dr. Lyman Abbott, Christian Union, June 26, 1890)[/*:m:6280e]
Lutheran (False Protestant view)

Click here to learn that The Ten commandments are the abolished first covenant.
Click here to learn that Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath.
  • "But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel ... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect." (John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday, pp. 15, 16) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday." (Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church Henry John Rose, tr., 1843, p. 186) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The observance of the Lord's day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church." (Augsburg Confession of Faith, quoted in Catholic Sabbath Manual, part 2, chapter 1, Section 10) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!" (Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. 1911, p. 63) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both." (The Sunday Problem, a study book of the United Lutheran Church, 1923, p. 36)[/*:m:6280e]
Methodist, Pentecostal (False Protestant view)

Click here to learn that The Ten commandments are the abolished first covenant.
Click here to learn that Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath.
  • "Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day." (Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942, p.26) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken .... Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other." (John Wesley, The Works of the Rev. John Wesley, A.M., John Emory, ed., New York: Eaton & Mains, Sermon 25,vol. 1, p. 221) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "It is true there is no positive command for infant baptism . . . . Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week. Many believe that Christ changed the Sabbath. But, from His own words, we see that He came for no such purpose. Those who believe that Jesus changed the Sabbath based it only on a supposition," (Amos Binney, Theological Compendium,1902 edition, pp. 171, 180-181)[/*:m:6280e]

Presbyterian (False Protestant view)
Click here to learn that The Ten commandments are the abolished first covenant.
  • "It being expedient to overthrow superstition, the Jewish holiday was abolished and as a thing necessary to retain decency, order, and peace in the church . . . the early Christians substituted what we call the Lord's Day for the Sabbath," (John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, I, p. 343) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The Christian Sabbath (Sunday) is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath." (Dwight's Theology, volume 4, p. 401) [/*:m:6280e]
  • "The Sabbath is a part of the decalogue  the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution ... Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand ... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath." (T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474, 475)[/*:m:6280e]
Roman Catholic (Catholic False view)
Click here to learn more about the false Catholic claim to have changed the day to Sunday.
  • "All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles changed [the day of worship] from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible," (Article, "To Tell You The Truth," The Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"For ages all Christian nations looked to the Catholic Church, and, as we have seen, the various states enforced by law her ordinances as to worship and cessation of labor on Sunday. Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the Church, has no good reason for its Sunday theory, and ought logically, to keep Saturday as the Sabbath. The State in passing laws for the due Sanctification of Sunday, is unwittingly acknowledging the authority of the Catholic Church, and carrying out more or less faithfully its prescriptions. The Sunday as a day of the week set apart for the obligatory public worship of Almighty God is purely a creation of the Catholic Church," (John Gilmary Shea, American Catholic Quarterly, January 1883, p. 139) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"From this same Catholic Church you [Protestants] have accepted your Sunday, and that Sunday, as the Lord's day, she has handed down as a tradition; and the entire Protestant world has accepted it as a tradition, for you have not an iota of Scripture to establish it. Therefore that which you have accepted as your rule of faith, inadequate as it of course is, as well as your Sunday you have accepted on the authority of the Roman Catholic Church," (D.B. Ray, The Papal Controversy, p. 179) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church," (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore replying for the Cardinal in a letter dated February 10, 1920) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"It was the Catholic Church which, by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest [from the Bible Sabbath] to Sunday . . . . Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church," (Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About Protestantism of Today, 1868, p. 213
    ) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"Protestants . . . accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change . . . . But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible, in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope," (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"Prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says, No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church," (Priest Thomas Enright, CSSR, President of Redemptorist College, Kansas City, Missouri, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"Question -- By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday? Answer -- The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plentitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her," (Peter F. Geiermann, The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, 1923 edition, p. 59) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"Question -- How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days? Answer -- By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of [by observing it]; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church," (Priest Henry Tuberville, An Abridgement of the Christian Doctrine, p. 58) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"Question -- What Bible authority is there for changing the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week? Who gave the Pope the authority to change a command of God? Answer -- If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, the Seventh-day Adventist is right, in observing the Saturday with the Jew . . . . Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher, should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?" (Bertrand Conway, The Question Box, 1903 edition, pp. 254-255, 1915 edition, p. 179) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible," (Catholic Mirror, September 2 and December 23, 1893) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"The Catholic Church . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday," (The Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1893) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"The Catholic Church of its own infallible authority created Sunday a holy day to take the place of the Sabbath of the old law," (Kansas City Catholic, February 9, 1893) [/*:m:6280e]
    [*]"We Catholics, then, have precisely the same authority for keeping Sunday holy instead of Saturday as we have for every other article of our creed; namely, the authority of the [Catholic] Church . . . whereas you who are Protestants have really no authority for it whatever; for there is no authority for it in the Bible, and you will not allow that there can be authority for it anywhere else. Both you and we do, in fact, follow tradition in this matter; but we follow it, believing it to be a part of God's word, and the [Catholic] Church to be its divinely appointed guardian and interpreter; you follow it [the Catholic Church] denouncing it all the time as a fallible and treacherous guide, which often 'makes the commandments of God of none effect' [Matthew 15:6]," (The Brotherhood of St. Paul, The Clifton Tracts, Vol. 4, tract 4, p. 15)[/*:m:6280e]

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It appears that the catholic church is playing God again. :sad Paul told us that anyone who preaches a different gospel than the one he preached is a false apostle. None of us has the right to make up our own scriptures and pass them along as the truth, and anyone who thinks he does is playing God. :evil:
 
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