They knew !

[Deborah13]

Yes Deb do you think this indicates Moses understood the mission of the coming Messiah and possibly that the brass serpent was a type of this ?

I think if we consider all the things that we know that the Lord said to Moses, including letting him see His backside. I think the scriptures I quoted are not a slam dunk but close.
Handy, probably has some really good ones.

I looked at the brass serpent scriptures but couldn't find anything definitive.

 

[for_his_glory]

I truly believe the OT prophets never truly understood that of the Messiah, but knew he was to come as the Prophets said he would. I don't believe they saw the types of Christ within the prophecies given, but only understood these things were of God. The Jews, especially the Pharisees were looking for a Kingly Messiah of wealth and leadership and this is why they rejected the lowly Christ that was before them. It was by divine intervention from God that Peter understood that Christ was the true Messiah especially after seeing the signs and wonders and how he talked with such power and authority that could only come from God. I've heard it said that God provoked the Jews to jealousy when His word was sent out to the Gentiles and many of them believed. It's almost like many today that look for that which is not there, but reject that which is.

 

[Deborah13]

I think if we consider all the things that we know that the Lord said to Moses, including letting him see His backside. I think the scriptures I quoted are not a slam dunk but close.
Handy, probably has some really good ones.

I looked at the brass serpent scriptures but couldn't find anything definitive.

And where's reba, she knows more scripture than anyone, I know, I think.

 

[handy]

Hello Handy sort of yes. I'm only asking about the OT Prophets who presented the types though and indication that they understood the implications of what they presented. Ot scriptures would be good. Nicodemus didn't understand the types of Christ presented in the OT.

As far as how much the OT prophets understood in regards to how their prophecies would be fulfilled by the Messiah... I think the idea of "through a glass darkly" is probably best. Clear understanding... even David's in regards to the quotes from the Psalms you shared above, is doubtful for most of the prophesies. I don't doubt that Abraham was sure that the Lord was making some kind of statement by having him, first take Isaac to be sacrificed and then providing the sacrifice Himself. But, whether he understood that he was portraying a type of God and Isaac was a type of the future Messiah... doubtful. Perhaps some of our members who are more in tune with rabbinical teaching might shed some light, but I've never seen anything truly that clear in the Scriptures.

In regards to Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus and specifically His statement - As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up - I don't think that this indicates that Jesus is stating that Moses knew or should have known that the bronze snake was a type of the coming Messiah. That they sometimes did is probably correct, but not always. I think in the case of Moses and the bronze serpent... it would be surprising that he would make that connection.

The one example that I can think of where the prophet probably knew without any doubt that he was describing the coming Messiah would be Isaiah when he prophesied what is contained in Chapters 51-53 of his book. I would imagine that Isaiah was at first confused and surprised at the extent the Messiah would suffer for His people, but he surely understood that the Messiah was the subject of his prophesy.

 

[agua.]

I truly believe the OT prophets never truly understood that of the Messiah, but knew he was to come as the Prophets said he would. I don't believe they saw the types of Christ within the prophecies given, but only understood these things were of God.

Yeah this is what I'm looking into For His Glory. There seems to be a good indication David understood the content of the prophecies and Jesus indicated Nicodemus should have understood the concept of rebirth contained in the OT. Maybe Jesus was only referring to the resurrection of the dead. The scripture Sparrow quoted indicates that the Prophets knew of "the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow" and that they were ministering to future disciples about the mission of Messiah. What do you think ?


1Pe 1:10-12 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: (11) Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (12) Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yeah this is what I'm looking into For His Glory. There seems to be a good indication David understood the content of the prophecies and Jesus indicated Nicodemus should have understood the concept of rebirth contained in the OT. Maybe Jesus was only referring to the resurrection of the dead. The scripture Sparrow quoted indicates that the Prophets knew of "the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow" and that they were ministering to future disciples about the mission of Messiah. What do you think ?


1Pe 1:10-12 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: (11) Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (12) Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Jesus was pretty explicate when he explained to Nicodemus about the Spiritual rebirth, but even Nicodemus had to hide that knowledge in fear of his own life if the other Pharisees found that he had become Spiritually born again. Many of the OT prophets understood that of Christ and his sufferings as they prophesied about it and penned it down. The difference between the OT and NT is that of two sides of the cross as one being before Christ (prophesy spoken) and the other after the crucifixion (prophesy fulfilled). Even Jesus had to show himself to over 500 people after he was risen for them to understand he was the true Messiah. Tomas doubted, but then believed when he saw the physical. How much more blessed are we that have not seen, but through the Spirit of God we know Christ as our Messiah.

 

[jasonc]

Cool Jason ! Do you have any OT scriptures which indicate that the Prophet understood the message they were presenting. I think we can see in David that he fully understood that Messiah would come to Earth, die, and rise again to redeem him.

Psa 16:8-11 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. (9) Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. (10) For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (11) Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

Psa 22:6-8 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. (7) All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, (8) He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

the sages are rabbis. what of jeremiah 31? also in jewry, word are often looked at in depth.

ie genesis 18 I believe as this one word. mikeitz it means at the end of. man that is deep when linked to channukah.