THE TRUE ORIGIN OF "ALLAH"

[Rocksolid]

If I were to claim that "Muslims are polytheists and that they are consciously lying when they claim to be monotheists" I would not then deny this in my very next post.

You said "the 'one god' claim is what is used to proselytize Christians and Jews." That one statement alone implies that Islam is polytheistic and that Mohammedans are lying for the purpose of converting monotheists. Then you add, "When Muslims come to this board and twist their own scripture to make it more palatable for the Christians I tackle their lies head-on." That confirms what was previously implied about Islam being polytheist and Mohammedans lying about it. I'm relieved that you don't believe that Islam is polytheistic, but much of what you've said seems to amount to claiming that they are polytheistic.

The Mohammedans believe that word Allah is related to Elohim and that Allah is the God of Abraham. They may be mistaken, but I don't see how that makes a difference. The Qur-an was written by someone who wanted to start his own Bible spin-off religion. He was not trying to start a new moon-god cult.

LOL. I've been called many things; bigot, Islamophobe, racist (ridiculous considering my race) but never anti-Semitic. If you think I'm going to answer your question (a question originally claimed to be asked "Just out of curiosity") when I know next-to-nothing about the subject, you are wrong and accusing me of anti-Semitism is not going to change that.

Islamophobe=antisemite because Islam is semitic. But, I'm not calling your an Islamophobe (a silly term).

I asked about the god of the Talmud. I ask because I want you to shed some light on your reasoning about what makes a god the God of Abraham. Is the god of the Talmud the God of Abraham? If it is, is it for any other reason than it claims to be? If the reason is that it claims to be, why is that reason not good enough for the Qur-an?

I have no reason to doubt you're a generally honest person, but I do not find it credible that you do not have enough knowledge of the Talmud to comment on it, even on this most basic issue - all the more so given the special interest you've shown on the subject . I expected you not to answer because I suspect that your attacks on Islam is just about bashing for the sake of bashing. You stomp you feet and say the origin of the Allah is important, but you give us no reason to believe it's important other than your own judgement which begs the question of your objectivity. As such, your point is being lost on me.

 

[Gabe]

You said "the 'one god' claim is what is used to proselytize Christians and Jews." That one statement alone implies that Islam is polytheistic and that Mohammedans are lying for the purpose of converting monotheists. Then you add, "When Muslims come to this board and twist their own scripture to make it more palatable for the Christians I tackle their lies head-on." That confirms what was previously implied about Islam being polytheist and Mohammedans lying about it. I'm relieved that you don't believe that Islam is polytheistic, but much of what you've said seems to amount to claiming that they are polytheistic.

I was making a comparison. When Muslims try to push a Westernised (and false) Islam I correct them, this is no different from when people (in my opinion) wrongly assume that all gods are one because we all refer to them as “Godâ€Â. In the end I think this is something we'll have to agree to disagree on. Maybe I chose my words incorrectly, but Muslims being polytheists was not something I ever intended to imply. If I believed that, then it would be something that I would most certainly “stomp my feet†about and not deny.

The Mohammedans believe that word Allah is related to Elohim and that Allah is the God of Abraham. They may be mistaken, but I don't see how that makes a difference. The Qur-an was written by someone who wanted to start his own Bible spin-off religion. He was not trying to start a new moon-god cult.

I agree that Muslims believe Allah is the God of Abraham, but I disagree about Mohammad's intentions. Mohammad was not after followers, he was after power. Islam was simply a means to an end, hence the political and militant nature of Islam.

Islamophobe=antisemite because Islam is semitic. But, I'm not calling your an Islamophobe (a silly term).

I realise that technically its the same, but this is not how the term is generally applied and being someone who has never been accused of that before, it took me by surprise. I would also like to add that I do not consider myself to be an Islamophobe. When discussing anything Islamic I try my best to separate Islam (the faith) Muslims (who adhere to that faith) nominal Muslims (who are only Islamic by name or culture) and everyone in between. I do not think that a dislike of the Islamic faith and its laws constitute an Islamophobe.

I asked about the god of the Talmud. I ask because I want you to shed some light on your reasoning about what makes a god the God of Abraham. Is the god of the Talmud the God of Abraham? If it is, is it for any other reason than it claims to be? If the reason is that it claims to be, why is that reason not good enough for the Qur-an?

Fair enough. I have not read the Talmud but I will answer regardless. The Talmud is Jewish so I would assume that its writings are inspired by the Old Testament so their God is Yahweh but I do not see the relevance. I'm aware that the Quran was Inspired by biblical writing, this fact is impossible to miss due to the Old Testament Prophets and Jesus Christ Himself being found within its pages. My whole argument is that "Allah" (which is not only the generic term for "God" in Arabic, but also the personal name of the Islamic deity) began life as a pagan idol worshipped by Mohammad and his tribe, an idol which Mohammad then claimed was also the same god found within the Holy Bible. Yahweh was never a pagan idol (even if He were, it would not be the same one) and His name is unique to Judaism and Christianity, so no matter what the Quran claims, Allah is not Yahweh.

 

[Rocksolid]

I was making a comparison. When Muslims try to push a Westernised (and false) Islam I correct them,

I'm not sure of what you mean by westernised. But, backing up:

The conclusion of the article you posted includes "The fact that the Muslims worship only one god - are monotheists - does not prove that the god they worship is the True God." What should be addressed is their claim that they worship the God of Abraham. The origin of the name of Allah seems to be a rather pointless attack on Islam. It doesn't matter where a word came from, it only matters what it means now. BTW, I doubt it's a coincidence that in Hebrew God is Elah and in Arabic, a semitic sister language with Hebrew, God is Allah. The different vowels are meaningless. The early language didn't even have written vowels.

Fair enough. I have not read the Talmud but I will answer regardless. The Talmud is Jewish so I would assume that its writings are inspired by the Old Testament so their God is Yahweh but I do not see the relevance.

One cannot read the Qur'an without noticing its similarity to the Old Testament. On top of that similarity is the Qur'an's own claim to be a continuation of the Old Testament. The Qur'an is inspired by the Old Testament. One difference between the Qur'an and the Talmud is that the Qur-an was written for an Arabic audience and the Talmud was written to a Jewish audience. Allah, "the God" and creator, was the natural choice for the Arabic version of God.

I don't see how you can say the Talmudist's God is Abraham's God while the Mohammedans God is not, especially if your decision is based on having Old Testament roots. They both do.

Another issue you have is that "Allah" shouldn't be used as a proper name. But, Christians assign various names to God, as well, The Qur'an also has other names for God. So, in Islam, "Allah" is not "the name" of God. It's "a name". When a Mohammedan declares that God's name is Allah, here's merely saying that other gods are false and his is real.

If I followed Islam, I would dismiss the pagan use of the name Allah as a result of popular ignorance, ignorance that Mohammad saved us from. Yahweh isn't disqualified from being God just because Jehovah Witnesses abuse the name.

 

[Love25]

The answer to all this very easy!

Pagan Arabs were SHARERS it means they knew that ALLAH (swt) as they followed the religion of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) who we call father of all prophets, and by time they made SHARERS and each tribe put in Qabaa their own god beside Allah (swt) they even reached more then 360 gods!

So in those times in meccae lives people who beleived in one God ALLAH (swt), Christians, Jews, Pagans etc....

So Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) were send to us to make us return to the religion that all prophets called for and that there is ONLY ONE GOD and Nothing beside HIM!

So Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) changed their faith from moon god, sun god etc..... to the GOD who CREATED the MOON and SUN etc.....

And by the way symbol of moon on Mosques were made by Turks and it is nothing but symbol that this or that building in Mosque!

And by the way Christian Arabs call God by name of ALLAH (swt) aslo!!!

May ALLAH (swt) guide us all!

Peace

 

[Free]

BTW: Who inspired the Talmud, the God of Abraham or the god of Mohammad?

Who says they're even inspired?

On top of that similarity is the Qur'an's own claim to be a continuation of the Old Testament.

Which it obviously isn't.

The Qur'an is inspired by the Old Testament.

I don't think "inspired" is the right word.

 

[Sanitarium]

The answer to all this very easy!

Pagan Arabs were SHARERS it means they knew that ALLAH (swt) as they followed the religion of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) who we call father of all prophets, and by time they made SHARERS and each tribe put in Qabaa their own god beside Allah (swt) they even reached more then 360 gods!

365 idols.

So Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) were send to us to make us return to the religion that all prophets called for and that there is ONLY ONE GOD and Nothing beside HIM!

No, when the being came to Muhammad in the cave, where Muhammad was praying to the Moon God (and fasting), he commanded (to Muhammad) "recite in the name of your lord. The being never identified itself, or it's lord. So, Muhammad interpreted that as his own lord (which was the god of the moon). Muhammad and Khadija were actually pagan monotheists (in that they chose ONE of the 365 idols to worship). Muhammad ran home to Khadija after the encounter and told her what happened. She took him to visit her cousin Waraqa. HE was the one who told Muhammad and Khadija that the being was the "Angel Jibriel" (Gabriel).

So, long story short, Muhammad BROKE all the idols in the Ka'ba, save the one that represented the Moon God, and elevated it it to Al Ilah (The God) as it was no longer 'one of many'.

The Black stone of the Ka'ba, which is the representation of the moon god (the idol) is still at the Ka'ba in which it was previously housed. Allah was kidnapped some years ago, but when he was recovered he was in 11 pieces (broken!) so he is now lodged in the wall of the ka'ba. Muslims on Hajj still kiss and fondle this idol, as Muhammad did in his day:

 

[Love25]

365 idols

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dont make any problem to me!

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No, when the being came to Muhammad in the cave, where Muhammad was praying to the Moon God (and fasting),

You are asking what he where doing in cave or you assume or WISH that, and what is you source!?

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he commanded (to Muhammad) "recite in the name of your lord. The being never identified itself, or it's lord. So, Muhammad interpreted that as his own lord (which was the god of the moon). Muhammad and Khadija were actually pagan monotheists (in that they chose ONE of the 365 idols to worship). Muhammad ran home to Khadija after the encounter and told her what happened. She took him to visit her cousin Waraqa. HE was the one who told Muhammad and Khadija that the being was the "Angel Jibriel" (Gabriel).

First again MOON GOD thing this is your WISH or DESIRE as you dont have source for such claim!

Same applies that Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) had one of those idiols which is not the case of Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) before Islam and you could return and read about that!

Gabriel as you said came to prophet Mohamed (pbuh) as messanger from God or you wanted that Gabriel give Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) is busniness card before he come to him in the cave!?

The sceinario or what happened or what Happened is God's decisions and for sure not as you or me want or wish!

But for sure he came to Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) by the Name of HIS Creator, and remember that prophet Mohamed (pbuh) were prepared to recieve great message to ALL Man Kind by the name of ALLAH (swt) the Creator of everything inlcuded the moon!

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So, long story short, Muhammad BROKE all the idols in the Ka'ba, save the one that represented the Moon God, and elevated it it to Al Ilah (The God) as it was no longer 'one of many'.

Really the one who represented the moon God!? lol

If prophet Mohamed (pbuh) followed moon God as you say then we no one informaed about it!?

This Black stone there since Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and no one worship it unless this is your WISH to say so about Muslims!

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And if Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) didnt Kiss it we would not kiss this Rock as Omar Ibn el Khatab the companion of Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said, all what we do during Hajj and Omra is following foot steps of Prophet Mohamed (pbuh), Abraham (pbuh), etc... as SIGN of our obediance and as kind of pray to ALLAH (swt), in Islam we cannot even pray or ask anything from prophet Mohamed (pbuh) so figues it out by yourself about Rock!?

Peace

 

[Sanitarium]

But for sure he came to Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) by the Name of HIS Creator, and remember that prophet Mohamed (pbuh) were prepared to recieve great message to ALL Man Kind by the name of ALLAH (swt) the Creator of everything inlcuded the moon!

Eh? That's not what the evidence shows. Here is my source (as asked for above too):

Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.

The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones."

Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while.

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari while talking about the period of pause in revelation reporting the speech of the Prophet "While I was walking, all of a sudden I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up and saw the same angel who had visited me at the cave of Hira' sitting on a chair between the sky and the earth. I got afraid of him and came back home and said, 'Wrap me (in blankets).' And then Allah revealed the following Holy Verses (of Quran):

'O you (i.e. Muhammad)! wrapped up in garments!' Arise and warn (the people against Allah's Punishment),... up to 'and desert the idols.' (74.1-5) After this the revelation started coming strongly, frequently and regularly."

This is mutawatir (corroborated) but I will only quote one due to the length.

If prophet Mohamed (pbuh) followed moon God as you say then we no one informaed about it!?

This Black stone there since Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and no one worship it unless this is your WISH to say so about Muslims!

You are, but you discard it because it is general history and not "islamic history". It is fact that there were many idol houses (like the ka'bah) all over Arabia, with such idols as the black stone, but you do not accept it.

No, the black stone is a pagan idol and was not around when Ibrahim was.

And if Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) didnt Kiss it we would not kiss this Rock as Omar Ibn el Khatab the companion of Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said, all what we do during Hajj and Omra is following foot steps of Prophet Mohamed (pbuh), Abraham (pbuh), etc... as SIGN of our obediance and as kind of pray to ALLAH (swt), in Islam we cannot even pray or ask anything from prophet Mohamed (pbuh) so figues it out by yourself about Rock!?

Yes but that's my point - Muhammad did it because it was the earthly representation of his chosen (moon) god. You copy him and you do not understand why!

 

[Love25]

But for sure he came to Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) by the Name of HIS Creator, and remember that prophet Mohamed (pbuh) were prepared to recieve great message to ALL Man Kind by the name of ALLAH (swt) the Creator of everything inlcuded the moon!

Eh? That's not what the evidence shows. Here is my source (as asked for above too):

Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.

The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones."

Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while.

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari while talking about the period of pause in revelation reporting the speech of the Prophet "While I was walking, all of a sudden I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up and saw the same angel who had visited me at the cave of Hira' sitting on a chair between the sky and the earth. I got afraid of him and came back home and said, 'Wrap me (in blankets).' And then Allah revealed the following Holy Verses (of Quran):

'O you (i.e. Muhammad)! wrapped up in garments!' Arise and warn (the people against Allah's Punishment),... up to 'and desert the idols.' (74.1-5) After this the revelation started coming strongly, frequently and regularly."

This is mutawatir (corroborated) but I will only quote one due to the length.

If prophet Mohamed (pbuh) followed moon God as you say then we no one informaed about it!?

This Black stone there since Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and no one worship it unless this is your WISH to say so about Muslims!

You are, but you discard it because it is general history and not "islamic history". It is fact that there were many idol houses (like the ka'bah) all over Arabia, with such idols as the black stone, but you do not accept it.

No, the black stone is a pagan idol and was not around when Ibrahim was.

And if Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) didnt Kiss it we would not kiss this Rock as Omar Ibn el Khatab the companion of Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said, all what we do during Hajj and Omra is following foot steps of Prophet Mohamed (pbuh), Abraham (pbuh), etc... as SIGN of our obediance and as kind of pray to ALLAH (swt), in Islam we cannot even pray or ask anything from prophet Mohamed (pbuh) so figues it out by yourself about Rock!?

Yes but that's my point - Muhammad did it because it was the earthly representation of his chosen (moon) god. You copy him and you do not understand why!

You brought Hadith and actualy I didnt see any moon God in the story!?

You will not find Muslim on earth who worship Moon or Black stone etc....

First the Black stone is not from earth, I details we can talk about it in another thread!

second I already answered your question about understanding what we copy, all what we do during Hajj is kind of PRAYER, and by the way Kissing Black stone is not obligation it is sunnah and it is also used as marker from were we begin our PRAYER by going arround the Qabaa 07 rounds where we pray and Worship only to ALLAH (swt)!

When I were in Hajj I couldnt reach the black stone becuase of huge crowds and this didnt make any problem of any kind!

Actualy there were Arab prince who took the Black stone to Bahrain as far as I remember for 70 years and nothing changed as people still go to Hajj and Omra during those 70 years!!

Back to the subject of this Thread, It is not recorded anywhere that prophet Mohamed (pbuh) worshiped Moon God!!

and for sure he never called for any Moon God which is very strange becuase it is same like if you are christian and beleive in Jesus to be God while you dont say this to anyone and call people to beleive in Buddah, logic!?

Peace


Peace

 

[Lamech]

YAHUWA < Aramic >
Genesis R.T. ; 2 ; 2 , 4- 6 , ; 3 ; 8 - 9 ; 4 ; 1 , 3 ; 6 ; 3 , 5 ; K.J. ; 2 ; 4 - 5 , ; 3 ; 1 , 8 - 9 , ; 28 ; 13 ; 29 ; 32 , ; 39 ; 5
In Aramic ( Hebrew ) the word YAHUWA < Aramic > translates As '' He Who Is Who He Is .
YAHUWA < Aramic > can be used for an Agreeable , '' YAH '' , Or Disagreeable , '' WEH '' , Being , . The word YAHUWA < Aramic > is a title . This title does not pertain to any Individual . It can be pass on to another Being ; Even a mortal can be a YAHUWA < Aramic>

and more than one is in Malachi Chapter 3 Verse 16 , This is the first name called on by ADAM And EVE'S Children . without Vowels . It is YHWH , Which some groups pronounce as YAHWEH And others pronounce as JEHOVAH . In Babylon , it meant '' Yeh '' Good and '' Weh '' Evil .

There were 24 YAHWEH Or Elders Stated in the bible . The Head ELOHEEM Is Called YAHUWA Or YEHWEH , MOSES Went up to the mountain and spoke with YAHUWA In Exodus 19 ; 3 It States '' MOSES WENT UP UNTO GOD ( THE ELOHEEM ) AND THE LORD ( YAHUWA ) CALLED UNTO HIM OUT OF THE MOUNTAIN .... Clearly Making A

Distinction Between ELOHEEM And YAHUWA . Also In Genesis 28 ; 12 - 13 It States '' ... AND BEHOLD THE ANGELS ( MESSENGERS ) AND DESCENDING ON IT , AND BEHOLD THE LORD ( YAHUWA ) STOOD ABOVE IT , AND SAID , I AM THE LORD ( YAHUWA ) GOD ( RLOHEEM ) ... This Quote Is Also Making A Distinction Between The ELOHEEM And YAHUWA The Head Of The ELOHEEM .

ELYOWN EL ELYOWN EL < Aramic >
Genesis R.T. ; 14 ; 18 - 20 , 22
The Word ELYOWN EL ELYOWN EL < Aramic > Mean '' The Highest , The Highest El '' Or Simply '' The Most High '' . This Is When ANU Is Called El
ELYOWN EL ELYOWN EL < Aramic > But Its The Highest El < Aramic > It Was Taken From Cuneiform And Babylonian And Akkadian Into The Language Of Aramic ( Hebrew ) And In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) When It Called AL ALIY Meaning The Most High '' . AL ALIY Is The 36th Attribute . Throughout The Scriptures ( Genesis 14 ; 22 , 20 ) . The ELOHEEM Worshipped ELYOWN ELYOWN EL Who Is ANU .

EL SHAADI < Aramic >
Genesis K.J.V. & R.T.;17 ; 1 , 28 ; 3 , 35 ; 11 , 43 ; 14 , 48 ; 3 , 49 ; 25
The word EL SHAADI < Aramic > Mean '' The Almighty '' . He is one of the ELOHEEM , A YAHUWA Whose name is MATATRUN Meaning '' The Disputer '' . MATATRUN Is The 11th Of The 24 Elders , DINNER , Meaning '' Righteous Ones Of The Rocket Ship , '' In greek the word for ALMIGHTY , Is PANTOKRATOR Meaning '' All - Powerful '' As found in

2Corinthians 6 ; 18 , Revelation 1 ; 8 , 4 ; 8 , 11 ; 17 ; 15 ; 3 ; 16 ; 7 , 14 ; 19 ; 6 , 15 ; 21 ; 22 . PANTOKRATOR Comes from the greek words Pas Meaning '' All , Any , Every , The Whole '' ; And KRATOS Meaning '' Dominnion , Mighty , Power , Strength '' . EL SHAADI Was also A title used for Tammuz , The Son Of ISHTAR And DUMMUZI , EL SHAADI In Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Is EL SHADIYD Koran 13 ; 13 , 40 ; 22 , 53 ; 5 , 8 ; 52 ) . He TAMMUZ Was A Disagreeable SHAD Meaning '' Demon '' ,

Who was converted into an Agreeable ELOHEEM By The ELOHEEM NERGAL , TAMMUZ Was assigned to the Planet Earth to oversee The ENOSITES After their transgression in The Garden . In The Old Testament The Word ALMIGHTY - EL SHAADI Is Also Found In
( Ruth 1 ; 20 - 21 ; Job 5 ; 17 ; 6 ; 4 , 14 ; 8; 3 , 5 ; 11 ; 7 ; 13 ; 3 ; 15 ; 25 ; 21 ; 15 , 20 ; 22 ; 3 , 17 , 23 , 25 , 26 ) .

ELOH < Aramic >
Genesis R.T. ; 15 ; 1 , 10 ; 19 ; 24 ; 24 ; 7 . 27 , 48 ; 31 ; 53 ; 43 ; 7 ..
The word ELOH Means '' These Beings '' An ELOH Is A Singular Or An Individual ELOHEEM , Each Man Is An ELOH . Any ELOHEEM Can Be An ELOH . When The Hebrew Letters Yod ( ' ) And Miym Are Added To ELOH As A Suffix , You Get The Word ELOHEEM Which Is The Plural Form Of ELOH . It Is The Same As The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) .

Word ELAH Or ILAH Which Is Short For ALLAH , The Plural Is ALLAHUMA Meaning '' The Source And Those Being '' . Each ELOHEEM Is An Individual ELOH , And When They Are In A Group They Are ELOHEEM . If They Are Raised To A Supreme Being . They Become EL Not An AL Or EL .

 

[Sanitarium]

Lamech: Please don't copy and paste without giving your source as it is plageurism. What you have posted is an excerpt from a longer Christianity bashing article found in its entirety here (for example).

Word ELAH Or ILAH Which Is Short For ALLAH

No!! ilah means "god". "Allah"means "the god" (al ilah).

And When They Are In A Group They Are ELOHEEM . If They Are Raised To A Supreme Being . They Become EL Not An AL Or EL .

No this is completely false! Al is a definite article. In English it is "The". Please point out my errors in the following translations:

Al Quran - The Quran (or The Recitation)
Al Kitab - The Book
Al ilah - The god
Al Abd - The Slave
Al Bayt - The House

So "al ilah" means the god" and contracted together "Allah" (still The God).

This is because when Muhammad started Islam, he went to the ka'bah and destroyed 364 of the pagan stone idols there and elevated the remaining one (the moon god idol) to Al ilah (The God). So instead of the 'many gods' that were there, there was now only "al ilah" (the god).

 

[Lamech]

Lamech: Please don't copy and paste without giving your source as it is plageurism. What you have posted is an excerpt from a longer Christianity bashing article found in its entirety here (for example).

Word ELAH Or ILAH Which Is Short For ALLAH

No!! ilah means "god". "Allah"means "the god" (al ilah).

And When They Are In A Group They Are ELOHEEM . If They Are Raised To A Supreme Being . They Become EL Not An AL Or EL .

No this is completely false! Al is a definite article. In English it is "The". Please point out my errors in the following translations:

Al Quran - The Quran (or The Recitation)
Al Kitab - The Book
Al ilah - The god
Al Abd - The Slave
Al Bayt - The House

So "al ilah" means the god" and contracted together "Allah" (still The God).

This is because when Muhammad started Islam, he went to the ka'bah and destroyed 364 of the pagan stone idols there and elevated the remaining one (the moon god idol) to Al ilah (The God). So instead of the 'many gods' that were there, there was now only "al ilah" (the god).

First I know the the brother who posted that and I gave it to him . And I stand by what I post just because you disagree doesn't make it wrong . I'm not saying I know the Arabic language that well yet but I'm studying it , And my understand from talking to some Muslims , Muslims shouldn't be calling Allahu Subhaanahu Wa Ta'ala , God , Just like some Christian shouldn't be calling Jesus / Jesus his name is Yashu'a . Are You Muslims , By The Way I'm not coming from any one scholl of though

 

[Sanitarium]

First I know the the brother who posted that and I gave it to him .

This is what you say, but unfortunately it is only your word at this time. Secondly It is STILL plageurism which is a violation of the TOS of this site.

And I stand by what I post just because you disagree doesn't make it wrong .

LOL No, it makes you wrong when I provide evidence to back up my claims. Why don't you try refuting that instead of attacking me.

I'm not saying I know the Arabic language that well yet but I'm studying it

Well then perhaps you should (for now) leave it to those who have some understanding in this area. Seriously, Al means "The" it doesn't mean anything else - actually I once had a Muslim tell me it only meant that you capitalize the word LOL. Of course they were wrong too.

Now, you say that article is yours (fine), but you then admit you don't know Arabic. How then do you feel about writing definitively about root words and origins of Arabic words and phrases if you don't know what you are (really) talking about?

, And my understand from talking to some Muslims ,

There is your problem right there. Most Muslims do not speak Arabic, or they may speak just enough (ie. the key words/phrases/prayers) to be able to practice their religion.You may want to confirm they are a fluent speaker before trusting what they say, although I'm sure their intentions are good (ie. to help you) they may not be correct.

Are You Muslims , By The Way I'm not coming from any one scholl of though

No, I'm an Atheist ex-Christian.

 

[Lamech]

First I know the the brother who posted that and I gave it to him .

This is what you say, but unfortunately it is only your word at this time. Secondly It is STILL plageurism which is a violation of the TOS of this site.

And I stand by what I post just because you disagree doesn't make it wrong .

LOL No, it makes you wrong when I provide evidence to back up my claims. Why don't you try refuting that instead of attacking me.

I'm not saying I know the Arabic language that well yet but I'm studying it

Well then perhaps you should (for now) leave it to those who have some understanding in this area. Seriously, Al means "The" it doesn't mean anything else - actually I once had a Muslim tell me it only meant that you capitalize the word LOL. Of course they were wrong too.

Now, you say that article is yours (fine), but you then admit you don't know Arabic. How then do you feel about writing definitively about root words and origins of Arabic words and phrases if you don't know what you are (really) talking about?

, And my understand from talking to some Muslims ,

There is your problem right there. Most Muslims do not speak Arabic, or they may speak just enough (ie. the key words/phrases/prayers) to be able to practice their religion.You may want to confirm they are a fluent speaker before trusting what they say, although I'm sure their intentions are good (ie. to help you) they may not be correct.

Are You Muslims , By The Way I'm not coming from any one scholl of though

No, I'm an Atheist ex-Christian.

Why waste time when all your doing is playing game I'm smarter than you are like most of your post CYAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Sanitarium]

Why waste time when all your doing is playing game I'm smarter than you are like most of your post CYAAAAAAAAAAAA

What? I never said I was smarter than you, but in this instance you are incorrect regarding the Arabic assertations given in your copy/paste. Simple as that.

 

[Rick W]

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