[_ Old Earth _] Theistic Evolution

[Corn Pop]

Some apes have dark skins. Some don't. Some are variable. "Malfunction" really doesn't apply. Mutations can be adaptive, maladaptive, or neutral. That is all. "Malfunction" is anthropomorphism.



More likely, misled by someone who knew no more than you do.

I think everyone,is,mislead to be honest, you know much more about me in science, but that does not make you are not mislead by people who know no more than you do.

You seem like you just believe whatever science tells you because they must know. You follow charts made and put together by man.

Just like anyone can twist biblical scripture to make it say what they want it to say, so does science with its theorys.

Have you eye wintnessed and alalised those fossils yourself?. And not all scientist ever agree.

 

[Barbarian]

I think everyone,is,mislead to be honest, you know much more about me in science, but that does not make you are not mislead by people who know no more than you do.

We are all inferior to everyone else in various ways. However, it's not hard to learn the facts, and understand what they show us.

You seem like you just believe whatever science tells you because they must know.

When, for example, some paleontologist says this particular hominin was bipedal, I can verify or reject the claim by looking at various anatomical features. It's not hard, it you know what to look for.

You follow charts made and put together by man.

It's a better idea, to verify for yourself, but if it's in the literature, peer-review and the consequences for the results being non-reproducible are sufficient to give me confidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, of course.

Just like anyone can twist biblical scripture to make it say what they want it to say, so does science with its theorys.

True enough. So if someone tells you that science and the Bible don't agree, he has misunderstood one or both of them.

Have you eye wintnessed and alalised those fossils yourself?

Some of them. I've handled casts of some of the more significant finds. And of course, I've done field work, verifying a great deal of what science has to say about it.

 

[Cygnus]

True enough. So if someone tells you that science and the Bible don't agree, he has misunderstood one or both of them.

True, science and the bible do agree. The problem is when you try to consider evolutionism science then force fit it to "agree" with the bible.

Adam and Eve disappear. Along with that goes original sin and the results.....basically, the need for Jesus.

 

[Barbarian]

True, science and the bible do agree. The problem is when you try to consider evolutionism science then force fit it to "agree" with the bible.

No need to force anything. If you think evolution and the Bible are at odds, you don't know very much about either of them.

Adam and Eve disappear.

See, if you don't understand evolutionary theory, then you make absurd statements like that. Evolution is about common ancestors. Why not learn a little bit about it? You'd be far more effective fighting science if you knew what it is.

Along with that goes original sin and the results.....basically, the need for Jesus.

If you think science means "you don't need Jesus", you've completely lost your way. What ails you is curable.

 

[Cygnus]

No need to force anything. If you think evolution and the Bible are at odds, you don't know very much about either of them.



See, if you don't understand evolutionary theory, then you make absurd statements like that. Evolution is about common ancestors. Why not learn a little bit about it? You'd be far more effective fighting science if you knew what it is.



If you think science means "you don't need Jesus", you've completely lost your way. What ails you is curable.

Let me see......Adam formed from the dust...Eve from Adams rib. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, doesn't sound much like evolutionism to me.

Why do you insist on forcing the bible to say what it doesn't say? Oh, that's right...you insist on filtering the bible through the flawed views of evolutionism.

I think you ought to learn what the gospel is about.....No fall equals no need for Jesus....evolutionism has no fall. In evolutionism Jesus died for a mutation.....which once again isn't what the bible teaches.

 

[Barbarian]

Let me see......Adam formed from the dust...Eve from Adams rib. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, doesn't sound much like evolutionism to me.

As Christians know, God often uses allegory in His book. As the earth brought forth other animals, so did it bring forth Adam. We differ from the others, only in that God gives us an immortal soul directly, without the agency of nature. And the "flesh of my flesh" is symbolic. God didn't really do a little surgery on Adam and conjure up an extra X chromsome for every cell He removed.

Why do you insist on forcing the bible to say what it doesn't say? Oh, that's right...you don't approve of the way He did things.

I think you ought to learn what the gospel is about. The fall happened, just not the way YE has revised it to be. Adam and Eve were real people, just not the way your additions to His word make them out to be.

Accept it HIs way, and you won't be troubled any longer.

 

[Cygnus]

As Christians know, God often uses allegory in His book. As the earth brought forth other animals, so did it bring forth Adam. We differ from the others, only in that God gives us an immortal soul directly, without the agency of nature. And the "flesh of my flesh" is symbolic. God didn't really do a little surgery on Adam and conjure up an extra X chromsome for every cell He removed.

Why do you insist on forcing the bible to say what it doesn't say? Oh, that's right...you don't approve of the way He did things.

I think you ought to learn what the gospel is about. The fall happened, just not the way YE has revised it to be. Adam and Eve were real people, just not the way your additions to His word make them out to be.

Accept it HIs way, and you won't be troubled any longer.

YE revised nothing. As I said...Paul wouldn't base his instructions to women in the church on an allegory. The fall happened as the bible explains it....your broken theology adds an awful lot between the lines that just isn't there.

 

[turnorburn]

Gods word and evolution are diametrically opposed and never the twain shall meet...

 

[turnorburn]

As Christians know, God often uses allegory in His book. As the earth brought forth other animals, so did it bring forth Adam. We differ from the others, only in that God gives us an immortal soul directly, without the agency of nature. And the "flesh of my flesh" is symbolic. God didn't really do a little surgery on Adam and conjure up an extra X chromsome for every cell He removed.

Why do you insist on forcing the bible to say what it doesn't say? Oh, that's right...you don't approve of the way He did things.

I think you ought to learn what the gospel is about. The fall happened, just not the way YE has revised it to be. Adam and Eve were real people, just not the way your additions to His word make them out to be.

Accept it HIs way, and you won't be troubled any longer.

That's an absolute falsehood no one that knows Jesus believes in evilution..

 

[Barbarian]

That's an absolute falsehood no one that knows Jesus believes in evilution..

If you think so, you don't know much about Christians, or what we believe.

 

[Cygnus]

Gods word and evolution are diametrically opposed and never the twain shall meet...

How true.
If evolutionism is true..and brought about man...then sin and death could not have spread to all via ONE man. Rom 5:12
All the nations couldn't have been made from one man. Acts 17:26
Adam would not have been formed first, and then Eve. 1 Tim 2:13
Man would have come from a woman...1st Cor 11:8
As written in Genesis the first man Adam...would not have become a living being...as Adam would have already been alive. In fact Adams father would have been a man causing Adam NOT to be the first man.

The following linage would have to turn from biblical fact to...allegory...

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Heli,Matthat, Levi, Melki, Jannai, Joseph,Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggai,Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda,Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri,Melki, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er,Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi,Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim,Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Boaz, Salmon, Nahshon,Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, Judah,Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Terah, Nahor,Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Shelah,Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, Noah, Lamech,Methuselah, Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan,Enosh, Seth, Adam, God.

As you said "Gods word and evolution are diametrically opposed and never the twain shall meet..."

 

[Barbarian]

You've merely confused your word with that of God. As Christians know, there is no conflict between God and evolution. How could there be? He made it to do what it does.

Not that you will go to hell for being a creationist. It's not a salvation issue. Many creationists, so long as they don't make an idol of creationism, will be saved along with those who accept evolution as God's creation.

 

[turnorburn]

You've merely confused your word with that of God. As Christians know, there is no conflict between God and evolution. How could there be? He made it to do what it does.

Not that you will go to hell for being a creationist. It's not a salvation issue. Many creationists, so long as they don't make an idol of creationism, will be saved along with those who accept evolution as God's creation.

You act like contradicting everything that God created took eons of time when in Psalms it says he did it in blink by his word..

Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.

8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

If you don't believe that how do you examine yourself to know if you are in the faith?

II Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

 

[turnorburn]

How true.
If evolutionism is true..and brought about man...then sin and death could not have spread to all via ONE man. Rom 5:12
All the nations couldn't have been made from one man. Acts 17:26
Adam would not have been formed first, and then Eve. 1 Tim 2:13
Man would have come from a woman...1st Cor 11:8
As written in Genesis the first man Adam...would not have become a living being...as Adam would have already been alive. In fact Adams father would have been a man causing Adam NOT to be the first man.

The following linage would have to turn from biblical fact to...allegory...

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Heli,Matthat, Levi, Melki, Jannai, Joseph,Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggai,Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda,Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri,Melki, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er,Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi,Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim,Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Boaz, Salmon, Nahshon,Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, Judah,Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Terah, Nahor,Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Shelah,Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, Noah, Lamech,Methuselah, Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan,Enosh, Seth, Adam, God.

As you said "Gods word and evolution are diametrically opposed and never the twain shall meet..."

That's just it Cygnus someone is trying to change Gods word into allegory... now who would want to do that?

 

[Barbarian]

hat's just it Cygnus someone is trying to change Gods word into allegory... now who would want to do that?

God does. He has often spoken to us in allegory. Instead of revising what He said, just accept it His way. And you will be troubled no longer.

 

[turnorburn]

God doesn't change.. the god of this world does.. Cygnus said.. and rightly so.. it presents a different gospel.. evolution is one of those doctrines Gods word says would appear in the last days..

II Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[Cygnus]

You've merely confused your word with that of God. As Christians know, there is no conflict between God and evolution. How could there be? He made it to do what it does.

Not that you will go to hell for being a creationist. It's not a salvation issue. Many creationists, so long as they don't make an idol of creationism, will be saved along with those who accept evolution as God's creation.

Do you actually hear what you'resaying? You're now claiming you can lose your salvation. All you have to do is make "creationism" an idol...and bye, bye salvation?

I take it you're joking.

 

[Cygnus]

BUMPED for Barbarian

How true.
If evolutionism is true..and brought about man...then sin and death could not have spread to all via ONE man. Rom 5:12
All the nations couldn't have been made from one man. Acts 17:26
Adam would not have been formed first, and then Eve. 1 Tim 2:13
Man would have come from a woman...1st Cor 11:8
As written in Genesis the first man Adam...would not have become a living being...as Adam would have already been alive. In fact Adams father would have been a man causing Adam NOT to be the first man.

The following linage would have to turn from biblical fact to...allegory...

Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, Heli,Matthat, Levi, Melki, Jannai, Joseph,Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggai,Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda,Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri,Melki, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er,Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi,Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim,Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Boaz, Salmon, Nahshon,Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, Judah,Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Terah, Nahor,Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Shelah,Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, Noah, Lamech,Methuselah, Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan,Enosh, Seth, Adam, God.

As you said "Gods word and evolution are diametrically opposed and never the twain shall meet..."

You NEVER addressed the issue presented above. All you did was a Mr. Bojangles dance and claim..."there is no conflict between God and evolution."
The above addressed the issue and squarely contradicted your opinion.

 

[Cygnus]

That's just it Cygnus someone is trying to change Gods word into allegory... now who would want to do that?

Then they claim if you make "creationism" into an "idol"...you lose your salvation.

 

[Barbarian]

Do you actually hear what you'resaying?

God gives you the freedom to chose Him or reject Him. That is always a choice open to you.

All you have to do is make "creationism" an idol...and bye, bye salvation?

Putting anything before God separates you from Him. Let Him be God and you won't be troubled by it, any more.