The Sufferings Of Christ

[for_his_glory]

I agree with most of what you wrote. However, as I have previously pointed out, "study" in the KJV has a different meaning than it does today. It means "do your best" or "make every effort". It does not mean to read carefully.

"study" in modern English: devote time and attention to acquiring knowledge on (an academic subject), especially by means of books.

I do not see how study, even in the KJV, is different then what it actually means even today. It's like taking a test in school, if you do not read the whole book/chapter and understand it then you will fail the test. We study/read to know that which has been written word for word as we hear our teacher (Holy Spirit) teach us.

 

[jaybo]

I do not see how study, even in the KJV, is different then what it actually means even today. It's like taking a test in school, if you do not read the whole book/chapter and understand it then you will fail the test. We study/read to know that which has been written word for word as we hear our teacher (Holy Spirit) teach us.

And if you're practicing on the soccer field, is that also "studying"? The word means "do your best" or "make every effort". It does not mean to read carefully.

This is just one example of how the King James translation has a different meaning now than it did 400 years ago. It is all too easy to misinterpret early 17th Century Englyshe.

"God is not the author of confusion." KJV. In modern English, that means "God is not a God of disorder".

I'm not going to continue to discuss this.

 

[for_his_glory]

If it’s ALL through HIS grace (not nothing on our part) how is it not then his responsibility?

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

God's grace is freely given to all who will find it. Noah found grace by having faith, but those who did not find God's grace were caught up in the flood. Was it God's responsibility that those who rejected Him perished in the flood?

This is a personal insult. I am defective if I don’t acknowledge your point.

That was not intended to be a personal insult and sorry you saw it that way.

I know you think you are honoring Him saying it’s “all by his mercy and grace” but the flip side is those who don’t become saved weren’t given his mercy or grace.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This verse pretty much speaks on God's mercy and grace that is extended to all as He is longsuffering towards everyone, but not everyone will seek after it.

You see, it’s not all by HIS mercy and grace. He has the major role, but our small role is vital although insufficient. When those who are condemned stand before Him, they won’t be able to complain that He didn’t supply his mercy and grace to them. He will show them it wasn’t all his mercy and grace.

Those who stand before the Lord on judgement day that have rejected Him have no excuse as faith comes by hearing the word preached to them, but they chose to turn a deaf ear to the preaching of the word of God that has gone out into the world. They would rather put the sufferings of Christ to shame.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree.

Uh, no man should blithely claim he is tested as Abraham was unless there a similar testing AND a similar promise. If God isn’t speaking after the test, it isn’t like Abraham’s at all and we falsely take upon ourselves an honor we do not deserve.

Jesus tested men with questions, open and clear. It’s a valid method we shouldn’t shun for more ethereal matters.

What do you think I left out? The scientific method is the mind, a valid part of the command. By pointing how isn’t leaving out anything. Loving God with the mind is outstanding.

So? I didn’t say any different.

Eventually. I never said any different. That they are destroyed 80 years later is not immaterial

Eventually and sometimes after a full life of material pleasures. This cannot be denied by honest thinkers. And yes, it matters to them.

That they will eternally regret their life’s choice is true but not a part of the discussion. The point I was countering is the idea that destruction is instant. It isn’t.

I can not make you see the full so I will move pass this and not argue with you.

 

[for_his_glory]

I’m grateful for your life in Christ.

Not all scriptures will be said of all believers. I know it goes against the modern democratic world view, but God will say to some, „well done good and faithful servant” but only to the good and faithful servants. Jesus said they’ll be different rewards depending upon what we did. Even Jesus had three favorites who he took on special occasions. He wasn’t a democrat.

Modern democratic world views have anything to do with what has already been written in scripture about how everyone will be rewarded. God rewards with blessings or cursing's, Deuteronomy Chapter 27-28; John 5:28-29.

 

[for_his_glory]

And if you're practicing on the soccer field, is that also "studying"? The word means "do your best" or "make every effort". It does not mean to read carefully.

This is just one example of how the King James translation has a different meaning now than it did 400 years ago. It is all too easy to misinterpret early 17th Century Englyshe.

"God is not the author of confusion." KJV. In modern English, that means "God is not a God of disorder".

I'm not going to continue to discuss this.

Just something to ponder and I too will move past this. You need not reply.

Does a Doctor study to just do his best, or does he study to know what he is doing or in teaching others?

 

[jaybo]

Just something to ponder and I too will move past this. You need not reply.

Does a Doctor study to just do his best, or does he study to know what he is doing or in teaching others?

Are you okay??? What does "Does a Doctor study to just do his best, or does he study to know what he is doing or in teaching others?" mean?

We were talking about the change in meaning from early 17th Century English to now of the word "study". Your reply has nothing to do with this.

Just more rationalizing to defend the archaic Englyshe of the KJV. It's a major flaw of those who incorrectly translate the archaic meaning in their 21st Century minds. It's the primary reason I use reliable, modern translations.

Back to the thread's subject?

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I’m grateful for your life in Christ.

I'm grateful for your life in him too and all the folks who praise him.

Not all scriptures will be said of all believers. I know it goes against the modern democratic world view, but God will say to some, „well done good and faithful servant” but only to the good and faithful servants. Jesus said they’ll be different rewards depending upon what we did. Even Jesus had three favorites who he took on special occasions. He wasn’t a democrat.

I hear ya. Just pointing out how all believers are being made in his image.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

As a kid, I knew more than a few schoolmasters who honoured that particular proverb

I knew the same schoolmasters!

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Here is that proverb in English...

Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

Anyone who acts on this OT saying should be arrested for assault!

Hi jaybo.
I felt corrected. So did everyone I knew and nobody felt abused.

Mark 10:13-14, "People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these."

Jesus was a little child once, who grew to teach his disciples,

My child, do not despise discipline from the LORD, and do not loathe his rebuke.
For the LORD disciplines those he loves, just as a father disciplines the son in whom he delights. each his disciples, Pro.3:11-12
Heb.12:6

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I hear ya. Just pointing out how all believers are being made in his image.

Some cooperate more than others. This makes all the difference.

“See that you do not refuse the Holy Spirit when he speaks today.”

(I’ve been encouraged to add more scripture so I quote it.)

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Some cooperate more than others. This makes all the difference.

“See that you do not refuse the Holy Spirit when he speaks today.”

(I’ve been encouraged to add more scripture so I quote it.)

A great verse to quote, but in some fashion, we all bear the image of the heavenly.
I'm not opposed to heirarchy. I firmly believe the scriptures teach it. Won't it be wonderful when we see gain and loss handed out!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

A great verse to quote, but in some fashion, we all bear the image of the heavenly.
I'm not opposed to heirarchy. I firmly believe the scriptures teach it. Won't it be wonderful when we see gain and loss handed out!

I think it’s more useful to encourage the pursuit of being among those whose lives bear closer resemblance.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Modern democratic world views have anything to do with what has already been written in scripture about how everyone will be rewarded. God rewards with blessings or cursing's, Deuteronomy Chapter 27-28; John 5:28-29.

You are failing to recognize that many view the kingdom of God as a democracy where all are equal and treated equally because that’s the culture they live in. God has favorites and so did Jesus. It would be wise to recognize this (you want scriptures?) and want to be among them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Youcan believe what you want, but not all Muslims are Jihad.

I never said they were and it’s dishonest of you to accuse me of that which I never said.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I think it’s more useful to encourage the pursuit of being among those whose lives bear closer resemblance.

Oh so do I!!! Thats the gospel!!! Our Creator became one of us, even he is One with his Fathe!!!! Interpret all scripture that way and it becomes plain.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I can not make you see the full so I will move pass this and not argue with you.

Ditto. I see clearly that nothing I’ve faced comes close to what Abraham faced and those who claim their testings are just as tough as his will be embarrassed to meet the man and be reminded of how their pride claimed they were on that level too. You are picking out the bits that flatter (our testings are just like Abraham’s) and leave out the real measure of a walk with God. When a man has open conversations with God as Abraham did, then he can talk about being on that level.

I do realize that you are a powerful Admin and can blast me out of here. I’m trust that you can take some heat and think about this first. Do you really think believers you know are walking with God like Abraham?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

God's grace is freely given to all who will find it. Noah found grace by having faith, but those who did not find God's grace were caught up in the flood. Was it God's responsibility that those who rejected Him perished in the flood?

Ah, so it was the faith of Noah, that is he CHOSE to believe, right? Do it’s not all His grace. We have a part to play. We agree.

That was not intended to be a personal insult and sorry you saw it that way.

It was that way, I didn’t see something not there. But we can move on. Just watch the personal attacks, intended or otherwise.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This verse pretty much speaks on God's mercy and grace that is extended to all as He is longsuffering towards everyone, but not everyone will seek after it.

Those who stand before the Lord on judgement day that have rejected Him have no excuse as faith comes by hearing the word preached to them, but they chose to turn a deaf ear to the preaching of the word of God that has gone out into the world. They would rather put the sufferings of Christ to shame.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

I agree completely.

 

[Niblo]

I knew the same schoolmasters!

They did get about a bit 2

 

[Niblo]

Beat the child and get arrested for assault!

In the UK, it is illegal for a parent, or carer, to smack their own child, unless this amounts to "reasonable punishment" (I guess the courts would have to decide what exactly this is).

It is illegal for teachers, nursery workers and workers in other education settings to hit children in their care under any circumstance.

Seems reasonable to me.