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[veteran]

Yet Rome has other connections that have nothing to do with the Roman Church, like the globalist industrialist group called the Club of Rome.

Which the pope has addressed. Many of the Club of Rome's members are leading Roman Catholics.

And a there's a lot of Protestant Christian leaders involved in the New Word Order working too, so just because the Club of Rome might have members of the Roman Church doesn't prove Rome is the seat of the beast.

 

[RND]

And a there's a lot of Protestant Christian leaders involved in the New Word Order working too,

Well the mother does have her harlots!

so just because the Club of Rome might have members of the Roman Church doesn't prove Rome is the seat of the beast.

Exactly. But it does prove that most of these 'secret societies' are aligned with Rome.

 

[veteran]

I too agree with Luther's thesis against the Roman Church, but like how Samuel is saying. The role of the pope can only be one of the "many antichrists" fulfillment, and not the final antichrist The Bible is speaking of. Apostle Paul was very specific about the role of the final antichrist in 2 Thessalonians 2, when he gave the prophecy of a false one coming to sit in a temple to show himself as God. That is also the prophecy our Lord Jesus gave to His disciples while on the Mount of Olives, for the Scripture "false Christs" is actually the phrase 'a pseudo messiah' in the Greek, and that's the one which is to setup idol worship in a temple in Jerusalem per the Daniel prophecy. The Romans never did that.

That particular event of a false one coming to actually play God is about the devil, because it's about how Satan first rebelled against God, in coveting God's Throne, per Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. And in Ezekiel 28:18, we are told of Satan's eventual destruction by a fire from the midst of himself, ON THE EARTH.

Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
(KJV)

Even when there were caesars still in power in Rome, with one (Domitian) that had John put in captivity to the Isle of Patmos, Christ through John gave the Rev.12:7-9 prophecy about the devil being cast down to this earth for the tribulation timing. That's the one Paul was talking about in 2 Thess.2. And that's what the Daniel 11 prophecy is of the one who makes a "league" in Jerusalem, and then places the abomination of desolation. This is why the Rev.11 prophecy is pointing to Jerusalem concerning God's two witnesses, with their being killed by the beast that ascends up out of the bottomless pit (i.e., Satan).

The Daniel prophecy is about his people and Jerusalem, so it didn't just all get up and move to Rome.

 

[veteran]

And a there's a lot of Protestant Christian leaders involved in the New Word Order working too,

Well the mother does have her harlots!

so just because the Club of Rome might have members of the Roman Church doesn't prove Rome is the seat of the beast.

Exactly. But it does prove that most of these 'secret societies' are aligned with Rome.

Eventually, you're going to find out it's not the secret societies that are aligning with Rome, but the Roman Church, and the majority of Protestant Churches aligning with the paganism of the secret societies. That is already at work today, with the attempt to join all the world's religions together. One will be very surprised when the real seat of the secret societies is finally revealed. They'll discover it not at Rome, but at Jerusalem in the end of days as Christ's coming get's closer, for Jerusalem is where it is written our Lord Jesus is to return and reveal the final antichrist for who he is, per 2 Thess.2; Zech.14; Acts 1; Rev.16.

 

[RND]

Eventually, you're going to find out it's not the secret societies that are aligning with Rome, but the Roman Church, and the majority of Protestant Churches aligning with the paganism of the secret societies. That is already at work today, with the attempt to join all the world's religions together.

Right, the mother wants her children back. Rome, i.e. the RCC is the head of the snake, not the tail.

One will be very surprised when the real seat of the secret societies is finally revealed. They'll discover it not at Rome, but at Jerusalem in the end of days as Christ's coming get's closer, for Jerusalem is where it is written our Lord Jesus is to return and reveal the final antichrist for who he is, per 2 Thess.2; Zech.14; Acts 1; Rev.16.

When the Papacy moves it's seat from Rome to Jerusalem then I'll worry. Until then everything is done through Rome. It's that Bible prophecy thingy.

Here's a great set of videos to get you started:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... of+Babylon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2117463744

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7079572938

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0156242906

 

[veteran]

Eventually, you're going to find out it's not the secret societies that are aligning with Rome, but the Roman Church, and the majority of Protestant Churches aligning with the paganism of the secret societies. That is already at work today, with the attempt to join all the world's religions together.

Right, the mother wants her children back. Rome, i.e. the RCC is the head of the snake, not the tail.

Rome is not the head of the serpent at all. The head of the secret societies is the head of the serpent, and the workers of the serpent (devil) are the "tares" our Lord Jesus revealed in Matt.13. They are the rotten basket of figs Jeremiah was shown in Jeremiah 24. They are the "synagogue of Satan" Christ revealed that say they are Jews, but lie and are not (Rev.2:9; 3;9). The paganism originates from the pagan secret societies of all ages, which began with ancient Babylon.

[quote:33dnjgxh]
One will be very surprised when the real seat of the secret societies is finally revealed. They'll discover it not at Rome, but at Jerusalem in the end of days as Christ's coming get's closer, for Jerusalem is where it is written our Lord Jesus is to return and reveal the final antichrist for who he is, per 2 Thess.2; Zech.14; Acts 1; Rev.16.

When the Papacy moves it's seat from Rome to Jerusalem then I'll worry. Until then everything is done through Rome. It's that Bible prophecy thingy.[/quote:33dnjgxh]

Bible prophecy for the end of days is especially about Israel and Jerusalem, not Rome. If the papacy were to move to Jerusalem, that would no longer be Israel in Jerusalem. The papacy can only become a part of the serpent's working, but not the serpent itself. And the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" would never allow Rome to take possession of Jerusalem, for that would be their admitting that Christianity has been correct all along.

 

[RND]

Rome is not the head of the serpent at all. The head of the secret societies is the head of the serpent, and the workers of the serpent (devil) are the "tares" our Lord Jesus revealed in Matt.13.

The dragon gave the beast his power.

They are the rotten basket of figs Jeremiah was shown in Jeremiah 24. They are the "synagogue of Satan" Christ revealed that say they are Jews, but lie and are not (Rev.2:9; 3;9). The paganism originates from the pagan secret societies of all ages, which began with ancient Babylon.

To which the Pope is actually the "Pontifex Maximus" which actually originated in Babylon.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/whoreofbabylon.htm
http://babylonmysteryreligion.com/Secre ... ieties.htm

Bible prophecy for the end of days is especially about Israel and Jerusalem, not Rome.

Great. Then you should be able to tell me how the woman rides the beast and what all the symbols of her point to Israel. You know, like the golden cup, the purple and scarlet clothes, the "decked" gold, etc. What laws and times did Israel ever change? How was Israel responsible for the "wearing out of the saints"?

If the papacy were to move to Jerusalem, that would no longer be Israel in Jerusalem.

The Papacy already has a fortress in Jerusalem.

The papacy can only become a part of the serpent's working,

Exactly. See Rev. 13:1-5.

but not the serpent itself.

Nope. No one can become Satan except Satan.

And the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" would never allow Rome to take possession of Jerusalem, for that would be their admitting that Christianity has been correct all along.

I don't think you understand that the "synagogue of Satan" blast refers to those that aren't converted Christians. See Romans 2:28-29.

 

[veteran]

The dragon gave the beast his power.

Yes, and God defined who that "dragon" is per Revelation 12:9. It's Satan himself, and not any flesh man.

To which the Pope is actually the "Pontifex Maximus" which actually originated in Babylon.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/whoreofbabylon.htm
http://babylonmysteryreligion.com/Secre ... ieties.htm

It's better to stick with God's Word on the matter, for one could look at others besides a pope today and also see pagan titles of history being used, like in Masonic Lodges.

Great. Then you should be able to tell me how the woman rides the beast and what all the symbols of her point to Israel. You know, like the golden cup, the purple and scarlet clothes, the "decked" gold, etc. What laws and times did Israel ever change? How was Israel responsible for the "wearing out of the saints"?

God used the 'harlot' metaphor often in the OT for the children of Israel when they disobyed Him, and followed after the false worship of the nations around them. BUT, He ALSO addressed Jerusalem as a harlot when the Jebusites of Canaan had possession of her (Ezek.16). In the last verse of Rev.17 we are told what the "woman" there respresents. It's a "great city". So the "woman" there is NOT the people of Israel, nor deceived Christians that fall away, nor a pope, nor the nation of Israel, but a specific city. For the end of days it will be Jerusalem, for that's where Rev.11 reveals God's "two witnesses" are killed, with their dead bodies left laying in the street, and that's where Christ is to return back to this earth as written in Zechariah 14.

The Papacy already has a fortress in Jerusalem.

And Islam controls part of the city of Jerusalem, and has a mosque on the Temple Mount. All that shows Jerusalem today in a fallen state, and not having been rescued by God's hand from spiritual harlotry.

The papacy can only become a part of the serpent's working,

Exactly. See Rev. 13:1-5.

And likewise with those behind the movement for a one world government, like international bodies like the United Nations and its sub organizations, and all the gloablist organizations tied to that movement, like the Trilateral Commisssion, Council On Foreign Relations, British Round Table, etc. The body of the serpent moves through many like-minded centers throughout the world today, so to focus on Rome and a pope is narrow-mindedness.

Rev.13:1-5 is about the final beast kingdom of the feet of toes given in the Book of Daniel. It's toes are to be of part iron and part clay. So what's the clay represent?

but not the serpent itself.

Nope. No one can become Satan except Satan.

I don't think you understand that the "synagogue of Satan" blast refers to those that aren't converted Christians. See Romans 2:28-29.

Why would you call that "synagogue of Satan" phrase our Lord Jesus used in Rev.2:9 and 3:9 a "blast"? Do you have a problem with our Lord Jesus using that "synagogue of Satan" phrase? In Rev.3, Christ said He'd make them come worship at the feet of His elect. What does that show about their possible Salvation through Him?

 

[RND]

Yes, and God defined who that "dragon" is per Revelation 12:9. It's Satan himself, and not any flesh man.

So this is the work of Satan. The Romish system is Satanic.

To which the Pope is actually the "Pontifex Maximus" which actually originated in Babylon.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/whoreofbabylon.htm
http://babylonmysteryreligion.com/Secre ... ieties.htm

It's better to stick with God's Word on the matter, for one could look at others besides a pope today and also see pagan titles of history being used, like in Masonic Lodges.[/quote] Certainly you aren't suggesting the Freemasons rule the world.

[quote:5ekuwm47] Great. Then you should be able to tell me how the woman rides the beast and what all the symbols of her point to Israel. You know, like the golden cup, the purple and scarlet clothes, the "decked" gold, etc. What laws and times did Israel ever change? How was Israel responsible for the "wearing out of the saints"?

God used the 'harlot' metaphor often in the OT for the children of Israel when they disobyed Him, and followed after the false worship of the nations around them. BUT, He ALSO addressed Jerusalem as a harlot when the Jebusites of Canaan had possession of her (Ezek.16).[/quote:5ekuwm47] It's all still spiritual adultery.

In the last verse of Rev.17 we are told what the "woman" there respresents. It's a "great city". So the "woman" there is NOT the people of Israel, nor deceived Christians that fall away, nor a pope, nor the nation of Israel, but a specific city.

Rome.

For the end of days it will be Jerusalem, for that's where Rev.11 reveals God's "two witnesses" are killed, with their dead bodies left laying in the street, and that's where Christ is to return back to this earth as written in Zechariah 14.

Those two witnesses were the word of God which were silenced for 1,260 years during the Papal rule from 538 to 1798. They were resurrected with the great advent of the Bible societies that spread the word of God faster than at anytime in history.

[quote:5ekuwm47] The Papacy already has a fortress in Jerusalem.

And Islam controls part of the city of Jerusalem, and has a mosque on the Temple Mount. All that shows Jerusalem today in a fallen state, and not having been rescued by God's hand from spiritual harlotry.[/quote:5ekuwm47] An Catholicism invented Islam. Both share many of the same attributes, teaching and rituals.

[quote:5ekuwm47]The papacy can only become a part of the serpent's working,

Exactly. See Rev. 13:1-5.

And likewise with those behind the movement for a one world government, like international bodies like the United Nations and its sub organizations, and all the gloablist organizations tied to that movement, like the Trilateral Commisssion, Council On Foreign Relations, British Round Table, etc. The body of the serpent moves through many like-minded centers throughout the world today, so to focus on Rome and a pope is narrow-mindedness.[/quote:5ekuwm47] And all are under the guidance of the papacy. Here's a pic of JPII meeting with the Bilderbergers:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/pope ... trilat.jpg

Oh, and don't listen too much to Alex Jones....He's a Jesuit insider! Never brings up Rome. Ever. Bristles in fact whenever anyone asks him.

Rev.13:1-5 is about the final beast kingdom of the feet of toes given in the Book of Daniel. It's toes are to be of part iron and part clay. So what's the clay represent?

Divided Europe.

[quote:5ekuwm47]but not the serpent itself.

Nope. No one can become Satan except Satan.

I don't think you understand that the "synagogue of Satan" blast refers to those that aren't converted Christians. See Romans 2:28-29.

Why would you call that "synagogue of Satan" phrase our Lord Jesus used in Rev.2:9 and 3:9 a "blast"? [/quote:5ekuwm47] Slang; a figure of speech.

Do you have a problem with our Lord Jesus using that "synagogue of Satan" phrase?

Nope.

In Rev.3, Christ said He'd make them come worship at the feet of His elect.

Yep.

What does that show about their possible Salvation through Him?

Well considering it's a recognition of Him as King it doesn't refer to the salvation of the lost.

 

[samuel]

I don't know what Rome did to the Adventist, but they all have this faddish about it being the seat of the Beast, and the pope being that beast. To an extreme, it consumes their entire religious philosophy.

Like I said the RCC is anti-christ, but it is not the anti-christ of the end times. No self respecting Jew, would ever accept the pope! as their Messiah. Maybe Obama, but not the pope.

 

[RND]

I don't know what Rome did to the Adventist,

Not a thing. I do want to say however that, just like every other protestant denomination, we too have been infiltrated by Jesuits. It's getting to the point now that a person can not tell you what a protestant is, or what they are protesting!

Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience.

As spiritualism more closely imitates the nominal Christianity of the day, it has greater power to deceive and ensnare. Satan himself is converted, after the modern order of things. He will appear in the character of an angel of light. Through the agency of spiritualism, miracles will be wrought,the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed. And as the spirits will profess faith in the Bible, and manifest respect for the institutions of the church, their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power.

The line of distinction between professed Christians and the ungodly is now hardly distinguishable. Church members love what the world loves and are ready to join with them, and Satan determines to unite them in one body and thus strengthen his cause by sweeping all into the ranks of spiritualism. Papists, who boast of miracles as a certain sign of the true church, will be readily deceived by this wonder-working power; and Protestants, having cast away the shield of truth, will also be deluded. Papists, Protestants, and worldlings will alike accept the form of godliness without the power, and they will see in this union a grand movement for the conversion of the world and the ushering in of the long-expected millennium. - Ellen White, The Great Controversy, page 588

but they all have this faddish about it being the seat of the Beast,

Which it is.

and the pope being that beast.

The office, not necessarily the person.

To an extreme, it consumes their entire religious philosophy.

Well, God's word does definitely say that there will be a remnant that proclaims this last day message. The Three Angel's messages in Rev. 14:6-12 is calling out a special people to proclaim the goodness of God and the mark if the beast.

Like I said the RCC is anti-christ,

No doubt. But she, as the mother, as the Bible tells us, has many unfaithful-to-God harlot daughters.

but it is not the anti-christ of the end times.

Well, what can I say. She is the "woman" that rides "the beast."

No self respecting Jew, would ever accept the pope! as their Messiah.

Sure they will! When he finally brings an attempted peace between all religions and all sides he will be seen as a hero. The Bible says "all the world" wonders after the beast. Not just Christians, not just Buddhist, but ALL the world.

Maybe Obama, but not the pope.

Well, I guess you don't know about every US president since Reagan has always met with the Pope in Rome shortly after taking office. Like I said, the Bible says "all" so that will include the Jews. I believe the Bible.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[Elijah674]

2 Peter 2
[4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; (chains of what??? DARKNESS! Exactly as God told us in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 before CREATION.)

Jude 1
[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Rev.20
[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
(And this is told us exactly as seen in Jer. 4:23-27)

[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

(again Jer, 4:26 FINDS SOME ready at the Second Coming of Christ)

[5] But the rest of the d-e-a-d lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
(put number 6 here!)This is the first resurrection.

[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

(DOING WHAT??? See 1 Cor. 6:2-3. When the above SECOND Death comes at this times ENDING, when would the time be for us to have a part in this Execution stage if not during this period of 1000 years???)

[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

(this is when all the wicked have their 'SECOND' resurection & then will follow the SECOND DEATH And what is important to the UNIVERSE as well, is that this resurection finds these ones [ALL] the same satanic way as when thay went into their graves)

[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (There are quite a number at that time who come up out of their graves to die the Second Eternal death. Note verse 12 of Jude 1 stated TWICE DEAD!)

--Elijah

 

[Scotth1960]

ls a time frame of 3.5 years in (7) different places in the bible, in both the OT and NT. Can you think of ANY warning, throughout the entire bible, given to us more? There is NONE!!! How many times and in how many ways must God tell us this warning?


Now if God wanted to tell us the Tribulation period was to last for 7 years he could just as easily have said;

"Two thousand five hundred and fifty and five days."

"Times, Times, Times and a Time."

"Eighty and Four months."

But He did not! Now why is that? It would not have been hard to do or for us to figure out.

Again….would you like to go with the ONE scripture that says NOTHING at all about the AOD nor the Tribulation Period and try to MAKE it fit into what you think is right?

Or would you rather go with the plain and very easy to understand warnings of Daniel, Paul, John and your Savior Jesus Christ?


Choose very carefully……Your life DOES depend upon it!


As always, please pray for wisdom and understanding


Peace in the name of Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE]


Dear friend, I believe the bottom line in the NT Scripture, For the elect's (the Church's) sake, those days shall be cut short ..." God will put an end to the tribulation of those days (Matt. 24), so no man will know the day nor the hour of the second coming of Christ. The days will end quickly, and the days will be shortened. It is only a matter of time before Christ defeats Satan, and rescues His Church on earth from the evil one. God will be merciful to all who repent and believe in Christ and who call upon the name of the Lord. In Erie Scott H.