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Bible Study The sons of God and daughters of men?
- Thread starter new covenant preacher
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Agreed.
Need scripture that says angels need God's omnipotent power to take on a body.
It is because these angels sinned, that they were cast down to hell.
They sinned: For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell..
They were disobedient.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 6-7
These angels left their own abode and manifested as men in the natural realm, and were not in heaven.
- the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode,
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Jude 6
and again
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5
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19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1 Peter 3:19-20
JLB
th1b.taylor
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in Isaiah 14:12-14 we find you are not wrong about them being removed from Heaven as their Home but that does not deal with your assumptions, in the least. You have them manifesting themselves without God being involved and ignorant of their actions. Scripture does not say that! Ad that means you are adding to what God has written in spite of Duet 4:2 and in Rev 22,
th1b.taylor
Member
I'm sorry Chopper, no it was not intentional. The possession by evil is very true but the seed the man would implant would be his seed and every living thing reproduces a like model of themselves except I get back outside and play with the Roses and then theere is no telling what my efforts might produce. But though it be a different color scheme, even it is still a rose.
Yes.
No.
I will say that we disagree on this subject, but agree that Jesus Christ is Lord.
He is the Way, the truth and the the Life. Amen.
JLB
Chopper
Member
Now, I know that Dr. John MacArthur is not a favorite of some, but he is a favorite of mine, I have followed his teachings for 40+ years. this is what he has to say about this topic....Satan, in Genesis six, "sought to produce a mongrel, half-human half-demon and thus unredeemable race of men to cohabit with human women."
th1b.taylor
Member
I can no more do that than you can provide me with with scripture proving they can without God and I'm sure you felt at ease making such a demand and we are having this discussion because there are no scriptures, either way.
But you and must of the world have token the Low Road and used your and my natural inclinations and transfered them to the two thirds of all the angels that chose wisely and remained faithful to the God while, like Lucifer becoming that old Dragon, Satan, they became Demons and are, no longer angels and of all of them I can find nowhere any but Satan have access to the Throne of God
It is because these angels sinned, that they were cast down to hell.[/quote]
i do not see you point.
Chopper
Member
I'm sorry Chopper, no it was not intentional. The possession by evil is very true but the seed the man would implant would be his seed and every living thing reproduces a like model of themselves except I get back outside and play with the Roses and then theere is no telling what my efforts might produce. But though it be a different color scheme, even it is still a rose.
I understand what you're saying. I've done quite a lot of research on this subject. There are quite a lot of Theologians that hold a similar understanding as you. The problem is, many students of the Word of God just don't like to admit that Genesis chapter 6:1-4 can't be possible. They under estimate the power and wicked mind of Satan, and the lengths that he would invent this.... Ephesians 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
I had a head Deacon in one of the Baptist Churches that I was their Pastor. I happened to mention, at a Deacon's meeting that I was going to do a short series on Ephesians 6:12. Don, the deacon asked me not to do that because the more we focus on Satan, it wouldn't be healthy for the Church. Since I respected this true man of God, I did as he said.
I believe there are many Church Leaders and Theologians who shy away from the demonic for their own reasons. Unfortunately, there are many Christians who are oppressed by the demonic that need deliverance. A true knowledge of how Satan works thru lies and deception can and is very wise.
I love you Bill, it's just that I see this subject differently than you do. Who's right? Only God knows. I still love you.
If you break down Genesis 6:1-8 You can see that those sons of God were not angels as angels are spirit and can not procreate nor are given in marriage, Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25. 1Corinthians 15:39, 40 states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish and angels are angels. There is no scripture which would even remotely lead us to believe angels had sex with women.
It was men who began to multiply on earth, Godly and ungodly men (not angels) and daughters were born unto them. The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly line of Cain and choose wives from them. These daughters were more likely ungodly women being from the line of Cain and not of Seth. This is why God said my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.
Genesis 6:4 speaks of giants being in the land, but never mentions that they took them wives of the daughters of men, buy says that when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth) came unto the daughters of men (Cain’s ungodly line) they bare children to them. These same children (from the line of Cain) became mighty men (giants) which were of old (before the flood) and men of renown in the sense that they were the ungodly princes, the conquerors, the heroes of those days and also after the flood being born from the line of Ham through his son Canaan, Genesis 9:20-27.
They were called giants in the sense that they were very tall men in stature such as Og in Joshua 12:4 Goliath was a Philistine of great stature (giant) being a descendant of the Anakim, 2 Samuel 21:15-22 Numbers 13:3-33 the spies were sent out and came back with a report which included them seeing the sons of Anak who were Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai which come from giants as the spies looked like grasshoppers compared to the size of these men. Anakim are a race of giants descended from Anak. They dwelt in the south of the land of Canaan, near Hebron, Josh. 15:13. According to Genesis 14:5-6 the Rephaims who were giants in whom Og, the King of Bashan, was one of the last survivors of the Rephaim inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab in the days of Abraham.
Think about this, if angels were sons of God then this would make Jesus Christ an angel as he was called the son of God, but we see that Jesus was Gods only begotten son, John 3:16. We are all sons of God and daughters of God through that of the Spirit of adoption where by we cry Abba Father, Romans 8:15.
It was men who began to multiply on earth, Godly and ungodly men (not angels) and daughters were born unto them. The sons of God, Godly line of Seth, took them wives of the daughters of the ungodly line of Cain and choose wives from them. These daughters were more likely ungodly women being from the line of Cain and not of Seth. This is why God said my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh.
Genesis 6:4 speaks of giants being in the land, but never mentions that they took them wives of the daughters of men, buy says that when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth) came unto the daughters of men (Cain’s ungodly line) they bare children to them. These same children (from the line of Cain) became mighty men (giants) which were of old (before the flood) and men of renown in the sense that they were the ungodly princes, the conquerors, the heroes of those days and also after the flood being born from the line of Ham through his son Canaan, Genesis 9:20-27.
They were called giants in the sense that they were very tall men in stature such as Og in Joshua 12:4 Goliath was a Philistine of great stature (giant) being a descendant of the Anakim, 2 Samuel 21:15-22 Numbers 13:3-33 the spies were sent out and came back with a report which included them seeing the sons of Anak who were Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai which come from giants as the spies looked like grasshoppers compared to the size of these men. Anakim are a race of giants descended from Anak. They dwelt in the south of the land of Canaan, near Hebron, Josh. 15:13. According to Genesis 14:5-6 the Rephaims who were giants in whom Og, the King of Bashan, was one of the last survivors of the Rephaim inhabited the region afterwards known as Edom and Moab in the days of Abraham.
Think about this, if angels were sons of God then this would make Jesus Christ an angel as he was called the son of God, but we see that Jesus was Gods only begotten son, John 3:16. We are all sons of God and daughters of God through that of the Spirit of adoption where by we cry Abba Father, Romans 8:15.
The Lord Jesus was referred to as The Angel of the Lord in the old testament, before He became flesh.
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”4 So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”And he said, “Here I am.”5 Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6
- the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire
- “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
- Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
An Angel of the Lord would be a son of God.
The Angel of the Lord would be The Son of God.
In the old Testament the Angel of the Lord was referred to as God.
JLB
Please explain how this "ungodly men", not angels continued to produce giants after the flood, since all flesh was wiped out in the flood except Noah, his wife and his three sons and wives.
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
- and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men
JLB
The scriptures teach us otherwise.
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
- There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.
- and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.
These giants called Nephilim, were specifically produced when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, both before before the flood and also afterward.
Therefore since the sons of God survived the flood, and continued to produce giants after the flood, they could not have been angels.
The only sons of God that were mentioned in the old testament were Adam who was directly created by God, and angels who also were created by God.
The only way for some to become a son of God is through faith in Jesus Christ, by being "born again".
Natural birth = son of man
Spiritual birth = son of God
JLB
It does say he was a mighty one.
However I don't believe Cush was one of the sons of God, but rather a decendant of Noah.
Cush begot Nimrod; he began to be a mighty one on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.” Genesis 10:8
Began to be denotes a process of becoming a mighty hunter before the Lord.
My two cents.
JLB
- Even if you come to agree, that Jesus was referred to as the Angel of the Lord, that alone does not refute your position.
However since He created the angels, it would stand to reason that He created them in His image, as He did Adam.
as it is written
- He shall cover you with His feathers, and under His wings you shall take refuge; Psalm 91:4
No one in the old testament had seen God [the Father], however several had seen the Lord before He became flesh.
He appeared as the Angel of the Lord, but was said to be God.
Three different scriptures referring to three different manifestations of the Angel of the Lord being referred to as God.
And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush.
And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:2,6
and again
21 When the Angel of the Lord appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that He was the Angel of the Lord.
22 And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, because we have seen God!”
Judges 13:21-22
and again
11 And the Angel of the Lord said to her:
“Behold, you are with child, and you shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael, because the Lord has heard your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild man; his hand shall be against every man,
And every man’s hand against him. and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”
13 Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees; for she said, “Have I also here seen Him who sees me?” Genesis 16:11-13
Then The Lord Himself, the Spirit of Christ, through Zechariah also refers to the Angel of the Lord as God.
In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. Zechariah 12:8
In addition, It was the Angel of the Lord, as Lord and God, who made Covenant with the children of Israel and led them out of Egypt.
Then the Angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. 2 And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this?3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’” 4 So it was, when the Angel of the Lord spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept.
Judges 2:1-4
Jesus is the Lord God of Israel, who became flesh and died for our sins, and rose again on the Third Day.
Jesus Christ is our great God and Savior. Titus 2:13
JLB
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Sounds like something men,myself included ,would do .