Bible Study The sons of God and daughters of men?

[JLB]

God is the only creator of all life. (Including yours and mine)

I recommend asking him.

Brother.

We are discussing scripture.

Scripture is God's word to us, to teach us.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.Genesis 6:4

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

and also afterward teaches us this activity continued after the flood.

This Can can only be true if the sons of God avoided destruction by the flood.


JLB

 

[JohnDB]

Brother.

We are discussing scripture.

Scripture is God's word to us, to teach us.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.Genesis 6:4

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

and also afterward teaches us this activity continued after the flood.

This Can can only be true if the sons of God avoided destruction by the flood.


JLB

What about Nimrod?
Jacob?
Isaac?

All were big guys and men of renown.

 

[calvin]

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

and also afterward teaches us this activity continued after the flood.

This Can can only be true if the sons of God avoided destruction by the flood.

Hmmm calvin here.
Can you please explain when exactly the 'those days' and the 'afterward'
refer to (from Scripture, quoting relevant verses?

 

[calvin]

Satan's next plan was to cause the human race to be so wicked that God would have to destroy it because He is so holy. Plan? Take the fallen angels "X sons of God" gave them the power to possess humans "demon possession" and use their organs to produce demon possessed children who grew up to be giants and wicked people who

Hello, calvin here.
I can see that you are only expressing your 'opinion' .... can you please explain (from Scripture), how you can arrive at such an 'opinion'
I can not see anywhere in Scripture where the idea that angels, fallen or not can alter the genetic make up of human beings is discussed.
Indeed it seems reasonable enough to at least opine that if these bad spirit beings could manipulate/alter the genes, dna or chromosomes of host men, why would they not simply use the women's bodies and directly interfere with their ovaries or at a minimum alter the structure of unborn babies?
When the subject is corrupting the human race,there is Scriptural precedent for corrupting the human race by attacking through a woman (though not through physical means)
What we do know, and this should be significant, is that the Satan chose to corrupt Eve (a woman).
It sowed the seeds of death and corruption in the woman not in the man.
She, Eve did that very effectively herself.

 

[JLB]

Hmmm calvin here.
Can you please explain when exactly the 'those days' and the 'afterward'
refer to (from Scripture, quoting relevant verses?

Those days refer to the days of Noah.

Afterward refers to after those days.

6Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4


JLB

 

[Chopper]

Hi Calvin. Glad to see you again. You must have been on a vacation with Hobbes.

My foundation verse is....Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Also, Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

I had also included Job 38:7 and Genesis 6:5 & 6:6.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. also 2:1.

It is my opinion, after examining quite a few places in Scripture where Satan waged a war with God to destroy any and all avenues among Israel's history thru certain men in order to eliminate any chance of the Messiah to be born and succeed, such as the wilderness temptation of Christ Jesus.

The Old Covenant shows a few attempts of Satan to stop the line that Messiah would be born thru....
The Pharaoh of Egypt, thru slavery, tried to destroy Israel. The killing of Israel's new born was an attempt of Satan. Hiding Moses kept the line going. Saul tried to kill David. Haman undertook a mission of genocidal against the Jewish people.

Then the crucifixion of Jesus was a huge assault on the coming Messiah. There are many more instances for Satan's plans to stop the birth of Jesus.

 

[Edward]

I was just curious how many bought into this fallen angels having sex with humans doctrine ??
Only God creates life
Angels don't reproduce
How in the world can the term Sons of God possibly refer to Satan

I didn't want to buy into it, but I did. Even a very cursory word study on the term sons of God reveals that they were Angels.
Scripture doesn't really say that Angels can't reproduce. It says they not given in marriage in heaven.

Chopper posted you the scriptures from Job. Whip out a concordance and look up the term sons of God. How it reads to me is that sons of God refer to divine beings...a direct creation of God. Like the Angels, Like Adam. If it meant sons of men why doesn't it say so? God is not the author of confusion.

 

[JLB]

I didn't want to buy into it, but I did. Even a very cursory word study on the term sons of God reveals that they were Angels.
Scripture doesn't really say that Angels can't reproduce. It says they not given in marriage in heaven.

Chopper posted you the scriptures from Job. Whip out a concordance and look up the term sons of God. How it reads to me is that sons of God refer to divine beings...a direct creation of God. Like the Angels, Like Adam. If it meant sons of men why doesn't it say so? God is not the author of confusion.

I agree, Edward.

Yes, It's not a subject that is all warm and fuzzy.

It is very controversial, indeed.

But that doesn't mean I am going to just make up things and redefine words, and twist what the scripture says because I don't like the subject.

When we go down that road, it opens us up to the enemy, who can began to build strongholds in us that exalt's itself against the knowledge of God.


4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled. 2 Corinthians 10:4-6

• The only way to become a son of God is by being born again.

Those who are born through natural child birth are sons of Adam [man], or as Jesus said, a son of man, Him being The Son of Man.

• That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ John 3:6-7

Genesis 5 shows us this truth, and was put just before Chapter 6 as context, so that we would see that "sons of God" are now where to be found in the genealogy on Mankind.

This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. 7 After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. 8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.

9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. 10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. 11 So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.

12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. 13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. 14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.

15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. 16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters. 17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.

18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. 19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.

21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. 26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters. 27 So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed.” 30 After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters. 31 So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.
32 And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 5:1-6:2

Adam was created directly by God, and is called a son of God, everyone else is a son of Adam [man].


Kind begets after it's own kind.

Just because we are sons of God through faith, doesn't mean we can reproduce a son of God through natural child birth; They must be born again.

The only way to become a son of God is through faith in Jesus Christ; ie born again.

Spiritual Birth.




JLB

 

[Chopper]

Genesis_6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.(ESV)
Numbers_13:33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."(ESV)

Here's a little more information....This verse mentions the "Nephilim"

Nephilim, Hebrew translation is Nepilim, which means "Fallen Ones"
Greek translation is gigantes, which means "giants"

The sons of Anak came from the Nephilim.

Satan again tried to keep Israel from entering the Promised Land by using the giants again to scare off the elders of Israel. Only Joshua and Caleb saw thru this deception and trusted God.

 

[calvin]

Those days refer to the days of Noah.

Afterward refers to after those days.

6Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4


JLB

Hello calvin here...again
Thank you for your reply JLB,so, if 'those days' refer to the time of Noah, who debuts in Gen 5:28-29 approx 600 years before the flood;
Who were the mighty men of old, the men of renown?
Couldn't be angels because they are men.
Couldn't be hybrids because they are men.
What qualities would make these men 'men of renown'?
Doesn't renown speak of being of widely recognized good repute etc.?
Wouldn't men who are god fearing men be said to be of good repute?
Just some things to chew on.

 

[JLB]

Thank you for your reply JLB,so, if 'those days' refer to the time of Noah, who debuts in Gen 5:28-29 approx 600 years before the flood;

Lamech.

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed.” Genesis 5:28-29

Who were the mighty men of old, the men of renown?
Couldn't be angels because they are men.
Couldn't be hybrids because they are men.
What qualities would make these men 'men of renown'?
Doesn't renown speak of being of widely recognized good repute etc.?
Wouldn't men who are god fearing men be said to be of good repute?
Just some things to chew on.

The mighty men of old were the giants, the Nephilim, who were the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men.

• The mighty men of old were giants; "men of renown".
• The sons of God were angels.

JLB

 

[JLB]

Couldn't be hybrids because they are men.

Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre,as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.
Genesis 18:1-3


The angels that accompanied the Lord were called men, because both the Lord and the angels appeared as men, and functioned as men.

• So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him;

The Point: If angels who look like men and function like men, and did indeed marry some daughters of men, their children would look like and be referred to as men, with the exception being they were larger. Men of renown.


It is interesting to note that there are three different Hebrew words for "men" used in Genesis 6:4

There were giants H5303 in the earth H776 in those days; H3117 and also after H310 that, H3651 when H834 the sons H1121 of God H430 came in H935 unto the daughters H1323 of men, H120 and they bare H3205 children to them, the same H1992 became mighty men H1368 which were of old, H5769 men H582 of renown. H8034



JLB


JLB

 

[th1b.taylor]

I didn't want to buy into it, but I did. Even a very cursory word study on the term sons of God reveals that they were Angels.
Scripture doesn't really say that Angels can't reproduce. It says they not given in marriage in heaven.

Chopper posted you the scriptures from Job. Whip out a concordance and look up the term sons of God. How it reads to me is that sons of God refer to divine beings...a direct creation of God. Like the Angels, Like Adam. If it meant sons of men why doesn't it say so? God is not the author of confusion.

Matthew 22:29-30 is the scripture proving Angels do nt copulate and neither will we in the Glorified Body. That is the one thing I find amusing about the ISIS issue because they believe that if they die in Jihad they will receive 72 virgins in heaven to keep pregnant.

 

[JLB]

Matthew 22:29-30 is the scripture proving Angels do nt copulate and neither will we in the Glorified Body. That is the one thing I find amusing about the ISIS issue because they believe that if they die in Jihad they will receive 72 virgins in heaven to keep pregnant.

These angels left their own abode and manifested as men in the natural realm, and were not in heaven.

• the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode,

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 6

and again

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

and again

19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1 Peter 3:19-20



JLB

 

[th1b.taylor]

Lamech.

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed.” Genesis 5:28-29



The mighty men of old were the giants, the Nephilim, who were the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men.

• The mighty men of old were giants; "men of renown".
• The sons of God were angels.

JLB

I am sorry JLB but that would violate scripture and make God to be involved in sin and we know He does not ever sin. You see, Angels have no extension into our Time/Space Continuum except that God give it to them and God being All Knowing, Omniscient, they cannot trick Him into giving them a body. Most of all, Angels are Spirit Beings that we Humans will command in Heaven.

And it is always a good thing to remember that from "In the beginning... through the very last verse of Revelation there is a single theme, a single context, Salvation. The entire Bible is authored/inspired by Jesus/The Son of God. This and then the scriptures must be studied with one rule of Hermeneutics never violated; No scripture, no collection nor and running passage of two or more scriptures can ever be understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it/them.

And Brother, that God would sin, let along knowingly sin against Himself is, just, a violation of scripture.


Genesis 1:24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.

 

[JLB]

I am sorry JLB but that would violate scripture and make God to be involved in sin and we know He does not ever sin.

Please explain how angels leaving their own abode to have relations with the daughters of men would make God involved in sin?

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 6


Jude says these angels left their proper domain; IOW there were disobedient.

Which Peter also states: He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient,

19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 1 Peter 3:19-20


These angels were disobedient.



JLB

 

[th1b.taylor]

These angels left their own abode and manifested as men in the natural realm, and were not in heaven.

• the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode,

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 6

and again

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

and again

19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1 Peter 3:19-20



JLB

I am sorry but without God being a party to their sin, these verses do not stretch to cover your assumptions. The scriptures say no such a thing without assumption and that is adding to the scripture tells us not to add to nor subtract from the scriptures and assumptions do just that.

Scripture is not hazy, especially with the indwelling of te Holy Spirit and I believe every word of it but who am I or any teacher to assume something about the Written Word of God? God did not consult any of us when He authored the books of the Bible nor when He created everything

 

[JLB]

I am sorry but without God being a party to their sin, these verses do not stretch to cover your assumptions. The scriptures say no such a thing without assumption and that is adding to the scripture tells us not to add to nor subtract from the scriptures and assumptions do just that.

Scripture is not hazy, especially with the indwelling of te Holy Spirit and I believe every word of it but who am I or any teacher to assume something about the Written Word of God? God did not consult any of us when He authored the books of the Bible nor when He created everything

The scripture tells us plainly and clearly that there were angels who sinned, spirits who were disobedient in the time of Noah.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

and again

19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 1 Peter 3:19-20

Claiming otherwise would be adding to scripture with one's assumption.


You will need to provide scripture that says it was men, or human beings who sinned and were cast down to hell for their disobedience in the time of Noah, otherwise you are using your opinion to overthrow scripture.





JLB

 

[th1b.taylor]

Please explain how angels leaving their own abode to have relations with the daughters of men would make God involved in sin?

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 6


Jude says these angels left their proper domain; IOW there were disobedient.

Which Peter also states: He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient,

19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1 Peter 3:19-20


These angels were disobedient.



JLB

JLB,
There is one Omnipotent God, only One Triune God Head in the persons so that when one does a thing the other two persons know what was done. God has no part with sin ( Hab,1:13, Jer 23:23-24,Isa, 59:2, & John4:24) and Angels need god's Omnipotent Power to take on a Human Body and God being Omniscient would already know their plans and being sinless He would not allow them to mess with His Crowning Creation.

 

[Chopper]

Bill my old friend. Are you ignoring my posts on purpose? I have given solid biblical evidence, as well as what we know today about demon possession. A fallen angel, can and does indwell and possess a human being, either male or female.

In this case, demons indwelt and possessed human men, used their sex organs to produce giant babies in any of the human women that they chose.