The Scriptures are the Greatest Gift God has given to Mankind.

[Iconoclast]

The gratitudes are owed to king James I and Martin Luther. Without the reformation and the english translation, nobody would have access to it, and nobody would understand it, as it had been written and preached in Latin.

William Tyndale and Guttenberg were used by God to have the scriptures put into the language of the people.

 

[brightfame52]

This gift is given to all of humanity so it is crucial that it be distributed worldwide

Hi was it given to the non elect ? Or is it given to the elect ?

 

[Iconoclast]

Hi was it given to the non elect ? Or is it given to the elect ?

While it is given to all humanity, only the elect will welcome it as truth. For the non elect it reveals what is true, and why they are responsible to repent and believe the gospel. It informs them who is the creator and tells them how sin came about. if any are ambitious enough to read, they will see written That there is a Holy ,Perfect God, who will save a multitude of sinners, but also judge multitudes of guilty sinners at the White Throne judgment.

Now...do the non elect believe this?.......No. That is why they are known as unbelievers.
They love sin, and we are told they are truth suppressors;
Rom.1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; { to hold down, to suppress}

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

They twist and pervert truth. They will be religious and try to tell Christians that God can change. He can even cause sin according to their carnal reasoning. That we do not have the word of God, that the OT had a different God, That Jesus who was the law giver, changed and corrected the law given to Moses, as if one part of scripture would contradict another.
Some set aside Godly teaching and speak ill of the truth, condemn solid teaching as the "doctrines of men".
Some tell us that we do not need the local church that God has ordained, and that all such teachers can be ignored. Instead they offer to "teach us" online, and offer false ideas as true. They do not receive biblical correction at any time. If they have the ability, they suppress and censor those who offer truth because their foul deeds get exposed by scriptural light.
Meanwhile those elected by God continue on reading and obeying scripture. They use good study books, Confessions of faith, Biblical Catechisms, Commentaries, lectures, sermons and any other tools available that the Spirit can use to illuminate our minds to truth. Psalm 1, and psalm 119 are, are never far away from them, They delight to learn with a view to serve. They draw near to God in prayer and the God given scripture.

So we can see that the scripture is the greatest gift given to mankind. a two edged sword;
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

It reveals the True and Living God, who is Perfect and Immutable in all His Attributes.

 

[brightfame52]

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While it is given to all humanity, only the elect will welcome it as truth. For the non elect it reveals what is true, and why they are responsible to repent and believe the gospel.

Is it the responsibility of the nonelect to repent and be saved?

 

[Iconoclast]

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Is it the responsibility of the nonelect to repent and be saved?

Yes, all men are responsible to repent. Paul preached to all men everywhere;Acts 17:
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

BF, We go about in public and see men. We do not see elect , or non elect men. God knows that and knows each one by name. As we walk about, we see sinners. Some are ordained to be saved, some are passed over. In either case we are to be faithful to proclaim all truth. I am not worried that a non elect person...is going to sneak in. God the Spirit will effectually draw all elect persons savingly to Jesus.
They will repent by God given grace. The others will pass on and remain in the realm of death. They have been ordained to this condemnation, but as I do not know who is who, we preach and teach to all men.
The gospel is freely offered. The results belong to God.
2cor2:
14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

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Yes, all men are responsible to repent.

I said repent and be saved.So its not Christs responsibility to save people and give them repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.










I said

 

[Iconoclast]

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I said repent and be saved. So its not Christs responsibility to save people and give them repentance Acts 5:31

I did not say that, did I?
I said All men everywhere are responsible to repent and believe.
The saving and who are saved is up to the Triune God,.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

You seem to be fishing for something that I am unaware of.
Are you a Primitive Baptist BF?

I said

 

[brightfame52]

I did not say that, did I?
I said All men everywhere are responsible to repent and believe.
The saving and who are saved is up to the Triune God,.

You seem to be fishing for something that I am unaware of.
Are you a Primitive Baptist BF?

I dont understand why you believe that the non elect whom Christ didn't die for to save them, why you believe its their responsibility to repent and get saved ? You know its Christ's responsibility to save the sinners His Father gave Him to save.

 

[Iconoclast]

I dont understand why you believe that the non elect whom Christ didn't die for to save them, why you believe its their responsibility to repent and get saved ? You know its Christ's responsibility to save the sinners His Father gave Him to save.

1] God has commanded all men everywhere to repent

2] You and I do not know the identity of the elect, or the non elect. We know all men are sinners

3] We preach and teach that all men are commanded to repent and believe the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

1] God has commanded all men everywhere to repent

2] You and I do not know the identity of the elect, or the non elect. We know all men are sinners

3] We preach and teach that all men are commanded to repent and believe the gospel.

You know the non elect, since Christ didnt die for them, they owe a debt to the Law of God ! Who is going to pay it ? The law doesnt accept repentance, you either do or die.

 

[electedbyHim]

brightfame52

Do you believe in God's sovereignty and man's responsibility?

 

[brightfame52]

brightfame52

Do you believe in God's sovereignty and man's responsibility?

Mans responsibility in what regard ? And of course you should know I believe in Gods Sovereignty if you have paid attention to my threads and posts.

 

[miamited]

Hi Iconoclast

While I certainly hold the Scriptures in high regard as they are the very oracles of God handed down to us through His people Israel, they are not the greatest gift that God has given mankind. That place is and henceforth always will be reserved for His Son.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Iconoclast]

Hi Iconoclast

While I certainly hold the Scriptures in high regard as they are the very oracles of God handed down to us through His people Israel, they are not the greatest gift that God has given mankind. That place is and henceforth always will be reserved for His Son.

God bless,
Ted

Hello Ted Where is it that we learn about The Son?without Scriptures how would we have accurate knowledge?

 

[miamited]

Hello Ted Where is it that we learn about The Son?without Scriptures how would we have accurate knowledge?

Hi Iconoclast

You'll get no argument from me that the Scriptures are where we learn of God's salvation. But it's still the actual death and sacrifice of God's Son that made what the Scriptures tell us... a reality. The Scriptures are the story. The Son gives life abundantly to those who will believe.

God bless,
Ted

 

[electedbyHim]

Mans responsibility in what regard ? And of course you should know I believe in Gods Sovereignty if you have paid attention to my threads and posts.

Mans responsibility in what regard ? And of course you should know I believe in Gods Sovereignty if you have paid attention to my threads and posts.

Mans responsibility to come to Christ, even know he is dead in sin.

I do not think it can be explained.

Macarthur says it quite well in my opinion.

MacArthur’s INCREDIBLE Take on Arminianism Vs Calvinism

 

[brightfame52]

electedbyhim

Mans responsibility to come to Christ, even know he is dead in sin.

No, the sinners Christ didnt die for are responsible to the Law of God, since Christ wasn't their Surety.

 

[BB1956]

The Greatest gift God has given to all mankind is the scriptures.
The wisdom of God is seen in this. many would say that salvation is the greatest gift.
Quite a few would say That Jesus is the greatest gift.
Upon careful examination...it has to be the scriptures.
It does not take long to become obvious why this is so if carefully thought out.

I believe that without the ransom sacrifice of God's only begotten Son the scriptures are meaningless. I can study the scriptures all I want, but if that ransom sacrifice of God's only begotten Son never had happened, then the scriptures would be meaningless to me. It's not the study of the scriptures that saves me. If all I needed was to study the scriptures and express obedience of what I learn from them, then the ransom sacrifice wouldn't have been needed. So I believe the ransom sacrifice of the only begotten Son of God, is the greatest gift that God has given us, because I can't earn salvation by studying God's word.
I'm not saying I'm not to study God's word and learn from it and be obedient to what I have learned. But that I do, simply because I love God, and not to try to earn salvation from what I learn.

 

[brightfame52]

I believe that without the ransom sacrifice of God's only begotten Son the scriptures are meaningless. I can study the scriptures all I want, but if that ransom sacrifice of God's only begotten Son never had happened, then the scriptures would be meaningless to me. It's not the study of the scriptures that saves me. If all I needed was to study the scriptures and express obedience of what I learn from them, then the ransom sacrifice wouldn't have been needed. So I believe the ransom sacrifice of the only begotten Son of God, is the greatest gift that God has given us, because I can't earn salvation by studying God's word.
I'm not saying I'm not to study God's word and learn from it and be obedient to what I have learned. But that I do, simply because I love God, and not to try to earn salvation from what I learn.

So what did Christ paying the ransom price accomplish ? Who was it for and what exactly did it accomplish in your understanding ?

 

[miamited]

I dont understand why you believe that the non elect whom Christ didn't die for to save them, why you believe its their responsibility to repent and get saved ? You know its Christ's responsibility to save the sinners His Father gave Him to save.

Hi brightfame52

Personally, I think there may be some misunderstanding as to what is meant in the Scriptures as to this idea of an 'elect'. The Scriptures were given so that everyone on the entire earth could know the truth. Now whether or not they accept it as the truth is up to each individual heart. It's the parable of the sower.

I believe we make a grave error in thinking that God is only working for and with some special group identified as the 'elect', when it comes to the Scriptures, the gospel, the truth of how encompassing Jesus' sacrifice is for the saving of mankind.

God bless,
Ted