The Woman and the 144K

[Shilohsfoal]

Rev 14;4
These are they which were not defiled with women;for they are virgins,These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.These were redeemed fromn among men,being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

I used to ask myself how they followed the Lamb withersoever he goeth.After I had realized Jesus was speaking directly to them in the gospels ,it explained how.It is written that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecyand even thou it may appear Jesus was speaking to his apostles 2000 years ago about things in thier lifetime,he is heard by these 144,000 .The things they witness with thier own eyes are the things Jesus preached .

Mathew 10;23
But when they persecute you in this city,flee ye into another;for verily I say unto you,Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel,till the Son of man be come.

Its no wonder how they can follow the Lamb witherso he goeth.Jesus is speaking dirrectly to them.
So next time you ever want to think the world revolves around you,as I have ,then think again.You might be better off looking at things in another perspective.Then you might see things more clearly.

And please dont take the last verse out of context as many people do.Jesus was speaking about the cities of Israel.Not the US and not Russia.They will be persecuted in the cities of Israel.

 

[Sinthesis]

ps

Rev17;10-11
And there are seven kings;five are fallen, and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eighth ,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

The seven kings that have reigned over Israel
Five that were fallen.
Egypt,Assyrian,Babylon,Persia,and Macedonia.
One that was at the time John wrote this-
Rome.
Then came the Dispora
The one who would come and continue a short space,who the people of Israel were gatherd under-
Great britian.
The eighth is that kingdom( which is of the seven)that once was,then was not when John wrote this,but now is again today.
The kingdom that calls itself by the name of Israel.


As i said.All of the things written about the beast can be found in a fifth grade Israel history book.
The book of Revelation is written so that the 144,000 can undersnd it.They would have been taught these things in elementary school.

A pretty neat interpretation; but wrong.

The problem is that Great Britain is (was in 1947) a Christian nation. As such it can not be grouped with your pagan first six, nor your Jewish eighth, as part of the beast and one destined for perdition.

Also, if 144K can understand "it", then that is only 1:50,000 of the world population, or only 1:40 of the Jewish Israeli population. Either way "it" is clearly not easy to understand, as is demonstrated repeatedly on this forum. :rolling

 

[Shilohsfoal]

ps

Rev17;10-11
And there are seven kings;five are fallen, and one is,and the other is not yet come;and when he cometh,he must continue a short space.And the beast that was,and is not,even he is the eighth ,and is of the seven,and goeth into perdition.

The seven kings that have reigned over Israel
Five that were fallen.
Egypt,Assyrian,Babylon,Persia,and Macedonia.
One that was at the time John wrote this-
Rome.
Then came the Dispora
The one who would come and continue a short space,who the people of Israel were gatherd under-
Great britian.
The eighth is that kingdom( which is of the seven)that once was,then was not when John wrote this,but now is again today.
The kingdom that calls itself by the name of Israel.


As i said.All of the things written about the beast can be found in a fifth grade Israel history book.
The book of Revelation is written so that the 144,000 can undersnd it.They would have been taught these things in elementary school.

A pretty neat interpretation; but wrong.

The problem is that Great Britain is (was in 1947) a Christian nation. As such it can not be grouped with your pagan first six, nor your Jewish eighth, as part of the beast and one destined for perdition.

Also, if 144K can understand "it", then that is only 1:50,000 of the world population, or only 1:40 of the Jewish Israeli population. Either way "it" is clearly not easy to understand, as is demonstrated repeatedly on this forum. :rolling

What makes it a christian nation?Is it because it controlled 3/4 of the world at one time?Is it because it let the jews return to Judea like Persia did?
I would also like to know where does it say the seventh cant be a christian nation?As I said.It is very easy to understand the things written about the beast if you know some jewish history.If not then it would be hard to understand.
And by the way,most of the israeli population is antichrist ,if you know what that means.

 

[veteran]

What makes it a christian nation?Is it because it controlled 3/4 of the world at one time?Is it because it let the jews return to Judea like Persia did?
I would also like to know where does it say the seventh cant be a christian nation?As I said.It is very easy to understand the things written about the beast if you know some jewish history.If not then it would be hard to understand.
And by the way,most of the israeli population is antichrist ,if you know what that means.

Well, the early Catholic councils recognized Britain being the first nation to accept Christianity on a national scale, even pre-dating Rome's conversion to Christ. When Augustine went to preach The Gospel in Britain, he already found Christian bishops, and they were a bit taken off by his coming there to push supposed authority over them by a pope in Rome. The early British historian Bede covers some of this history. It's about the early Culdee Church in Britain that goes back to the first century A.D. Apostle Paul mentions in Romans one with a link to part of the British royal family that was captive in Rome in his days, taken earlier when pagan Rome under Caesar finally conquered part of Great Britain. There was a palace in Rome built for them to dwell in for their captivity.

So Britain definitely is not in that list of beast kings John was shown in Rev.17. The sixth beast king was in John's day. The seventh has not appeared on earth yet. The "short time" the seventh beast king is to reign is connected with the coming tribulation, and he is to reign from Jerusalem, not Britain.

There is one consolation with what Shilohsfoal is pointing to with Britain. There is a prophecy for the end of days of how the leaders in the Isles would fall away in the last days similar to how Dan was first to fall away. I won't go into that here. But their falling away won't be any different than the rest of today's Christian nations that also fall away, for all nations will be taken under the control of the beast system and its king.

Yet the people in these nations include many brethren that will not be deceived by the beast. The way I see it, it's the peoples of a nation that actually make up the moral fiber and character of a nation, not smaller groups which God allows to come to power over us. Other peoples outside the U.S. often choose to see the majority of Americans as the "great Satan", when what they're really pointing to is the socialistic/communistic type leadership and controls being pushed over upon us by a much smaller group of internationalists/globalists among us which are aligned with pagan occultism. The majority of Americans did not vote for Obama, and the majority of American peoples that are not deceived are especially spread out in rural areas, not in major cities.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Where in the scripture is the 7th king called a beast?
Chapter and verse please.

The beast is of the seven.Not one of the seven.
The scripture doesnt say the seventh king reigns from Jerusalem . That is a lie.None of the seven kings reigned from Jerusalem.Not one of them.
Only the beast that is there now does and it has seven heads.

If any of those seven kings reigned from Jerusalem ,they would have had seven heads because the heads are the sevens hills of Jerusalem.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Even more history concerning the beast but this history is recent.

Daniel 7;24
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise;and another shall rise after them;and he shall be diverse from the first,and he shall subdue three kings.

The little diverse(different)horn mentioned here is the country we call Israel today.He is diverse from the other horns(countries) around him .His look is more stout than his fellows(dan7;20).He dwells in the pleasant land(Dan 9;9).


The three kings that the little horn subdued were the neighboring states of Egypt,Jordan and Syria ,This was called the 6 day war of June 5-10 1967.


How has Satan blinded the people on this board?
How did the beast confuse you?Is it because he claims his people are the chosen people?Is it because he calls himself Israel that you cant understand who he is?How do you say you can understand the future when you cant understand the present?

 

[veteran]

Where in the scripture is the 7th king called a beast?
Chapter and verse please.

Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
(KJV)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Where in the scripture is the 7th king called a beast?
Chapter and verse please.

Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
(KJV)

Sorry veteran.That is not the sevnth king. The eighth is the beast and the seventh king comes before the eighth.The second beast comes after the first beast.
The verse you quoted even says so.
"He exerciseth all the power of the first beast"


Dont put the cart before the horse.
The beast with seven heads is already in the promised land before the false prophet arrives.


Dan 8;12
And a host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,and it cast down the truth to the ground,and it practiced and prosperd.

That little horn is already there.It is the host that hasnt arrived in Judea yet.
When you see an army enter Judea from the north ,then the second beast has arrived.
That army will make fire come down out of heaven in the sight of men and it is that army that shall give them the mark of the beast.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I think alot of people wont accept the facts given because they have always supported the beast.
Most of the people on this board being citizens of the US and seeing that the US supports the beast with seven heads,they feel its thier duty to support the beast as well.They would rather look the other way than to admit that 95% of the people in the land of Israel are antichrist.They would rather continue supporting the antichrist regime in Israel than to leave it alone.I believe most of the people in the US will support the king of the north/second beast of rev,(USA)sending troops into Judea in an effort to protect the beast.I just cant see how many people here will see the truth seeing they support both the beast and the king of the north.Oh well,maybe someone in Russia will understand because the people in the USA are blinded by thier own self rightousness.
Yea ,go ahead and keep thinking the US goverment is good and the Israeli goverment is good so you will never believe the truth.

 

[Sinthesis]

Oh well,maybe someone in Russia will understand because the people in the USA are blinded by thier own self rightousness.

You're in the USA. :rolling :rolling :rolling
Perhaps your heart resides in Dixie. ing

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Oh well,maybe someone in Russia will understand because the people in the USA are blinded by thier own self rightousness.

You're in the USA. :rolling :rolling :rolling
Perhaps your heart resides in Dixie. ing

:biglol
I wish I was in de land of cotton,
Ole times there are not forgotten.
Look away
Look away
Lokk away
Dixie land.

 

[veteran]

Dan 7:17
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
(KJV)

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
(KJV)

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
(KJV)

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
(KJV)

At some point in study of Revelation, understanding about a beast entity ("another beast") apart from his beast kingdom should come forth. And also that that beast entity is a beast king over a beast kingdom ("first beast" of Rev.13:12). Not only that, but that our Lord Jesus has tied that particular beast entity with Paul's warning of 2 Thess.2:3-4 about the "son of perdition". And then eventually the following verse will become more clear...

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
(KJV)

Apollyon means 'destroyer', and is derived from the Greek word for 'perdition'.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Dan 7:17
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
(KJV)

What you need to pay attention to is that the fouth beast Daniel saw having the seven heads and ten horns is the fourth kingdom upon earth.And that kingdom is a devided kingdom.It is not the entire world but is DEVIDED.

Daniel 7;23
Thus he said,The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,and shall devour the whole earth,and shall tread it down,and break it in pieces.

Its DEVIDED

Daniel 2;41
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes,part of potters clay,and part of iron,the kingdom shall be devided;but there shall be in it of the stregth of the iron,forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.


Do we agree the fourth beast is a devided kingdom and not the entire world or do you claim the fourth beast is the entire world?Now I understand where this is speaking of because I understand when that kingdom was devided and who it was devided too.There is no more one king ruling that kingdom because now there are many ruling that devided kingdom.That kingdom is the same kingdom Nebuchadnezzar ruled.

Daniel 2;37
Thou,O king,art a king of kings;for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,power,and strength,and glory.

God gave Nebuchadnezzar that kingdom but he hasnt given that kingdom to a king to rule it today.Insted that kingdom is a devided kingdom and these have not recieved that kingdom.

Rev 17;;12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,which have recieved no kingdom as yet;but recieve power as kings one hour with the beast.


These gave thier kingdom to the beast.

Rev 17;17
For God hath put it in thier hearts to forfill his will,and to agree,and give thier kingdom unto the beasst,untill the words of God shall be forfilled.

What they gave to the beast was the seven heads.They gave Jerusalem to the beast and he governs it today.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Dan 7:17
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
(KJV)

The four beasts
Babylon
Daniel 7;4
The first was like a lion,and had eagle's wings;I beheld till the wings therof were plucked,and it was lifted up from the earth,and made to stand upon the feet as a man,and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7;5
Persia
And behold another beast,a second,like to a bear,and it raised up itself on one side,and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it;and they said thus unto it,Arise,devour much flesh.
Sassanid,Caliphate,Seljuk and Salidin
Daniel 7;6
After this I beheld,and lo another,like a leopard,which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;the beast had also four heads;and dominion was given to it.
Daniel 7;7
Independent muslim states.
After this I saw in the night visions,and behold a forth beast,dreadful and terrible and strong exeedingly;and it had great iron teeth;it devoured and brake in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it;and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;and it had ten horns.
Daniel 7;8
Israel
I considerd the horns,and behold,there came up amoung them another little horn,before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots;and,behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man,and a mouth speaking great things.

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
You can watch that kingdom being devided if you want.Pay attention around 1920.

 

[veteran]

Dan 7:17
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
(KJV)

The great beasts of Daniel "are four kings". That doesn't need any other explanation.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Dan 7:17
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
(KJV)

The great beasts of Daniel "are four kings". That doesn't need any other explanation.

Daniel 7;23
Thus he said,THE FOURTH BEAST SHALL BE THE FOURTH KINGDOM upon earth,which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,and shall devour the whole earth,and shall tread it down,and break it in pieces.

You saying this needs an interpretation?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

There are alot of peole who worship the beast.Surely they dont want to think badly of it.
There have been many on this board who speak highly of it.
Are you one of those people?

 

[Sinthesis]

Dan 7:17
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
(KJV)

The four beasts
Babylon
Daniel 7;4
The first was like a lion,and had eagle's wings;I beheld till the wings therof were plucked,and it was lifted up from the earth,and made to stand upon the feet as a man,and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7;5
Persia
And behold another beast,a second,like to a bear,and it raised up itself on one side,and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it;and they said thus unto it,Arise,devour much flesh.
Sassanid,Caliphate,Seljuk and Salidin
Daniel 7;6
After this I beheld,and lo another,like a leopard,which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;the beast had also four heads;and dominion was given to it.
Daniel 7;7
Independent muslim states.
After this I saw in the night visions,and behold a forth beast,dreadful and terrible and strong exeedingly;and it had great iron teeth;it devoured and brake in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it;and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;and it had ten horns.
Daniel 7;8
Israel
I considerd the horns,and behold,there came up amoung them another little horn,before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots;and,behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man,and a mouth speaking great things.

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
You can watch that kingdom being devided if you want.Pay attention around 1920.

How are the Independent muslim states diverse from all the beasts that were before it?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

How are the Independent muslim states diverse from all the beasts that were before it?

The scripture says it was diverse from the other beasts before it.
There were discriptions of four beasts.
Does it even resemble the other three beasts at all?


It has seven heads and ten horns plus a little horn that is even diverse from the ten. :eyebrow

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Some people claim the catholics want to go to war with the Lamb of God because they believe these ten kings are catholic.Yet do they even consider the koran tells the muslims to take back the land that was taken from them?I hope the people on this board understand who it is that shall inherit the promised land?

The bible says the seed of Abraham is to be the heir.
The koran tells the muslims to take it back by force.
The catholics dont even claim it nor have I even read anything saying they want it.

Well the bible says the ten horns are ten kings that shall make war with the Lamb.
I say they are muslim kings attempting to take back Palestine just as the koran tells them to.

Rev 17;14
These shall make war with the Lamb,and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Lord of lords,and King of kings;and they that are with him are called,and chosen,and faithful.

Rev 16;12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates,and the water thereof was dried up,that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.


I didnt know the Euphrates was in Rome.