THE TRUE ORIGIN OF "ALLAH"

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The True Origin of 'Allah': The Archaeological Record Speaks

The Name of God in the Bible

The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as "The Self-Existent One", being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning "to exist". As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible.

What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of any deity outside the Bible.

There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worhipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name "Yahweh" was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation.

It is claimed by Muslims that Allah is the God of the Bible and that he is mentioned in the sacred texts. This is absolutely not true. The name "Allah" does not appear once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YAHWEH (meaning "He (who) is") or as a contraction, YAH. [Please note that the name "Jehovah" is not a biblical name of God but was especially 'created' by Jews afraid to pronounce the Sacred Name by combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels from adonai, meaning "Lord"].

The word alah does exist in Hebrew but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. It has three principal meanings: (a) to curse, swear, or adjure; (b) to lament (weep); and (c) to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc.. It is an indisputable fact that ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no word 'alah' or 'allah' in the Greek New Testament at all. It was, quite simply, unknown in the Bible world. To therefore claim that 'Allah' was the name of God in the Bible is without one single shred of evidence. God has always been known as Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah.

Muslim scholars have gone to great lengths to try and prove that the Arabic "Allah" is, in fact, the same as the Hebrew "Eloah", which is not a proper name and simply translates as "God". The words "El" and "Elohim" also translate the same way, appear far more numerously than Eloah, and may be used to designate either the true God, pagan deities, idols, or even human judges. It is for this reason that I have heard Muslim apologists get annoyed when other Muslins talk about "God" instead of "Allah" because the word "God" can be applied to any religion's god. They recognise that Allah is a proper name which distinguishes the God of the Muslims from the God of the Jews and Christians, or the gods of the Hindus and others. "Eloah" is, in any case, a derivative of "El" and its plural "Elohim" which doesn't remotely sound like "Allah". You will not find many (if any) Muslims insisting that they worship the Hebrew Eloah - the only time they ever try to make a connection is when trying to recruit Jews and Christians to Islam. If I were confess that "Eloah" were my God and that Mohammed was his prophet I doubt any Muslim would believe I had converted to Islam!

There is another El-derived word for "God" in the Old Testament which sounds similar to Allah and that is Elah. It is only used by the prophets Ezra, Daniel and once by Jeremiah. It is, again, not a proper name, and actually also means an "oak tree" and was thus also used by pagans as a title for their tree deities, i.e. idols. I doubt somehow that Muslims would wish their Allah to be associated with an idol.

Even if the Muslim scholars were right about "Eloah" (which the evidence strongly repudiates) we would then be faced with the problem that God has two proper names - Yahweh and Eloah/Allah - which contradicts God's own testimony in the Old Testament that He is only known as Yahweh.

The Name Yahweh is enshrined in the Third Commandment:

Thou shalt not take the Name of Yahweh () thy Elohim [God] in vain" (Ex.20:7)

The word "vain" is the Hebrew shoaw, meaning "to rush over, to bring devastation, uselessness, or ruin". In other words, this is THE Sacred Name above all names. This Name is not to be blasphemed (Lev.24:16) or desicrated. It is to be treated with reverential awe because it is the essence of the True God Himself.ove). The Bible teaches from cover to cover that the true Name of God, Yahweh, is essential to salvation. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used througout. Yahweh is the creator "who made the earth and the heavens" (Gen.2:4).God's true Name was even preserved in the Name of the Messiah because it is YAH / Yahweh - who saves. The Name of "Jesus" was "YAHWEH SAVES". The Scriptures are therefore consistent not only in preserving the true Name of God, Yahweh, throughout, but in placing the Sacred Name in the Messiah as well. This is no accident of immense prophetic significance. There are now millions of believers who now no longer use the name "Jehovah" and who use the correct name

What has this to do with our discussion of Allah? The reason I have spent so much time underscoring the Biblical Name of God is to show clearly and finally that it has been known as Yahweh since the beginning of time. And whilst there are certain superficial similarities in sound to the Arabic "Allah" the meaning and historical origin is quite, quite different.

 

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Origin of the Name Allah

The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god", i.e. the god. We see immediately that (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity; and (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one. It would also be wrong to compare "Allah" with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because "Allah" is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity.

The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "'Allah' is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Baylonian Bel" (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).

I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively that is true. Though this data will be painful for many of our readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, reason and common sense, and the evidence of your eyes, they must be faced.

"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)

"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)

"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)

"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)

"The name Allah goes back before Muhammed" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, "The Facts on File", ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)

The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)

Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:

"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p.102)

Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:

The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p.31)

Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:

"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god". In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it dererves separate treatment" (Mohammad's Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, "Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)

Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)

According to Middle East scholar E.M.Wherry, whose translation of the Koran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabrück: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p.36).

"In ancient Arabia, the sun-god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah (op.cit., Islam, p.7)

The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to the other titles that could be given to him.

"Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called 'the daughters of Allah'. These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

"The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities" (Robert Morey, The Islamic Invasion, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers, 1977, pp.50-51).

The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend records:

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Allah" (op.cit., I:61).

It is a well known fact archaeologically speaking that the cresent moon was the symbol of worship of the moon god both in Arabia and throughout the Middle East in pre-Islamic times. Archaeologists have excavated numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on the top of the head of the deity to symbolise the worship of the moon-god. Interestingly, whilst the moon was generally worshipped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.

In Mesopotamia the Sumerian god Nanna, named Sîn by the Akkadians, was worshipped in particular in Ur, where he was the chief god of the city, and also in the city of Harran in Syria, which had close religious links with Ur. The Ugaritic texts have shown that there a moon deity was worshipped under the name yrh. On the monuments the god is represented by the symbol of the crescent moon. At Hazor in Palestine a small Canaanite shrine of the late Bronze Age was discovered which contained a basalt stele depicting two hands lifted as if in prayer to a crescent moon, indicating that the shrine was dedicated to the moon god.

The worship of stellar deities, instead of Yahweh, was always a temptation faced by the Israelites (Dt.4:19; Jer.7:18; Am.5:26; Ac.7:43). But Yahweh is at the zennith of the heavens (Job 22:12).

"The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.

"The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant rôle in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.

"The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god" (op.cit., Morey, p.51).

History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess. We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?

It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed. It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca.

As we have seen, and as is acknowledged amongst all scholars of Middle Eastern religious history, the worship of the moon-god extended far beyond Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in moon-worship. The data falls neatly in place and we are able therefore to understand, in part, the early success Islam had amongst Arab groups that had traditionally worshipped Allah, the moon-god. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa, and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshipped as the moon-god in Mecca.

Educated Muslims understand these facts only too well - better, in fact, than most Christians. Robert Morey recalls a conversation he once had:

"During one trip to Washington DC I got involved in a conversation with a Muslim taxi driver from Iran. When I asked him, 'Where did Islam obtain its symbol of the crescent moon?' he responded that it was an ancient pagan symbol used throughout the Middle East and that adopting this symbol had helped Muslims to convert people throughout the Middle East. When I pointed out that the word Allah itself was used by the moon-god cult in pre-Islamic Arabia, he agreed that this was the case. I then pointed out that the religion and the Quran of Muhammad could be explained in terms of pre-Islamic culture, customs, and religious ideas. He agreed with this! He went on to explain that he was a university-educated Muslim who, at this point in his life, was attempting to understand Islam from a scholarly viewpoint. As a result, he had lost his faith in Islam. The significance of the pre-Islamic source of the name Allah cannot be overestimated" (op.cit., pp.52-53).

If there is one thing that has been abundantly clear in my study of comparative religions it is this: all the major religions have different concepts of deity. Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu and Buddha are absolutely not the same. In other words, all religions do not worship the same God, only under different names. That is why the use of the word "God" in describing deity is so inadequate and why we must return to the names of these deities to discover what they actually mean in terms of personality and attributes. Ignoring the essential differences which divide world religions is an insult to the uniqueness of world religions.

Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is not Allah the god of the Koran,

is not Vishnu the god of the Vedas, is not the god of the Buddhists, etc.. As we shall see in a later article, there are fundamental differences between Yahweh and Allah in terms of personal attributes, theology, morals, ethics, soteriology, eschatology, theocracy, and in almost every other respect. They represent two different spiritual worlds. And when we discover even more of the nature of Yahweh through the revelation of Jesus we see that the gap between the Bible and the Koran is even wider.

I shall conclude this article with more evidence concerning the true origin of the deity which has been incorporated into Islam as Allah.

 

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Archaeology of the Moon-God

Muslims worship a deity called Allah and claim that the Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God, Yahweh, of the patriarchs, prophets, and apostles.

Ahmed Deedat, well-known Muslim apologist, argues that Allah is a biblical name for God on the basis of "Allelujah" which he convolutes into "Allah-lujah" (What is His Name?, Durban, SA: IPCI, 1990, p.37). This only reveals that he does not understand Hebrew, for haleluyah is the contracted form of Yahweh, YAH, preceeded by the verb "to praise" (literally, Praise Yah(weh)!). His other "biblical" arguments are equally absurd. He also claims that the word "Allah" was never corrupted by paganism. "Allah is a unique word for the only God ... you cannot make a feminine of Allah", says Deedat. But what he does not tell his readers is that one of Allah's daughters was named "Al-Lat", which is the feminine form of "Allah"!

The issue here is therefore seen to be one of CONTINUITY for the Muslim's claim of continuity (from Judaism to Christianity to Islam) is essential in their attempt to convert Jews and Christians. If "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted.

Religious claims often come to grief as a result of solid scientific, archaeological evidence. So, instead of endlessly speculating about the past, we can look to science to see what the evidence reveals. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the moon-god who was married to the sun-goddess and the stars were his daughters.

Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most widespread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the moon-god. It was even the religion of the patriarch Abraham before Yahweh revealed Himself and commanded him to leave his home in Ur of the Chaldees and migrate to Canaan

Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the moon-god throughout the Middle East (see the artistic reconstruction above based on museum artifacts, wall paintings found in ruined cities, etc. in ancient Mesopotamia). From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most widespread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the moon-god.

The Sumerians, in the first literate civilisation, left thoudands of clay tablets describing their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjöberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a moon-god who was called by many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen, and Asimbabbar (Mark Hall, A Study of the Sumerian Moon-god, Sin, PhD., 1985, University of Pennsylvania). His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and Arkkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sîn as their favourite name for this deity (Austin Potts, The Hymns and Prayers to the Moon-god, Sin, PhD., 1971, Dropsie College, p.2). As Professor Potts pointed out, "Sîn is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites" (op.cit., p.4).

In ancient Syria and Canna, the moon-god Sîn was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times, the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasise all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sîn and the stars were their daughters. For example, Ishtar was the daughter of Sîn (Ibid., p.7).

Sacrifices to the moon-god are described in the Ras Shamra texts (see Ras Shamra stele from North Syria to the right). In the Ugaritic texts, the moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia (above right), as well as in Egypt (left), the moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statutes. He was the judge of men and gods.

As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklasses, wall murals, and so on. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with crescent moon on its forehead, the same idol the children of Israel worshipped in the Desert of Sîn (Sînai) during the apostacy whilst Moses was on top of the mountain getting the Ten Commandments from Yahweh. While God's prophet (Moses) was conversing with the true God, Yahweh, the Israelites were descending into idolatry worshipping the moon-god, Sîn! An idol with the body of a bull and the head of a man has a crescent inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the moon god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the moon-god (Ibid, pp.14-21).

Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period. A temple of the moon-god was excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon-worship that are now displayed in the British Museum. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the moon-god. An example of the Babylonian moon-god is shown to the right. Note the presence of the crescent.

In the 1950's a major temple to the moon-god was excavated at Hazor in Palestine. Two idols of the moon-god were found. Each was a statue of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved into his chest (below left). The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the moon-god (below right). The worship tablet found at the same sight (left) shows arms outstretched towards the Moon-god here represented by the full moon within the crescent moon. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the daughters of the moon-god. These are illustrated in the collection of photographs (below right).

What about Arabia? As pointed out by Professor Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loathe to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms" (Carleton S. Coon, Southern Arabia, Washington DC, Smithsonian, 1944, p.398).

During the 19th century, Arnaud, Halevy, and Glaser went to southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qarabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated.

In the 1940's, archaeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F.Albright, Richard Bower, and others excavated sites Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba).

Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them (North Arabian archaeological finds concerning Al-Lat are discussed in: Isaac Rabinowitz, Aramaic Inscriptions of the Fifth Century, JNES, XV, 1956, pp.1-9; Another Aramaic Record of the North Arabian goddess Han'Llat, JNES, XVIII, 1959, pp.154-55; Edward Linski, The Goddess Atirat in Ancient Arabia, in Babylon and in Ugarit: Her Relation to the Moon-god and the Sun-goddess, Orientalia Lovaniensia Periodica, 3:101-9; H.J.Drivers, Iconography and Character of the Arab Goddess Allat, found in Études Preliminaries Aux Religions Orientales Dans L'Empire Roman, ed. Maarten J. Verseren, Leiden, Brill, 1978, pp.331-51).

The archaeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion in Arabia was the cult of the moon-god. The Old Testament consistenly rebuked the worship of the moon-god (e.g. Dt.4:19; 17:3; 2 Ki.21:3,5; 23:5; Jer.8:2; 19:13; Zeph.1:5). When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually to the cult of the moon-god. In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last King of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia, as a centre of moon-god worship. Segall stated: "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations" (Berta Segall, The Iconography of Cosmic Kingship, the Art Bulletin, vol.xxxviii, 1956, p.77). Many scholars have also noticed that the moon-god's name, Sín, is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai", the "wilderness of Sîn", and so forth.

When the popularity of the moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the moon-god. This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism.

In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidah, that she had uncovered a temple of the moon-god in southern Arabia (see map above). The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than 21 inscriptions with the name Sîn were found in this temple (see above left). An idol which is probably the moon-god himself was also discovered (see above right). This was later confirmed by other well-known archaeologists (See Richard Le Baron Bower Jr. and Frank P. Albright, Archaeological Discoveries in South Arabia, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1958, p.78ff; Ray Cleveland, An Ancient South Arabian Necropolis, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1965; Nelson Gleuck, Deities and Dolphins, New York, Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, 1965).

The temple reveals that the temple of the moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult.

According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the moon-god was Sîn, his title was al-ilah, "the deity", meaning that he was the chief of high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The God Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon-God" (Coon, Southern Arabia, p.399).

The moon-god was called al-ilah, the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle has Allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their parents proves that Allah was the title for the moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Professor Coon says, "Similarly, under Muhammad's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, of Allah, the Supreme Being" (Ibid.).

This fact answers the questions: "Why is Allah never defined in the Quran?" and "Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?"

Muhammad was raised in the religion of the moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah the moon-god was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in the pantheon of deities,Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only God.

In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is accept the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods."

This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest" - he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the greatest except in a polytheistic (many gods) context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser.

That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. Thus "Allah" was the moon-god according to the archaeological evidence.

Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians he said that Allah was their God, too. But both the Jews and the Christians, who worshipped Yahweh, knew better and they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat (Three Early Christian-Muslim Debates, ed. by N.A.Newman, Hatfield, PA, IBRI, 1994, pp.357, 413, 426).

Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be ... a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry" (Ibid., p.719). Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded, "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and the Jews" (Caesar Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observances, New York, Barrons, 1987, p.28).

The Arabs worshipped the moon-god as a supreme deity. But that was not biblical monotheism. While the moon-god was greater than all the other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times.

Is it any wonder that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

 

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Conclusion

The pagan Arabs worshipped the moon god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month that begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, and so on.

The fact that the Muslims worship only one god - are monotheists - does not prove that the god they worship is the True God. A similar pagan "reformation" occurred in ancient Egypt when Pharaoh Akhenaton decided to become a monotheist by making the sun-god Aton the one and only true god of Egypt, persecuting and outlawing worship of all the other gods of his nation.

There are four interesting parallels with Islam here: (a) Akhenaton made the male sun-god the one and only god of Egypt, while (b) Muhammad made the male moon-god the one and only god of the Arabs. Neither god remotely resembled Yahweh, the God of the Bible, both being pagan deities borrowed from polytheistic religions. And there is a third parallel: (c) Though technically monotheistic, in practice Akhenaton remained a god himself. Though never calling himself a "god", Muhammad certainly accrued many of the attributes of godly power as we shall see in subsequent articles. Finally, (d) Akhenaton used as a symbol for his god the Ankh Cross consisting of a solar disk atop a Tau cross, whilst Muhammad retained for Islam the pagan crescent moon symbol of the moon-god Allah.

TO THE MUSLIM

Is this all a fanciful, far-fetched conclusion? Is all the vast array of scholarly information available on Allah simply a conspiracy by evil Westerners to discredit Islam? Or might what you have read be the truth? Are you honest enough to continue researching the origins of Islam further? And most importantly, are you honest enough to admit that you might be wrong and that the truth about God lies elsewhere?

My purpose in this article has not been to prove Christianity but simply to examine Islam's roots and to see if the "official version" is believable. What we must not do is try to cover up the deficiencies of our own religion by attacking another one. The two issues muct be kept separate so as not to confuse the issue. This requires self-control above all else. It means keeping passions checked whilst we calmly investigate the facts. Hot-headed people do not tend to find the truth because they are too blinded by their own chaotic feelings.

May Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and all the biblical prophets, and of Jesus Himself, bless and you guide you in the way of truth. Amen.


a link to the original article:
http://www.nccg.org/islam/

 

[Gabe]

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Pre-Islamic and Islamic Crescent-and-Star Glyphs
Anatolian (bottom), Islamic (centre), Ancient Persian Moon-goddess (top)[attachment=0:2encywks]Persian_moon.gif[/attachment:2encywks][attachment=1:2encywks]Islamic Crescent-.gif[/attachment:2encywks][attachment=2:2encywks]Karum-moon.gif[/attachment:2encywks]

 

[Gabe]

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In the 1950's a major temple to the moon-god was excavated at Hazor in Palestine. Two idols of the moon-god were found. Each was a statue of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved into his chest (top). The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the moon-god. The worship tablet found at the same sight (middle) shows arms outstretched towards the Moon-god here represented by the full moon within the crescent moon. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the daughters of the moon-god. These are illustrated in the collection of photographs (bottom).
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[Gabe]

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In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidah, that she had uncovered a temple of the moon-god in southern Arabia (see map in the middle). The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than 21 inscriptions with the name Sîn were found in this temple (top). An idol which is probably the moon-god himself was also discovered (bottom). This was later confirmed by other well-known archaeologists (See Richard Le Baron Bower Jr. and Frank P. Albright, Archaeological Discoveries in South Arabia, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1958, p.78ff; Ray Cleveland, An Ancient South Arabian Necropolis, Baltimore, John Hopkins University Press, 1965; Nelson Gleuck, Deities and Dolphins, New York, Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, 1965).[attachment=0:zxu1fdj8]An idol which is probably the moon-god himself was also discovered.gif[/attachment:zxu1fdj8][attachment=1:zxu1fdj8]map_moontemple.gif[/attachment:zxu1fdj8][attachment=2:zxu1fdj8]The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than 21 inscriptions with the name Sîn were found in this temple.gif[/attachment:zxu1fdj8]

 

[Paidion]

You have presented a great deal of information.

You have pointed out that "Allah" entymologically means "the God". So, the fact is, that in the Arabic language "Allah" means "God". When Muslims become Christians, they still use the word "Allah" in reference to God, since that is the Arabic word for "God".

So these converts to Christianity continue to pray to Allah. I doubt that they are praying to a moon goddess.

 

[Gabe]

Yes, being an ex-Muslim myself, I realise that Muslims or converts to Islam do not pray to a moon goddess, I would never make such a claim because i know it to be untrue.

The point I made in the "For the Cause of Allah." Thread was that if an individual (who's first language happens to not be Arabic) insults "Allah" it is not necessarily an insult to our God "Yahweh" or to "God" in general. This was my original post:

"Allah" is simply the Arab word for "God". Is God baloney?

Arab speaking persons who become Christians continue to pray to "Allah" in their language.

Yes, you are correct as far as a direct translation of the word goes, but English-speaking Muslims almost never refer to 'Allah' as God when speaking in English. They do this to differentiate the Jeudo/Christian concept of God from their view of what God is. It is Muslims themselves who within their own culture have changed the popular meaning of the word 'Allah'. If you read Islamic scripture you will see that 'Allah' is not YHWH or the Father by any means. The Christian concept of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spririt is repulsive and blasthemous to a Muslim, just like the concept of 'Allah' disgusts me and many other Christians. Of course if I was born a Christian in Arabia i may see the word in a different light but as I am no longer a Muslim and I speak primarily in English, I can safely say that I agree with theRealSuperman:

ALLAH IS BALONEY!!!

PS- i would just like to add that the word 'gay' still means 'happy' but through its use in popular culture, it can also mean 'homosexual'. If I say that i feel gay, I could mean I feel happy OR i could mean I feel like a homosexual, it is up to me how I use that word. The same applies to the word 'Allah'; refering to him as 'baloney' is not an insult to our God, not unless I intended it to be.

I'm sure most will be aware that the present definition of a word and its popular usage can and very often DO differ. I will give you another example of this:

The word used for "God" in Hindi is "Pug-wan" (I speak adequate Hindi amongst several other languages) Indians use this word whenever refering to one of their many Hindu gods. However, when speaking of the Christian Deity, most Indians will actualy use the term "God" and not "Pug-wan" technicaly both words are identical but through its popular usage, the word "God" is generaly associated with the Christian Deity by most non-English speakers (well, in the east anyhow) Most Indian Christians I know, when speaking in Hindi do not refer to "God" as "Pug-wan" the same thing has happened with the word "Allah". Muslims (when speaking in English) do not generaly refer to "Allah" as "God"

"God" "Pug-wan" and "Allah" technicaly the same word but each meaning something different to their respective faiths.

As far as this Thread is concerned, I started it in response to this post by TheRealSuperman64:

Allah and God are not the same. Read the Bible and then read the Quran. They are both completely different. That's why we all can safely say Allah is baloney.

These posts by me show that Allah from the Quran and Yahweh from the Bible are not one in the same. they never were and never will be. This lie was started by mohammad once he began to preach to the Jews and Christians. Of course, most Jews and Christians saw through his lies and rejected his pre-Islamic "god" Allah and Islam: thats when the mass slaughter began.

Gabriel

 

[Paidion]

These posts by me show that allah from the quran and Yahweh from the Bible are not one in the same.

It is certainly the case that the CHARACTER of Allah as described in the Quaran is dramatically different from the character of Yahweh as described in the Bible. Nevertheless, that, in itself does not prove that they are different Gods, but simply indicate that they are different descriptions of the ONE TRUE GOD.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the only religions in the world that proclaim ONE GOD who is the creator of all things. People in all three religions believe in the same God.

If Allah is thought to be a different God, simply because Muslims see his character as different, then Yahweh must be a different God because He is described differently in the Old Testament than the Father of our Lord Jesus is revealed in the New Testament. Indeed, that is exactly what the 2nd-century gnostics taught. The taught that Yahweh was the creator who thought He was the only God but was mistaken. According to the gnostics, He was a harsh God who killed people who disobeyed Him. The gnostics taught that the Father of Jesus was loving and kind, and that Jesus was just like Him.

However, differing beliefs about the character of God do not imply belief in different Gods.

Even within Christendom there are drastically different beliefs about the character of God.
For example, some Christians believe that if a person doesn't submit to God or "accept Christ" in some way, God will send him to eternal torment. Others believe that God sends some people to hell in order to correct them, and that all people will sooner or later repent and submit to God, and will eventually be with Him forever. These are two quite differing views concerning the character of God. But does this mean that each group believes in a different God from the other group? I think not.

 

[Gabe]

I agree that the differing character of Allah as described in the Quran and Yahweh as described in the Bible, in itself do not prove that they are different gods.

I take it from the fact that you are a Christian, that you reject Mohammad’s claims that the words he spoke were true revelations from God and not the confused ramblings of an evil perverted old madman, and i am also assuming that theologically you do not see any unexplainable conflicts between the Old and New Testaments. The same cannot be said for Islam's 'holy' book and its 'god' Allah. Even Muslims (who claim that the books within the Bible are also divine revelations from Allah) are unable to reconcile the differences between the two books, so much so that they have to resort to calling the Bible corrupt, regardless of the fact that the Quran says otherwise. (more info)

With that aside, the only thing left that would suggest to a non-Muslim that Yahweh and Allah are one in the same, is whether or not you believe that Allah and Islam originated from and were inspired by Yahweh and the Bible. Archaeological evidence suggests that this was not the case and the origins of Allah were in fact from a pagan idol and the Abrahamic elements (including the 'one true god' stance) were added later,thus the Qurans core claim that Allah is Yahweh has been refuted. (more info)

If I were to declare that Lord Krishna is in fact the one true God/Christ (a claim that many Hindus believe to be true) who is referred to in the Islamic scriptures as 'Allah' and all the other Hindu gods do not exist: would that make Lord Krishna, Yahweh and Allah one in the same? No it most certainly would not, its absurd but this is basically what Mohammad has done with the pagan moon-god 'Allah' and Christian scripture. He did this in order to win converts from Christian and Jewish communities and it largely failed because the Jews and Christians of 1,400 years ago could see how absurd his claims were. Anyone who is gullible or scared enough to put faith in my ridiculous claims would swear-blind of it's true but any sane-minded individual who is on the outside looking in would investigate my claims and the history of ‘my’ Deity of choice and realise that my claims are without foundation and false. Does it matter that through violent conquests, forced conversions and intimidation, I have eventually gained 1.2 billion supporters who say that I am right? Does this give my empty claims any more substance? NO!

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I would also like to add that I base my own views on archaeological findings and not on Mohammad or his followers say so. I expect most Muslims will ignore this evidence because the acknowledgement of it would undoubtedly cause their faith to crumble.

Gabriel

 

[therealsuperman64]

Allah and God may have the same meaning but they are completely different. If you compare the Bible to the Qu'ran you'll know that Allah is not the same God that inspired the Bible.

 

[oneisgod]

If you would like to jump straight into the interesting bits, please begin at the second post down

The True Origin of 'Allah': The Archaeological Record Speaks

The Name of God in the Bible

The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as "The Self-Existent One", being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning "to exist". As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible.

What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of any deity outside the Bible.

There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worhipped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name "Yahweh" was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged unquely within the Bible revelation.

It is claimed by Muslims that Allah is the God of the Bible and that he is mentioned in the sacred texts. This is absolutely not true. The name "Allah" does not appear once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YAHWEH (meaning "He (who) is") or as a contraction, YAH. [Please note that the name "Jehovah" is not a biblical name of God but was especially 'created' by Jews afraid to pronounce the Sacred Name by combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels from adonai, meaning "Lord"].

The word alah does exist in Hebrew but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. It has three principal meanings: (a) to curse, swear, or adjure; (b) to lament (weep); and (c) to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc.. It is an indisputable fact that ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no word 'alah' or 'allah' in the Greek New Testament at all. It was, quite simply, unknown in the Bible world. To therefore claim that 'Allah' was the name of God in the Bible is without one single shred of evidence. God has always been known as Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah.

Muslim scholars have gone to great lengths to try and prove that the Arabic "Allah" is, in fact, the same as the Hebrew "Eloah", which is not a proper name and simply translates as "God". The words "El" and "Elohim" also translate the same way, appear far more numerously than Eloah, and may be used to designate either the true God, pagan deities, idols, or even human judges. It is for this reason that I have heard Muslim apologists get annoyed when other Muslins talk about "God" instead of "Allah" because the word "God" can be applied to any religion's god. They recognise that Allah is a proper name which distinguishes the God of the Muslims from the God of the Jews and Christians, or the gods of the Hindus and others. "Eloah" is, in any case, a derivative of "El" and its plural "Elohim" which doesn't remotely sound like "Allah". You will not find many (if any) Muslims insisting that they worship the Hebrew Eloah - the only time they ever try to make a connection is when trying to recruit Jews and Christians to Islam. If I were confess that "Eloah" were my God and that Mohammed was his prophet I doubt any Muslim would believe I had converted to Islam!

There is another El-derived word for "God" in the Old Testament which sounds similar to Allah and that is Elah. It is only used by the prophets Ezra, Daniel and once by Jeremiah. It is, again, not a proper name, and actually also means an "oak tree" and was thus also used by pagans as a title for their tree deities, i.e. idols. I doubt somehow that Muslims would wish their Allah to be associated with an idol.

Even if the Muslim scholars were right about "Eloah" (which the evidence strongly repudiates) we would then be faced with the problem that God has two proper names - Yahweh and Eloah/Allah - which contradicts God's own testimony in the Old Testament that He is only known as Yahweh.

The Name Yahweh is enshrined in the Third Commandment:

Thou shalt not take the Name of Yahweh () thy Elohim [God] in vain" (Ex.20:7)

The word "vain" is the Hebrew shoaw, meaning "to rush over, to bring devastation, uselessness, or ruin". In other words, this is THE Sacred Name above all names. This Name is not to be blasphemed (Lev.24:16) or desicrated. It is to be treated with reverential awe because it is the essence of the True God Himself.ove). The Bible teaches from cover to cover that the true Name of God, Yahweh, is essential to salvation. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used througout. Yahweh is the creator "who made the earth and the heavens" (Gen.2:4).God's true Name was even preserved in the Name of the Messiah because it is YAH / Yahweh - who saves. The Name of "Jesus" was "YAHWEH SAVES". The Scriptures are therefore consistent not only in preserving the true Name of God, Yahweh, throughout, but in placing the Sacred Name in the Messiah as well. This is no accident of immense prophetic significance. There are now millions of believers who now no longer use the name "Jehovah" and who use the correct name

What has this to do with our discussion of Allah? The reason I have spent so much time underscoring the Biblical Name of God is to show clearly and finally that it has been known as Yahweh since the beginning of time. And whilst there are certain superficial similarities in sound to the Arabic "Allah" the meaning and historical origin is quite, quite different.

Your reserach show quite clearly the Islam does not worship the God of Moses but some other God (Allah) which in view of your notes must be a false god!

 

[dattaswami]

God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God.

If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.

Such God desired to create this Universe for entertainment. The very desire itself is the Creation. In view of God this present materialized universe in only an idea or imagination or the very desire itself. Therefore, the desire to create the world is itself the desire and also the created world itself is a desire. Thus the creation, maintenance and dissolution of the imaginary world are also imaginations or desires. A part of this infinite creation is the individual soul. The soul is like a drop of the infinite ocean of imagination or desire of God. Thus, quantitatively the entire ocean of imagination of God is very huge compared to the tiny soul.

Remember that both the Universe and the tiny soul are made of the same substance called as imagination or desire. Thus the force of the Universe is far greater than the force of the soul. Due to such huge quantitative difference of the same phase, the Universe, which is far stronger than the soul appears as a materialized entity for the soul. But this infinite ocean of desire, which is the infinite Universe is a tiny drop compared to the infinite force of God. Therefore, again due to the same quantitative difference of force the entire universe is just the very weak imagination from the view of God. Thus imagination and materialization exist simultaneously true from the point of God and soul.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

"Gabriel Ali" Yes, you are correct as far as a direct translation of the word goes, but English-speaking Muslims almost never refer to 'Allah' as God when speaking in English. They do this to differentiate the Jeudo/Christian concept of God from their view of what God is. It is Muslims themselves who within their own culture have changed the popular meaning of the word 'Allah'. If you read Islamic scripture you will see that 'Allah' is not YHWH or the Father by any means. The Christian concept of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spririt is repulsive and blasthemous to a Muslim, just like the concept of 'Allah' disgusts me and many other Christians. Of course if I was born a Christian in Arabia i may see the word in a different light but as I am no longer a Muslim and I speak primarily in English, I can safely say that I agree with theRealSuperman:

Muhammad sure has mislead alot of people through time.I remember reading in the quran when I came across the word trinity.I was stunned to see it in the quran when the word trinity isnt found in the bible.At that time it appeared the word trinity was widespread and Muhammed was telling people they shouldnt speak that word.It made me think he was preaching his doctrins to christians and attempting to have them follow him.

 

[Captain Sarcastic]

Thanks for sharing these teachings, Gabriel. I learned a bit more about the difference between Christianity and Islam.

 

[kenan]

Allah is the word used for "the god/God" in Arabic: Christian Arabs also use it just as we use God and Lord and different people with different languages use their own words (eg Gott in German) to name God. That is the true origin of the word Allah.

Also, just my on the matter, I'm a convert from Islam (in the religious sense, not in the sense of the word which means "submission to God" in Arabic) to Christianity, and personally I think that there is some credibility in the teachings of Muhammad and in the Qur'an. The reason why I think this is because the Bible and the Qur'an both have very similar 'stories' told within them, and because the teachings of the various prophets of Judaism and Christianity are similar to those of Muhammad. Hovever, just like all other texts, including the Bible, the Qur'an has become corrupted over the years because on earth it is not safe in the hands of some malevolent human beings.

 

[Gabe]

Allah is the word used for "the god/God" in Arabic: Christian Arabs also use it just as we use God and Lord and different people with different languages use their own words (eg Gott in German) to name God. That is the true origin of the word Allah.

You've completely disregarded all that has been said previously in this thread; current usage is not what is being disputed here. It is a fact that "Allah" was originally a title for a god, just like how "Yahweh" is a title for a god and in the eyes of Christians and Jews its the name for the one and only God.

When Christians or Jews pray, they are not praying to a generic god, they are praying to Yahweh in particular, who to them just so happens to be the one and only God. It is the same in Islam. Over time, the Arabic language has evolved much like other languages; what was once used as a title for a particular god is now used as the word for God.

The word "Pug-wan" in Hindi, is translated as "God", following your logic, this would make Vishnu or Lord Krishna the same gods as the one found in the Holy Bible or the Quran.

I could go into further detail as to why its ridiculous for a non-Muslim to blindly state that the Christian & Muslim gods are one in the same, but then I would only be rehashing my previous posts.

Also, just my on the matter, I'm a convert from Islam (in the religious sense, not in the sense of the word which means "submission to God" in Arabic) to Christianity, and personally I think that there is some credibility in the teachings of Muhammad and in the Qur'an. The reason why I think this is because the Bible and the Qur'an both have very similar 'stories' told within them, and because the teachings of the various prophets of Judaism and Christianity are similar to those of Muhammad. Hovever, just like all other texts, including the Bible, the Qur'an has become corrupted over the years because on earth it is not safe in the hands of some malevolent human beings.

There are certain similarities to be found in Buddhist and Hindu text but this does not give them any more credibility to a practising Muslim or Christian. Also, unless you follow that particular faith, you need to look at it from a non-religious and historical point-of-view (which you are clearly not) Also, Christianity and Islam are incompatible; Muslims themselves cannot reconcile the differences found within both scriptures, and for a Christian to accept Islamic scripture would mean that they are no longer Christian, but Muslim.

The Holy Bible was completed about half a millennium before the Quran. From a secular perspective, the stories found within the Quran hold no historical value, while those found in the Old and New Testament do.

Also, Historians are agreed that the Bible stories found within the Quran differ so much, because Mohammad was illiterate, thus his knowledge of the Jewish and Christian scriptures were from second-hand sources. For example; Mohammad assumed that the Trinity consisted of “the Father (God), the Mother (Virgin Mary) and the Son (Jesus)†he thought this due to at that time there being a small heretical sect who also taught this doctrine. Mohammad incorrectly assumed that this was common Biblical teaching.

 

[Adullam]

Allah is the word used for "the god/God" in Arabic: Christian Arabs also use it just as we use God and Lord and different people with different languages use their own words (eg Gott in German) to name God. That is the true origin of the word Allah.

Also, just my on the matter, I'm a convert from Islam (in the religious sense, not in the sense of the word which means "submission to God" in Arabic) to Christianity, and personally I think that there is some credibility in the teachings of Muhammad and in the Qur'an. The reason why I think this is because the Bible and the Qur'an both have very similar 'stories' told within them, and because the teachings of the various prophets of Judaism and Christianity are similar to those of Muhammad. Hovever, just like all other texts, including the Bible, the Qur'an has become corrupted over the years because on earth it is not safe in the hands of some malevolent human beings.

This is true. I find that most Christians are attacking windmills where it comes to trying to counter Islam. They are in left field about what Islam is and why God has allowed this religion to flourish AFTER Christianity.

I believe that Islam is a judgment from God on the lack of righteousness in the church that is called by His name. The church promotes a godliness without power, for the most part. It preaches a gospel that frustrates both grace and righteousness.

The solution; The church should return to her first love and BE the light in the world. Muslims must be blinded by God's truth in order to see the way. Carnal means will never work.

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John

 

[Gabe]

Allah is the word used for "the god/God" in Arabic: Christian Arabs also use it just as we use God and Lord and different people with different languages use their own words (eg Gott in German) to name God. That is the true origin of the word Allah.

Also, just my on the matter, I'm a convert from Islam (in the religious sense, not in the sense of the word which means "submission to God" in Arabic) to Christianity, and personally I think that there is some credibility in the teachings of Muhammad and in the Qur'an. The reason why I think this is because the Bible and the Qur'an both have very similar 'stories' told within them, and because the teachings of the various prophets of Judaism and Christianity are similar to those of Muhammad. Hovever, just like all other texts, including the Bible, the Qur'an has become corrupted over the years because on earth it is not safe in the hands of some malevolent human beings.

This is true. I find that most Christians are attacking windmills where it comes to trying to counter Islam. They are in left field about what Islam is and why God has allowed this religion to flourish AFTER Christianity.

I believe that Islam is a judgment from God on the lack of righteousness in the church that is called by His name. The church promotes a godliness without power, for the most part. It preaches a gospel that frustrates both grace and righteousness.

The solution; The church should return to her first love and BE the light in the world. Muslims must be blinded by God's truth in order to see the way. Carnal means will never work.

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John

What is it exactly about Kenan's post, that you agree with? The fact that he considers both the Bible and the Quran to be corrupt or the fact that he considers both the Bible and the Quran to contain some truth?

Your reply seems to have very little in relation to his post, or this topic.