The Sufferings Of Christ

[jaybo]

Hi jaybo.
I felt corrected. So did everyone I knew and nobody felt abused.

Jesus was a little child once, who grew to teach his disciples,

My child, do not despise discipline from the LORD, and do not loathe his rebuke.
For the LORD disciplines those he loves, just as a father disciplines the son in whom he delights. each his disciples, Pro.3:11-12
Heb.12:6

Corporate punishment is abuse. Beating children is contrary to God's will. Period.

There are far better ways to discipline children than beating them. It's obvious that, in this case, the sins of the fathers are passed down to their children. And you wonder why there is so much violence in the world!

Again, Jesus welcomed little children; he did not beat them!!!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Corporate punishment is abuse. Beating children is contrary to God's will. Period.

There are far better ways to discipline children than beating them. It's obvious that, in this case, the sins of the fathers are passed down to their children. And you wonder why there is so much violence in the world!

Again, Jesus welcomed little children; he did not beat them!!!

I suppose their mothers told them to behave because this is the son of God.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Corporate punishment is abuse. Beating children is contrary to God's will. Period.

There are far better ways to discipline children than beating them. It's obvious that, in this case, the sins of the fathers are passed down to their children. And you wonder why there is so much violence in the world!

Again, Jesus welcomed little children; he did not beat them!!!

I assumed you were young, so I visited your profile page, which corrected my assumption.
There is far more violence im society today than when I was a child. There are ways of correcting children other than spanking, but spanking wasn't abuse when I was young. What's below never happened in my neighborhood when I was a kid, or anyone else's neighborhood.
I've dealt with todays schools for decades. Please acknowledge school was much less violent when you were a child, than it is now.

1 dies in New Mexico school shooting; student detained

New Mexico authorities say one student was killed and another was taken into custody following a shooting at a middle school near downtown Albuquerque during the lunch hour Friday

abcnews.go.com

 

[jaybo]

I assumed you were young, so I visited your profile page, which corrected my assumption.
There is far more violence im society today than when I was a child. There are ways of correcting children other than spanking, but spanking wasn't abuse when I was young. What's below never happened in my neighborhood when I was a kid, or anyone else's neighborhood.
I've dealt with todays schools for decades. Please acknowledge school was much less violent when you were a child, than it is now.

1 dies in New Mexico school shooting; student detained

New Mexico authorities say one student was killed and another was taken into custody following a shooting at a middle school near downtown Albuquerque during the lunch hour Friday

abcnews.go.com

I once made a very serious error when talking to a friend (who had dark skin). I said that I grew up in the best times that this country ever saw. His reply was something on the order of "because you are white".

If you were a person of color growing up in the era that I grew up in -- the forties, fifties, and early sixties -- people were cruel, judgmental and sometimes murderous. So your statement that "There is far more violence in society today than when I was a child" is naive.

Violence has always been present in this society. What happened when children of color tried to attend whites-only schools or whites-only swimming pools or their parents tried to buy homes in white neighborhoods? Everything from shootings to beatings to lynchings were not uncommon.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

They did get about a bit 2

Yes and it's a shame they've disappeared.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I once made a very serious error when talking to a friend (who had dark skin). I said that I grew up in the best times that this country ever saw. His reply was something on the order of "because you are white".

If you were a person of color growing up in the era that I grew up in -- the forties, fifties, and early sixties -- people were cruel, judgmental and sometimes murderous. So your statement that "There is far more violence in society today than when I was a child" is naive.

Violence has always been present in this society. What happened when children of color tried to attend whites-only schools or whites-only swimming pools or their parents tried to buy homes in white neighborhoods? Everything from shootings to beatings to lynchings were not uncommon.

Im not talking about spanking someone for the color of their skin. What I'm saying is, when I was a kid, bad behavior wasnt tolerated.

 

[jaybo]

Im not talking about spanking someone for the color of their skin. What I'm saying is, when I was a kid, bad behavior wasnt tolerated.

Right. You're claiming that society is more violent now than it was earlier and I showed you your error. Lynching is not spanking!!!!

Bad behavior by children has never been tolerated by sane, caring people, They disciplined their children but not with violence.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Right. You're claiming that society is more violent now than it was earlier and I showed you your error. Lynching is not spanking!!!!

Yes and our conversation began with a Bible verse about dicipline, not Lynching.

Bad behavior by children has never been tolerated by sane, caring people, They disciplined their children but not with violence.

They did when I was young, but this is redundant.

 

[jaybo]

Yes and our conversation began with a Bible verse about dicipline, not Lynching.

They did when I was young, but this is redundant.

The Bible verse you cited was Proverbs 13:24...

Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

This is an excellent definition of assault. It is child abuse, plain and simple.

a) You can be arrested for doing this.
b) It is contrary to the teaching of Christ.

Matthew 19:14, "But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Mark 10:14, "But when Jesus saw this, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these."

Do you really not see the clear difference in the two attitudes???

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The Bible verse you cited was Proverbs 13:24...

Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

This is an excellent definition of assault. It is child abuse, plain and simple.

a) You can be arrested for doing this.
b) It is contrary to the teaching of Christ.

Matthew 19:14, "But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Mark 10:14, "But when Jesus saw this, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these."

Do you really not see the clear difference in the two attitudes???

I disagree with you for the reasons I gave. Please start a thread on child abuse, as this thread is about the sufferings of the Son.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ah, so it was the faith of Noah, that is he CHOSE to believe, right? Do it’s not all His grace. We have a part to play. We agree.

If it wasn't for God's grace finding favor in Noah who had faith in God none of us would be here.

Titus 2:11 for the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

Does not say only those who are saved, but appeared to all men.
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Lamentations 3:22 It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
Lamentations 3:23 they are new every morning: great is they faithfulness.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


God's mercy loves and His grace pardons. God looks past our sinful nature and goes straight to the heart of a persons character to know there is hope for everyone of us if we would only come boldly to his throne of grace and surrender this fleshly nature and allow God to cloth us in his righteousness as our own righteousness is as a filthy rag to God, Isaiah 64:6; Titus 3:5, 6.

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you really think believers you know are walking with God like Abraham?

Yes I do as it's walking by faith in things we hope for, but can not see. If we are not walking in faith, especially when our world seems to be crashing down on us at times, like mine is right now for the past three months, then we are walking in doubt not putting our trust in the Lord.

 

[for_his_glory]

Are you okay??? What does "Does a Doctor study to just do his best, or does he study to know what he is doing or in teaching others?" mean?

We were talking about the change in meaning from early 17th Century English to now of the word "study". Your reply has nothing to do with this.

Just more rationalizing to defend the archaic Englyshe of the KJV. It's a major flaw of those who incorrectly translate the archaic meaning in their 21st Century minds. It's the primary reason I use reliable, modern translations.

Back to the thread's subject?

Moving on

 

[eddif]

Yes I do as it's walking by faith in things we hope for, but can not see. If we are not walking in faith, especially when our world seems to be crashing down on us at times, like mine is right now for the past three months, then we are walking in doubt not putting our trust in the Lord.

Philippians 2:27 kjv
27. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If it wasn't for God's grace finding favor in Noah who had faith in God none of us would be here.

I agree. It wasn’t all God and it certainly wasn’t all Noah.

Titus 2:11 for the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

Does not say only those who are saved, but appeared to all men.
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I agree again.

Lamentations 3:22 It is of the Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
Lamentations 3:23 they are new every morning: great is they faithfulness.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Of course we stand together upon these matters.

God's mercy loves and His grace pardons. God looks past our sinful nature and goes straight to the heart of a persons character to know there is hope for everyone of us if we would only come boldly to his throne of grace and surrender this fleshly nature and allow God to cloth us in his righteousness as our own righteousness is as a filthy rag to God, Isaiah 64:6; Titus 3:5, 6.

That’s not exactly what it says. The Bible says our hearts are so desperately wicked “who can know it.” “Sin nature” isn’t mentioned in the Bible. “Sinful nature” is which is an adjective describing, not two nouns implying a state of being. So no God doesn’t look past the sin and see a heart worth saving. He doesn’t love us because there’s something in us worth loving.

Why then does God love us? Why does a parent love their child before being born even?

Salvation according to Jesus is not surrendering our fleshly nature (keeping the other bits) but confessing the sin we DO, repenting and asking forgiveness. We have to surrender ALL of us, not just the bit we don’t like anyway (the messed up part.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes I do as it's walking by faith in things we hope for, but can not see. If we are not walking in faith, especially when our world seems to be crashing down on us at times, like mine is right now for the past three months, then we are walking in doubt not putting our trust in the Lord.

I’m sorry to hear about your difficulties.

 

[eddif]

I agree. It wasn’t all God and it certainly wasn’t all Noah.

I agree again.

Of course we stand together upon these matters.

That’s not exactly what it says. The Bible says our hearts are so desperately wicked “who can know it.” “Sin nature” isn’t mentioned in the Bible. “Sinful nature” is which is an adjective describing, not two nouns implying a state of being. So no God doesn’t look past the sin and see a heart worth saving. He doesn’t love us because there’s something in us worth loving.

Why then does God love us? Why does a parent love their child before being born even?

Salvation according to Jesus is not surrendering our fleshly nature (keeping the other bits) but confessing the sin we DO, repenting and asking forgiveness. We have to surrender ALL of us, not just the bit we don’t like anyway (the messed up part.)

Philippians 2:13 kjv
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

That is what happens in us by his quickening spirit.

In times gone by it might take a flood, army, burning bush to get man’s attention.

I give God the glory for his work. He knows how to deal with a bad heart. Rod and staff. Change can come.

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Philippians 2:13 kjv
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

That is what happens in us by his quickening spirit.

In times gone by it might take a flood, army, burning bush to get man’s attention.

I give God the glory for his work. He knows how to deal with a bad heart. Rod and staff. Change can come.

eddif

“Today if you hear his voice, do not resist.” It isn’t God making us resist God or not.

 

[eddif]

“Today if you hear his voice, do not resist.” It isn’t God making us resist God or not.

He works in us to:
Will
&
Do
Of
His good pleasure

eddif

 

[eddif]

He works in us to:
Will
&
Do
Of
His good pleasure

eddif

Joshua 24:15 kjv
15. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Our choice under thee old covenant of the law.

Christ in us is a better covenant.
eddif