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The Tree Of Life...

Edward

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I have a question. If it's going to happen that, in the twinkling of an eye we will be transformed into our new spiritual bodies and become immortal eternal beings... (1 Corinthians 15:52-53) ....

Then please tell me why a Tree of Life is needed in Heaven?

The Tree of Life and the River of Life which is described in Revelation 22 is in the New Jerusalem, that's what it's talking about. But if we have immortal bodies then why would we need to eat and drink ti have sternal life?

I guess the question has now become, do not all people who get saved receive glorified bodies? Maybe they will be the ones to need the tree of life?

Revelation 22 And he showed me a [a]pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
Could this be talking about the Bride of Christ? I have heard plenty of people say everyone who is saved is the Bride. I don't buy that because the Bride is unblemished, while others are covered by the blood of Christ and receive salvation but are not necessarily unblemished, right?

Like the thief on the cross whom Jesus said He will save him. That saved man did not have time to have a ministry. You can't compare this man to John or Peter. All have sinned but some wash their garments by righteous deeds and ministries. The thief had no more time to live right so he went as clean washed by the blood of Jesus, but not unblemished, so...isn't the bride? Doesn't get a glorified body like the Bride of Christ will? So those who do not receive glorified bodies will live but must partake of the Tree of Life and River of Life???

(I'm reaching, not preaching!) Lol. :lol
 
I have a question. If it's going to happen that, in the twinkling of an eye we will be transformed into our new spiritual bodies and become immortal eternal beings... (1 Corinthians 15:52-53) ....

Edward, I realize that is the way those scriptures are traditionally interpreted and taught, that we receive our OWN glorified spiritual bodies; but I no longer follow that interpretation of those passages in 1 Cor 15. When I read through that chapter without all other presuppositions, I see a picture of a bride being clothed with Christ.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

When this corruption of our flesh shall have put on incorruption, or in other word is clothed with the Spirit of Christ. then death is swallowed up in victory, and we have overcome.

Consider also the new garment; the same garment as putting the immortality of the Spirit of Christ onto this mortal body.

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

He that overcometh, the same is clothed in white raiment, clothed in incorruption, clothed in the Spirit of Christ. They have been clothed in a new garment, replacing the gospel armor that the corruptible wear for their warfare against death.


Then please tell me why a Tree of Life is needed in Heaven?

The Tree of Life and the River of Life which is described in Revelation 22 is in the New Jerusalem, that's what it's talking about. But if we have immortal bodies then why would we need to eat and drink ti have sternal life?

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:9-10
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,


New Jerusalem, that great city is the bride, the Lamb's wife. He who has overcome is said to be made a pillar in the temple of that city.

Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

For those who have put on Christ, those you ask about in 1 Cor 15:52-53, they feed now from the fruit given from the tree of life in its season, and it feeds their spirit. They neither hunger nor thirst for the word of knowledge. But remember also described in 1 Cor 15, it is not just about those who are raised up with a celestial body, but others also who of a terrestrial body. They are those raised in Christ, but they haven't truly been born again, they haven't put on the spirit. They believe in Jesus, but they remain of the flesh feasting upon the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; they are never satisfied, they remain hungered, always feeding the flesh with knowledge to their own glory, cut off from the tree of life as was Adam and Eve.

As Paul describes these seeds being raised up with different body, both Jesus and the prophet Daniel describe these these two bodies, the celestial and the terrestrial.

1 Corinthians 15:40
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1 Corinthians 15:42
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

John 5:28
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

All that are in the graves, these mortal bodies that are seeking to put on immortality.

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


Not trying preach anything, just letting you know that I see the passage in 1 Corinthians 15 differently than what is often taught. I see that passage as a description of the marriage with the Spirit of Christ. He is the incorruptible that this corruptible mortal body must put on to overcome; a treasure we hold in this earthen vessel. I have posted other scriptures that come to mind when I consider these passages. As some would like to say these scripture are unrelated or that I'm taking things out of context, then maybe I should make a disclaimer that all scripture posted is given with the understanding that anyone reading these scripture references has the capacity to go and read them in full context for themselves. They are enough to convey the thought.
 
I have a question. If it's going to happen that, in the twinkling of an eye we will be transformed into our new spiritual bodies and become immortal eternal beings... (1 Corinthians 15:52-53) ....

Then please tell me why a Tree of Life is needed in Heaven?

The Tree of Life and the River of Life which is described in Revelation 22 is in the New Jerusalem, that's what it's talking about. But if we have immortal bodies then why would we need to eat and drink ti have sternal life?

I guess the question has now become, do not all people who get saved receive glorified bodies? Maybe they will be the ones to need the tree of life?

Revelation 22 And he showed me a [a]pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
First off you are asking us for answers. The best person to ask is God.

I believe I have answers I have gotten, but you reject them. So I guess I am rejected as a source of information. That is ok I suppose.

I really think you want to know some of the things you ask. We are all supposed to have the same mind. Out of Jew and Gentile is made one new man. In Christ the differences are supposed to go away.

Good old Abraham knew he was looking for a city whose builder and maker was God. He went around in tents, and did not own one square foot of the promised land. I really think that attitude should be part of our thoughts.

I think I see the tree of life, but so far it has been rejected. How can we share ideas?

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
First off you are asking us for answers. The best person to ask is God.

I believe I have answers I have gotten, but you reject them. So I guess I am rejected as a source of information. That is ok I suppose.

I really think you want to know some of the things you ask. We are all supposed to have the same mind. Out of Jew and Gentile is made one new man. In Christ the differences are supposed to go away.

Good old Abraham knew he was looking for a city whose builder and maker was God. He went around in tents, and did not own one square foot of the promised land. I really think that attitude should be part of our thoughts.

I think I see the tree of life, but so far it has been rejected. How can we share ideas?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

But I didn't reject your answer.I read it. I'm chewing on it. You said alot. I'll be back.
 
But I didn't reject your answer.I read it. I'm chewing on it. You said alot. I'll be back.
Some of my comments are in:

Why did Adam fail in the garden of Eden?​

Do I think eddif is perfect? No. I spend a lot of time looking at my two natures. If you wish we can continue in the listed thread.

I really will try to look at our differences in thought. I am not link capable at this point. Search capable? Maybe.

eddif
 
I ran across this one accidently just now so thought of this thread. It might explain why I go edge of the envelope with questions sometimes!

You did say a lot, so I am still chewing on it, lol.

Colossians 3:1-3
3 Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits in the place of honor at God’s right hand. 2 Think about the things of heaven, not the things of earth. 3 For you died to this life, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God.../ (NLT)

I like how how the NLT puts it.
 
We know there will be rank in Heaven so...maybe not everybody gets a glorified body?

I heard a sermon once, forget who but he said that not everybody will live on the inside of the walls of the new Jerusalem. I didin't take notes. :shame
 
We know there will be rank in Heaven so...maybe not everybody gets a glorified body?

I heard a sermon once, forget who but he said that not everybody will live on the inside of the walls of the new Jerusalem. I didin't take notes. :shame
This will sure be a memorable conversation.

I have a human birth that gives me problems.
I have citizenship in heaven due to the intercession of Jesus.

I believe the strongest is Christ in us the hope of glory. I still have a man side. At the last trump I will be totally and eternally changed. I know this through scripture. If the resurrection was past I could be perfect now. It upsets people to teach the resurrection is already past. To me it is not complicated to see two states.

Who was perfect? Ezekiel 28 may have an answer.

eddif
 
I have a question. If it's going to happen that, in the twinkling of an eye we will be transformed into our new spiritual bodies and become immortal eternal beings... (1 Corinthians 15:52-53) ....

Then please tell me why a Tree of Life is needed in Heaven?

The Tree of Life and the River of Life which is described in Revelation 22 is in the New Jerusalem, that's what it's talking about. But if we have immortal bodies then why would we need to eat and drink ti have sternal life?

I guess the question has now become, do not all people who get saved receive glorified bodies? Maybe they will be the ones to need the tree of life?

Revelation 22 And he showed me a [a]pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
 
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
 
Ok some good scripture y’all quoted.

Matthew 6:10 kjv
10. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

If the kingdom of God is going to be on earth, I can assure everyone it has to come from heaven. The Revelation passage said:
I saw the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven.

The power for the kingdom of God (the New Jerusalem) is in us now.
How did it get in us?
Jesus (the second Adam) became a quickening spirit). That spirit of Jesus came down out of heaven to dwell in us.

Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

If we open our heart and mind he will change our stony heart to a heart of flesh (Jesus’s work of putting the law in us) and enlighten the eyes of our understanding (our mind will understand all this by the law being in our mind),
Hebrews 10:16 kjv
16. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

After what days?
The days when Jesus told his disciples of their doubts.

At Pentecost they received the Holy Spirit. Those disciples of doubt became the Apostles who wrote the New Testament. They understood the Church, the covenants, the spiritual gifts. Church discipline, saw and wrote Revelation with all the symbolism.

The New Jerusalem began coming down out of Heaven. It will be totally finished at the last trump ( Jesus will return, the judgement throne will occur etc.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
And no:
In post 12-
I did not cover all the prophecy, suffering, tribulation, beasts, details of the throne judgement etc.

I was trying to show how the New Jerusalem began to come down from heaven.
The arrival of the New Jerusalem (kingdom ?) is not terribly complex, but there are several aspects to the process. The gentile inclusion happened. The one new man started.

Oh but eddif you left off……,,
I am sure I did. There are a whole bunch of things I wanted to include, but maybe later.

eddif
 
Revelation Chapter 21-22 is very symbolic in the character and quality of the holy city "New Jerusalem" as no one could even fathom what it will look like. The description is that of the nature of this glorious kingdom of God where His true church, being the Bride of Christ, will dwell with Her Bridegroom for eternity basking in the glory of the Lord.

What is described in the literal description is that of the spiritual as with God all things are spiritual in nature. The literal description shows us the splendor of the magnificent of what has been prepared for those who are Christ own.

What God was promising in that of the literal land of Canaan given to the Israelites was symbolic of the promise of a new heaven and new earth as this present will pass away and be made Spiritually new again in the characteristics of God's nature, not for Israel, but for the church being the Bride of Christ as we are then united to Him for all eternity. All things of God and the prophecies will be fulfilled in the new kingdom, "New Jerusalem". The height and the length is given in the literal, but yet symbolically could never be measured. It's all beyond our comprehension.

God's promise was not the literal land of Canaan, but that of a new Spiritual heaven and earth as all things will be made new again. This is what we hope for, Romans 8:19-23. In my minds eye I see it all as being like the garden of Eden where we will dwell in peace and harmony with each other as God and His Son Christ Jesus are the temple of the New Jerusalem and the light as there will be no more darkness, tears, sorrow or pain.

The "holy city", New Jerusalem, does not make up nations or continents on the new earth, but is the community of God's people who are caught up to Christ when He returns. It's not a new earth with a city in the midst of it, but that of the new earth being the holy city called New Jerusalem.

The height, the breathed and the length of the holy city written in the scripture being a literal 1,377 miles is symbolic in its measuring as all from the beginning of time until Christ returns that are God's children could never fit within this literal perimeter. The literal description of this city can not describe the physical features, but only the quality and character of it.

The true church being the Bride of Christ is New Israel/New Jerusalem neither Jew nor Greek making up the holy city of God that is ushered down from heaven after this present world and heaven will be made new again. Our Spiritual rebirth is from up above and as we are caught up to Christ as we are gathered in the clouds to meet Him in the air when He returns, 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; Thessalonians 4:17, we will ever be with Him until will are ushered down to live in the new earth/New Jerusalem. Notice in Rev 21:2 John describes the holy city new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

There is no plan of God for the nation of Israel that is separate from the Church as we read in scripture there is no Jew nor Greek there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise, Galatians 3:24-29, Revelation 21:3, 4.
 
The "holy city", New Jerusalem, does not make up nations or continents on the new earth, but is the community of God's people who are caught up to Christ when He returns. It's not a new earth with a city in the midst of it, but that of the new earth being the holy city called New Jerusalem.

But Revelation says I saw new Heaven and a new Earth, then describes the New Jerusalem coming down from the sky and settling down on the new earth.

So I do think it will be a new physical earth, and all the descriptions, golden streets, Crystals and exotic stones, mansions and so forth all serve to show that it will be a physical earth that we dwell with God on. It may be in the spiritual realm but it will all have substance.

And we should be just like Jesus was after His resurrection. He could walk around in the physical world, He ate with people...and He could also walk through walls and disappear and stuff like that, like He got into the locked room with the Apostles...

I'm looking forward to it!
 
But Revelation says I saw new Heaven and a new Earth, then describes the New Jerusalem coming down from the sky and settling down on the new earth.

So I do think it will be a new physical earth, and all the descriptions, golden streets, Crystals and exotic stones, mansions and so forth all serve to show that it will be a physical earth that we dwell with God on. It may be in the spiritual realm but it will all have substance.

And we should be just like Jesus was after His resurrection. He could walk around in the physical world, He ate with people...and He could also walk through walls and disappear and stuff like that, like He got into the locked room with the Apostles...

I'm looking forward to it!
I am also looking forward to that day. There is so much literal in the description, but also Spiritual at the same time. Like I said, I don't think any of us can truly understand the glory of it all.
 
Then please tell me why a Tree of Life is needed in Heaven?
For the same reason it was also in the Garden of Eden, to sustain eternal life.

Things were different before the Fall of Creation so what we consider to be literal now is not the same as it was preFall.

The purpose of the Tree of Life is to keep people alive as long as they keep partaking of it. One consequence of disobeying God was *denial of access to the Tree of Life, the result being spiritual death and eventually physical death.

Adam and Eve were ignorant of the difference between good and evil before they disobeyed God's instruction.

We are not told the extent of the knowledge of good and evil that they gained from eating of the forbidden fruit, but we can be sure it was experiential. An immediate change took place. They knew they were guilty of disobeying God and were ashamed now that they had lost their covering of innocence and the countdown was on for their bodies to age and die.

It was not only Adam and Eve's experience that changed, the whole of Creation changed. It went from being free of decay or corruption to being contaminated by sin.

The Bible reveals that Adam's disobedience brought judgment on everyone, but Christ's obedience brought justification, and renewed access to the Tree of Life for the Redeemed.

*Denial of Access to the Tree of Life:
Gen 3:22-24
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"— (23) therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. (24) So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
 
No
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
Welcome aboard.

While I am on your comment I want to go ahead and post. I hope it fits with your post.

Isaiah 53:1 kjv
1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted
5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 52 makes comments about the needes of His people and Jerusalem. Isaiah 53 shows the solution.

It is not silver or gold that will help but the Messiah.
He will grow up before His Father.
First as words ( the seed )
Then as a man (by the Holy Spirit)
Proves himself to be the Son ( through obedience)
Becomes a quickening spirit in his maturity
Enters those who will hear his voice and open the door

He came down from heaven
Dwelt among his people
Established eternal life

Jerusalem starts out a city made by man, but we are looking for a New Jerusalem. The New Jerusalem in us derives it’s power from Jesus the Messiah (the Father's will) in us.

Much symbolism.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
Hmmm

Interesting question. I guess spiritual existence isn't necessarily maintenance free. Lucifer seems to have problems with his spiritual existence.

Exetor suggested it is to sustain eternal life... that sounds very reasonable.

Since heaven and earth will pass away but His Words will not pass away, maybe the Tree of Life is the Word of God (Truth and Light) which yields fruit for us to regularly eat/learn in order to maintain some semblance of rational, logical, relevant existence.

Hmmm
 
I have a question. If it's going to happen that, in the twinkling of an eye we will be transformed into our new spiritual bodies and become immortal eternal beings... (1 Corinthians 15:52-53) ....

Then please tell me why a Tree of Life is needed in Heaven?

The Tree of Life and the River of Life which is described in Revelation 22 is in the New Jerusalem, that's what it's talking about. But if we have immortal bodies then why would we need to eat and drink ti have sternal life?

I guess the question has now become, do not all people who get saved receive glorified bodies? Maybe they will be the ones to need the tree of life?

Revelation 22 And he showed me a [a]pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
General discussion area.
Prolonged physical life.
Tied to the concept of prolonged spiritual life.

One concept of life seen in two parallel context areas.

Oh but brother life is either physical or spiritual an never will the Twain be joined. Well some think that.

What does physical life need to continue?
Nutrients
Anti mold and mildew agents
Bacteria and virus protection
Good mental attitude



What does spiritual life need to continue
Words of God as a source of energy
Knowledge against things that will slowly move your trust away from good.
Spiritual immune system that fights heresy.
A merry heart that does good like a medicine

Redneck simplicity ( sorry folks ). Help a feller out here.

Daniel did not help Babylon out with chemical formulas and physical processes but with spiritual prophecy. He was more about mental ( God’s spiritual eyes of understanding).

Gods creation put an immune system in us before sin / disease physically existed. God spoke of the Messiah before man released he need deliverance from demonic forces of evil.

God had a plan for physical and spiritual deliverance. The two plans are parallel. Oh no brother they are separate and accidental.

The seed is the word of God
The Ground is mens hearts.
The tares prohibit good production.

Parallel universes known by God from creation. Gods physical creation announced a solution. One is hidden but strong enough.

A tree bearing fruit in its season.
One season under the Law.
One season under kingdom principles.

One side of Jordan about captivity
One side of Jordan about promises.

One Jerusalem made by man with religion.
One Jerusalem coming down to man from God with eternal life with God.

One tree with physical fruit.
One tree with spiritual nourishment ( Jesus the Messiah)

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
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