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there must be a special theory that applys to all generally.

Who Me said:
A theory about what?

Here is a biblcal fact.
We are All sinners, who deserve God's wrath and condemnation.

God's mercy and grace is because he loves.
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This actually saddens me. It’s not so much that I disagree but you seem to put a lot of emphasis on what we’ve done wrong, with no hint of the good we are capable of.

We are not so depraved that we’ve lost our spark. In Romans, Paul says that we ourselves store up wrath for the day of judgment and elsewhere Scripture states that God does not rejoice at the destruction of the wicked. To me, it paints a different picture than that of depravity almost yearning for Gods wrath so that His mercy may be shown.

If we get stuck with the idea that we first and foremost we are sinners especially incapable of doing good, it becomes a form of self abatement which Satan can bind his chains upon and keep us from the relationship God desires with us.

Think of it like this. If your earthy Father constantly told you that nothing you did was good enough and you should be thankful he was so benevolent, you wouldn’t, or rather, I don’t think that’s a very good father. A good Father encourages his children and builds them up in the direction they should go. He doesn’t chain them down with low self esteem and use guilt to subdue or control them.
 
IMO, theories can be that of no Biblical proof, but only hear say of what others speak.

The word of God is good news and our instruction in God's righteousness if we would only read that of what has already been written.
 
stovebolts said:
We are not so depraved that we’ve lost our spark
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To be blunt, good is only good if it honours God.
An atheist can do 'good' deeds, but apart from the benefit they give to the receiver do they honour God?

We are All sinners and it is only by Gods grace that we can do acts that are ' good '.
 
Who Me said:
To be blunt, good is only good if it honours God.
An atheist can do 'good' deeds, but apart from the benefit they give to the receiver do they honour God?

We are All sinners and it is only by Gods grace that we can do acts that are ' good '.
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Have you read the biblical account of Cyrus, let alone the historical account of his works?
 
Who Me said:
A theory about what?

Here is a biblcal fact.
We are All sinners, who deserve God's wrath and condemnation.

God's mercy and grace is because he loves.
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Here's another Biblical fact. I am the righteousness of God in Christ.

Personally, knowing that I am am a bad boy with no good balance, lol so fall easily...still would rather identify myself with the Lord and the Living rather than with the Lost. Nothing wrong with that I think.
 
Edward said:
Here's another Biblical fact. I am the righteousness of God in Christ.

Personally, knowing that I am am a bad boy with no good balance, lol so fall easily...still would rather identify myself with the Lord and the Living rather than with the Lost. Nothing wrong with that I think.
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You are a new creature in Christ…
 
Absolutely. So why say I'm a sinner and identify with them, when I am a new born again creature? I have not been perfected yet so I can make mistakes and do.

It gets easier to stop sinning over time. I just don't do things anymore willfully that's all. I would think that, those people who are living in sin as a lifestyle are correctly called sinners.

But I'm not a Sinner! I am a child of God. I belong to Him now. He lives inside of me. I can sense His presence. Nah, no sale. I am not a sinner, I am the righteousness of God in Christ!! That is a reason to celebrate! Praise the Lord! :woot2
 
Edward said:
Here's another Biblical fact. I am the righteousness of God in Christ.

Personally, knowing that I am am a bad boy with no good balance, lol so fall easily...still would rather identify myself with the Lord and the Living rather than with the Lost. Nothing wrong with that I think.
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The thread title, is there a theory that covers all man kind.

Only one does that. Romans 3:23.
 
Who Me said:
The thread title, is there a theory that covers all man kind.

Only one does that. Romans 3:23.
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That's true! I believe that. But that was before I got saved! God's spirit now dwells inside of me. So wouldn't that mean that my spirit and God's Spirit are one? In Christ. Christ in me. This is true or God is a liar. Conclusion, I am the righteousness of God in Christ.

When your spirit becomes one with God's Spirit and receive God Spirit (born again), then when you are seen by the Father you are perfect and blameless, however, please note that we are talking about your spirit alone. Not your soul, not your body. So God sees what you can't.

Only our spirit is the righteousness of God in Christ. our body will be transformed and perfected in the future at a later date, after we have received the fullness of God and what He has prepared for us.

And this covers all of mankind in potential. Because it is still our choice to receive these things. SOme will choose poorly.
 
Who Me said:
Really.
Who is in control God or man?
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Deuteronomy 30:15-19
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:.../

Yes, really. You don't think that we are just spectators do you? We are participants. The Lord needs our cooperation in many things. And if we don't do it, the Blessings can't flow. Prayers go unanswered. He said to, pick up your cross and follow me. So yes, we must make a lot of choices here on earth.

When Jesu said, it is finished, He was done. All of the Blessings and healings were all in place and ready to be delivered and the only thing stopping the delivery is...You have not because you ask not. That's how He set it up to work.
 
Who Me said:
We share in the many blessings God graciously gives us, but God needs nothing from us.
He chooses who will be saved.
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Really.
So maybe Jesus's death on the cross was unnecessary?
Behold He stands at the door and knocks and if any man hear Him He will open the door. Should He not do that because it is His choice anyway?

So do we not need to ask, to seek until we find? To knock and it will be opened?

I think you need to think that through some more.
 
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