Dorothy Mae
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The Bible says we can nevertheless resist His will.
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The Sufferings Of Christ
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Dorothy Mae
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“If you hear His voice today” is the New Testament, the New Covenant.” I think Paul chastised a group for resisting the Holy Spirit. Again, New Covenant.
1 Peter 1:10 kjv
10. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11. Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
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journeymanisnothing
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others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted,[fn] were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented, of whom the world was not worthy. Heb.11:36-38
If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and ofGod rests upon you.[fn] On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1Pet.4:14
Dorothy Mae
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If we look at what they suffered, and are honest, it’s really hard to
say we too are suffering on the same level as they did. It’s illegal to beat prisoners in jail with chains or saw them into two pieces.
journeymanisnothing
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I fully agree with you. 1Pet.1:11 says they testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ. They not only wrote their testimony, they lived it. And it's a good thing to make believers who haven't suffered that way aware of it, because situations can change at any time.
Johann!@#
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3:14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent"
This is a reference to Num. 21:4-9 (see my exegetical notes online) which narrates an experience of judgment during the Wilderness Wandering Period. The central truth is that humans must trust and obey God's word, even when they do not fully understand it. God provided a way for the Israelites to be saved from the snake bites if they would only believe. This belief was evidenced by their obedience to His word/promise (cf. Num. 21:8).
"lifted"
This Greek word (cf. John 8:28; 12:32,34) was often translated "highly exalted" (cf. Acts 2:33; 5:31; Phil. 2:9) and is another term John uses in two senses (double entendre, cf. John 1:5; 3:3,8). As God promised deliverance from death by snake bite to those who believed God's word and looked at the bronze serpent, so too, those who believe God's word (the gospel about Christ, the One lifted up on the cross) and trust in Jesus will be delivered (saved) from the snake (Devil, sin) bite of evil (cf. John 12:31-32).
3:15-18 "whoever" (John 3:15) "whoever" (John 3:16) "He who" (John 3:18) God's love is an invitation to all mankind (cf. Isa. 55:1-3; Ezek. 18:23,32; John 1:29; 3:16; 6:33,51; 2 Cor. 5:19; 1 Tim. 2:4; 4:10; Titus 2:11; 2 Pet. 3:9; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). The offer of salvation is universal, but its acceptance is not (cf. Rom. 5:12-21)!
SPECIAL TOPIC: YHWH'S ETERNAL REDEMPTIVE PLAN
3:15 "believes" This is a PRESENT ACTIVE PARTICIPLE. Belief is an ongoing trust. See note at John 1:12.
SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION
SPECIAL TOPIC: FAITH, BELIEVE, OR TRUST
SPECIAL TOPIC: WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO "RECEIVE," "BELIEVE," "CONFESS/PROFESS," and "CALL UPON?"
"in Him"
This refers not only to facts (theological truths) about Jesus, but to a personal relationship with Him. Salvation is
a message to be believed
a person to be received and obeyed
a life like that person to be lived!
The grammatical form here is unusual. It is the PRONOUN with the PREPOSITION en, which is only found here in John; usually it is the PREPOSITION eis. It is just possible that it should be related to "may have eternal life" (cf. The New Testament in Basic English by Harold Greenlee).
SPECIAL TOPIC: JOHN'S USE OF "BELIEVE"
3:15,16 "eternal life"
This Greek term (zoē ) referred to quality and quantity of New Age life (cf. John 5:24). In John zoē (used 33 times, mostly in chapters 5 and 6) usually refers to resurrection, eschatological life, or the life of the New Age, the life of God Himself. The VERB is used of physical life in other texts (i.e., John 4:50,51,53)
John is unique among the Gospels in his emphasis on "eternal life." It is a major theme and goal of his Gospel (cf. John 3:15; 4:36; 5:39; 6:54,68; 10:28; 12:25; 17:2,3). In Matt. 25:46 the same word "eternal" is used for eternal separation.
Utley.
Johann.
Loop of Henle - Wikipedia
With the brazen serpent , we see the first(?) shadow of something lifted up and faith brought healing.
1 Peter 2:24
Lamentations 3:13 kjv
13. He hath caused the arrows of his quiver to enter into my reins.
The symbolism is strong here. The scourging of Jesus is implied. Reins are kidneys.
Lifted up is dual. Physically lifted and in esteem. (Surely this was the Son of God)
ParDeS ? Parable if sower.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
Johann!@#
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PaRDeS-a Sod-פְּשָׁט- D'rash?Loop of Henle - Wikipedia
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With the brazen serpent , we see the first(?) shadow of something lifted up and faith brought healing.
1 Peter 2:24
Lamentations 3:13 kjv
13. He hath caused the arrows of his quiver to enter into my reins.
The symbolism is strong here. The scourging of Jesus is implied. Reins are kidneys.
Lifted up is dual. Physically lifted and in esteem. (Surely this was the Son of God)
ParDeS ? Parable if sower.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
Ah!
Hinei!
As a deer that pants after waters-so my nefesh is seeking living waters of refreshment!
People sometimes dismiss PaRDeS because of the group it comes from. Very similar to dismissing anything a Pentecostal says. Not necessarily true. I am probably close to being a Pentecostal myself. I just try and watch what I say. Am I always right? No. That grieves me, but I press forward confessing my sin.
Numbers 22:28 kjv
28. And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
We do not just brush off what we hear, because of the physical source. There are times we need to pay attention.
John 18:14 kjv
14. Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
I am not suggesting following heretics to find truth. But. Every once in awhile there may be a truth spoken from a source we do not normally listen to.
Mississippi redneck
eddif
Johann!@#
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In full agreement
J.
hebrew hinei to english
Mississippi redneck
eddif
Johann!@#
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Behold!
Most people know the word hinei from the song Hinei Mah Tov: hinei means 'behold,' “mah” means “what,” and “tov” means “good,” so “Hinei Mah Tov” means “behold what is good” when we sit together.
J.
Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
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Johann!@#
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Hinei, I have stood at the delet (door) DOFEK (“knocking,” SHIR HASHIRIM 5:2); if anyone hears my kol and opens the delet, indeed I will come in to him and we, the two of us, will dine together at the BEIT HAYAYIN [“Banquet Hall,” SHIR HASHIRIM 2:4].
הנני עמד בפתח ודפק והיה כי־ישמע איש לקולי ופתח הפתח אבוא אליו וסעדתי עמו
Johann!@#
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-Same here-am I always right? No.
Johann!@#
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So hineini means more than just “I am here.” It means “Behold! It is I!” “Ani po” is a simple description of where you are; hineini is a command followed by a proclamation. It is a heroic statement.
What Does “Hineini” Have to do with Passover?
Let us quickly recap the beginning of the Passover story. Moses was a Jewish baby who was saved by his mother from the Pharaoh’s edict that all first-born Jewish boys be killed. His mother puts him in a floating crib and sends him down the river, where he is found by the Pharaoh’s daughter, who adopts him and raises him in the palace as a member of the royal family. Later, as a young man, Moses sees a guard beating a Jewish slave. Moses kills the guard and runs away to the countryside, where he takes up life as a shepherd.
One day, while Moses is tending his flock, he sees a bush on fire that calls his name. When I taught this lesson in Sunday School, I would ask the children how they would react if, one day while playing outside at recess, a bush caught fire and started talking to them. Most say they would find a teacher or other responsible adult, which is of course the correct answer. Others say they would hide or run away.
When God called to Moses, he had no teacher to find. And although he could have done so, he does not run, and he does not hide. He looks at the burning bush calling his name and replies hineini – “Behold! It is I!”
This is not the only time the word hineini is used in the Bible. According to online sources, the word hineini appears 178 times in the Old Testament, usually in response to God calling to someone. In the story of Abraham’s binding of Isaac, for example, Abraham says the word three times – the first when God calls on Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, the second when Isaac calls to Abraham with questions, and the third before the angel stops Abraham from committing the sacrifice. In each instance, Abraham says “hineini” to the calling of his name. There is also an interesting counter-example: when Adam and Eve have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge, God searches for Adam in the garden. Does Adam say “hineini?” No – Adam hides, at least initially.
The difference between Moses and Abraham, on the one hand, and Adam on the other, shows us the reason why God needs to call to us at all. The God that many of us believe in is omniscient. And yet over and over again, when the biblical God needs to deliver a message, God calls to us first, as if searching for us, as if we are hard to find. This is a very curious habit for an all-knowing God who presumably knows exactly where we are. (Abraham Joshua Heschel wrote an entire book around this theme called “God In Search of Man.”).