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Bible Study This Gospel of the Kingdom

Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Luk 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mar 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Mar 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?
Mar 4:31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:
Luk 13:18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?
Luk 13:19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Luk 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Luk 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat_3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
 
Cyberseeker said:
Hang on, Im a bit lost here. :confused2 Is the gospel of the kingdom of heaven different to the gospel of the kingdom of God? You say that the Kingdom of Heaven was postponed but will be preached again during the tribulation. What will its message be?
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??? The Kingdom of Heaven is the fulfillment of the promise to Israel That the Son of David would set upon the throne again in the established Kingdom of Israel (2 Samuel 7: 4-19) It is perpetual and binding forever. (Psalms 89: 30-37) It is called the Davidic Covenant of which Christ who is the son off David according to the flesh to rule the future Kingdom. When Christ came, he came as the Son of David according to the flesh. He started His public ministry in (Matt. 4;12) and His ministry was the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 4: 23) The Religious leaders of Israel rejected Christ to keep there own power, For they loved the praises of men more than the praises of God. The Sermon on the mountain is the constitution of that Kingdom. The rejection of The Son of David (The Christ) begins in Matthew Chapter 12 when they accuse Christ of casting out demons by the work of Satan. An insult to the work of the Holy Spirit. The Kingdom of God is the whole spear of God's creation: the heavens and the earth and all created beings Celestial and terrestrial. The Kingdom of Heaven is in the Kingdom of God, Notice Christ preaches the Kingdom of Heaven as at hand, meaning that everything at that point was ready for the promised kingdom to be established. The Kingdom of Heaven is also referred to as the "kingdom of Christ" (Eph. 5:5) "The Kingdom of the Son of Man" (Matt. 16:28) "my kingdom" (Luke 22:30; John 18;36) and "Kingdom of His dear Son" (Col. 1:13)
The Kingdom of God, which also includes the OT saints is also refereed to as, "The Kingdom of the Father" (Matt. 13:43), "The Kingdom of our God" (Rev. 12:10) and "His Heavenly Kingdom" (2 Tim.. 4:18). Because The Kingdom of Heaven is in the Kingdom of God, The Kingdom of God is some times used. The Kingdom of the Heavens is peculiar to Matthew only, and it's use in Matthew is used by Christ for the clear relationship to Christ as the son of David and The promised of the Davidic Covenant. Only two of the Gospels were written by Apostles of Christ. Mark and Luke were followers of Christ and the Apostles, Just thought that was interesting, for I thought they were all Apostles at one time.

The Kingdom Of Heaven will be preached again during the Tribulation (Matt. 24:14). Matthew chapter 24 is parallel to Revelations Chapters 6 & 7. The Kingdom of Heaven will be established after the tribulation and reign for 1000 years.
 
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Douglas Summers said:
The Kingdom of Heaven is the fulfillment of the promise to Israel That the Son of David would set upon the throne again in the established Kingdom of Israel
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Hi Douglas. Here is an article that I read recently. According to his summary (quoted below) 'the gospel of the kingdom' is said to be different to 'the gospel of grace.' Is this what you are saying too? Is anyone here aware if this doctrine is believed by many preachers or churches?


The twelve apostles led by Peter, preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel, that Israel should believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, repent, and be baptized with water. If they all did this, then Jesus Christ would return and bring in the kingdom just as the Old Testament prophets had foretold. There was nothing in Peter's message about departing from the law of Moses, to which the believing Jews adhered. Peter presented them the offer of the kingdom in the early chapters of Acts. But many in Israel still did not believe and rejected the ascended Lord Jesus Christ. But when Christ returns and purges the unbelieving two thirds (Zechariah 13:8-9), the remaining one third will all accept Him as their Messiah.

When they rejected the ascended Lord in the early chapters of Acts, God called Paul to be the apostle to the Gentiles. Up until that time, God had been dealing only with Israel, with just a few exceptions. Our ascended Lord Jesus Christ committed unto Paul the dispensation of the grace of God which had always been a secret hidden by God. This was a new program with new doctrine which God would show to Paul through many revelations. Paul was shown that the crucifixion of Jesus Christ had been the perfect sacrifice that paid for all of our sin, and that He had been raised from the dead for our justification. This is the gospel of grace, the gospel of our salvation today, which had before been a mystery, hidden by God. Under this present dispensation, we are saved by grace, through faith in the gospel alone, apart from the law of Moses or any other works.

Even though Peter and Paul preached different gospels, there is no conflict between them because they dispensed their gospels to two separate audiences. So they were both correct. Peter preached kingdom doctrine to the Jews in the land of Israel, but Paul preached grace doctrine to the Gentiles in other countries and to the Jews scattered among them. When the destruction of the city Jerusalem and the temple came in 70 AD, the kingdom dispensation for Israel was put on hold, until it resumes in the future tribulation. But the grace doctrine for Jew and Gentile alike found in Paul's letters of Romans-Philemon are directly applicable for the church today.
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What a wreck i am. I have been a decieved mess. Lie after lie recieved and given. God just forgives me through believing and having faith in Christ all is good just repent.

Who am i to think i can can just sit back and relax on the couch scoffing down quarter pounder cheeseburgers under the Most Highs grace through Jesus Christ. Free kingdom of heaven no effort needed just love God and neighbour.Have faith in Christ and ignore his Fathers law he kept.

Jesus and the Most High are just big cuddly teddy bears?

Really, then Jesus is suppose to just come and rapture his bacon loving church who ignore the Most High and the prophets and have put the Apostle Pauls teachings in there own context. No precept interpret precept.

No wonder we all debate and cant get along. Its the biggest deception ever. We follow mans context. The church is sleeping.

And whats the answer, throw around a few out of context mans interpretation scriptures to justify. Go throw me a romans verse.

The jews never rejected Christ either. Its in scripure. All his diciples and thousands apon thousands believed Thousands and thousands clear scripture. You cant generalise thousands and thousands.

Who teaches this stuff. He came to his own and his own recieved him not. some pastor going to throw that verse at me.
 
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Cyberseeker said:
We all realise that the gospel has many facets. There is the good news of ‘redemption’, the good news of ‘justification’, the good news of ‘forgiveness of sins’, the good news of ‘new birth’, and so on. However, in Jesus’ Olivet discourse, he zeroes in on a special facet of the good news. He uses a different description; “This gospel of the kingdom …”


Exactly what is it referring to? What is the “gospel of the kingdom?”

Cyber
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Matthew 11:13 KJV
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The testimony of John was repentance, And believe in the one who comes after me. The kingdom is at hand. Jesus baptizing in Holy Spirit and fire.

eddif
 
Cyberseeker said:
Hi Douglas. Here is an article that I read recently. According to his summary (quoted below) 'the gospel of the kingdom' is said to be different to 'the gospel of grace.' Is this what you are saying too? Is anyone here aware if this doctrine is believed by many preachers or churches?


The twelve apostles led by Peter, preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel, that Israel should believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah, repent, and be baptized with water. If they all did this, then Jesus Christ would return and bring in the kingdom just as the Old Testament prophets had foretold. There was nothing in Peter's message about departing from the law of Moses, to which the believing Jews adhered. Peter presented them the offer of the kingdom in the early chapters of Acts. But many in Israel still did not believe and rejected the ascended Lord Jesus Christ. But when Christ returns and purges the unbelieving two thirds (Zechariah 13:8-9), the remaining one third will all accept Him as their Messiah.

When they rejected the ascended Lord in the early chapters of Acts, God called Paul to be the apostle to the Gentiles. Up until that time, God had been dealing only with Israel, with just a few exceptions. Our ascended Lord Jesus Christ committed unto Paul the dispensation of the grace of God which had always been a secret hidden by God. This was a new program with new doctrine which God would show to Paul through many revelations. Paul was shown that the crucifixion of Jesus Christ had been the perfect sacrifice that paid for all of our sin, and that He had been raised from the dead for our justification. This is the gospel of grace, the gospel of our salvation today, which had before been a mystery, hidden by God. Under this present dispensation, we are saved by grace, through faith in the gospel alone, apart from the law of Moses or any other works.

Even though Peter and Paul preached different gospels, there is no conflict between them because they dispensed their gospels to two separate audiences. So they were both correct. Peter preached kingdom doctrine to the Jews in the land of Israel, but Paul preached grace doctrine to the Gentiles in other countries and to the Jews scattered among them. When the destruction of the city Jerusalem and the temple came in 70 AD, the kingdom dispensation for Israel was put on hold, until it resumes in the future tribulation. But the grace doctrine for Jew and Gentile alike found in Paul's letters of Romans-Philemon are directly applicable for the church today.
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Yes, except that Jesus was always full of grace for Jew or Gentile. In the beginning of the ministry of Christ, He came preaching the Good news that He was the Son of David who would fulfill the promises of God as to the Kingdom of Israel. This is the Davidic Covenant. Perpetual, binding and eternal. (2 Samuel 7:4-23) & (Psalms 89: 20-37). Christ came to CONFIRM The promises made unto the fathers (Rom. 15:8 a). That is why Matthew starts out the NT, The Theme of Matthew is "Christ the King). It is the Christ coming as the Son of David, to set up that Kingdom, and that was His ministry ( Matt. 4: 12-25),"The Gospel of the Kingdom of the Heavens". In the original Script, Heavens is plural (there are 3 Heavens (2 Cor. 12: 2). In His ministry, He preached only to the lost sheep of Israel (Matt. 15: 21-28 Christ's grace).
In John (1: 11) It says, He came unto his own But His own received Him not. His own here was not the nation Israel, but the religious leaders who taught Israel the Scriptures and should and did know who Jesus was. But they did not want to give up any authority, for they loved praises of men over God.

In Chapter 12 of Matthew starts the moral rejection of Christ by the religious leaders to the point of Christ casting out demons to the power of Satan. In Chapter 13, Christ walks out of the House of Israel (13: 1) and begins His Ministry of Grace to both Jew and Gentile (13: 2) and telling in parable of the time of His sowing now and what will transpire between his absence and His return, The Gospel of the Kingdom of the Heavens (on earth). He goes on preaching The gospel of the kingdom, Grace and mentions the Church future to be His body of Grace. It does no good to wonder what would have happened if Israel accepted The Son of David as King. They didn't, and God's foreknowledge prepared for that.

The biggest hindrance to the calling out of the Church has been the teaching that the Church has taken the place of Israel or is the new Israel, and claiming all the promises of Israel belong to the Church. It is the work of Satan at his worst. Instead of being humbled, non violent, charitable and Spiritual, the visible church has become prideful, claimed material wealth as an approval of their works for God, boastful, violent, left their first love, and made the church a loft and perch for every fowl bird and a warehouse of leaven. The Church will be the NEW JERUSALEM in the Kingdom of God. God as our Father, Christ as our brother, and a kingdom of priest and kings, heirs to the throne. (Rev. 1:5-6) (Rom. 8: 14-17) (Rev. 21: 1-2)

I hope this gives you some insight to Spiritual things of God. Some call God's work a mystery? But He has laid it out in detail to His Body.
In Christ
Amen

 
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Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 
Douglas Summers said:
But He has laid it out in detail to His Body.
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Indeed. And put it all on the "ugly" side of the ledgers where few care to look or observe. That's the "irony" of our present state of affairs. The spiritual "catch 22" that doesn't have a solution. The natural tendency is to go only to the good side of the equations. However, that always proves itself quite futile.

There is a "built in" contrariness to our present state. And this "contrariness" is set before all of us, each and every "member," here:

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

and, this results exactly as Paul states:

"so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

Paul makes it even more dramatic when we try to then isolate just the "flesh" because it is NOT the flesh itself that we 'wrestle' with:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Yet we never seem to be able to determine that the contrariness of the flesh is exactly because of the above operating "IN" the flesh.

Paul does lay out the prospect of our HOPE, here, defining first, our present "natural" "first" state. And again, to see ourselves apart from these present conditions is quite futile:

1 Corinthians 15:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

These are not pleasant things to perceive. Yet Paul devoted a great deal of his teachings exactly on those grounds. It is impossible to get away from the facts of our current planting. To do so is to fall into all kinds of lies and hypocrisy(s) of endless sorts. I have cried at the pews of the "repentant" pentacostals. IT DID NO GOOD! The contrariness of the flesh, and more importantly, the powers that are behind that contrariness REMAIN.

So, what are we to make of these things? Paul was extremely optimistic about the 'change' and our 'hope to come.' But that didn't remove him from this reality in the NOW:

Romans 9
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

That does NOT sound to me like a guy dancing in the streets over his personal JOY in Christ. And Paul goes through great lengths teaching WHY he saw things "in the now" this way. And yes, it was his own personal contrariness of the flesh, which he delineated thusly:

Romans 9:
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

IF any "believer" happens to accidentally figure this out, they will see that God is the ENEMY of the "vessels" of dishonor. And that is the contrariness that is in our flesh, which is of the TEMPTER.

This does make God an ENEMY of what we ourselves carry.

And if you are sensing a certain 'woe is me' at this junction, welcome to the club of the prophets. They all saw the same WOE is me.

Paul explains clearly, WHY THAT IS.

Now, let's all just dance around about our victory and our Victor?

I think not. There is another fish to scale in these matters. And it's just not all that pretty or pleasant.

It is exactly God's Intentions to have mercy. And, to show that, He Himself has bound us with CONTRARINESS.

Yes, as Paul says, God is WILLING to show US His Wrath.

Whether we "go there or not" IT'S COMING!

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,

I already know that on this side of the VEIL OF TEARS, there is a SEPARATION coming. And the 'DIVIDING OF THE VESSELS' is clearly on the agenda, ala Matt. 25.

So, I know what is coming. I can see it. I can read about it. AND, God has dealt with me on the ILL side of this ledger. I know my contrariness.

For His Final Division, I look UP to my Father. Yes, I see YOUR CONSTRUCT! It is "me" that is planted in weakness, corruption and dishonor. YES, I know these are courtesy of the "vessel" of dishonor and the powers of darkness that are NOT ME. Yes, I know there will be NO BLESSINGS laid thereon.

I look for your WRATH, personally.

And I know that MERCY comes TO the DOUBLE ASH HEAP. His Mercy is upon my lips. I know where Abraham stood:

Genesis 18:27
And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

I know where Job sat because I'm sitting in the same PILE, for REAL.

Job 42:6
Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Whether any churches or any believer sees this or not, won't matter.

Judgment begins and will arrive, "in our own temple."

Mercy can come in 2 ways. With tears or with screams, but it always comes with the FEAR of God. I quit lying to God, because I fear to.

There will be no place to HIDE. As you watch the "present world" crumble and collapse, before our eyes.

Daniel 2:35
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

So, yeah. I know. I also know that at least 1/2 of each and all of us will never hear or concede to any of it.

It won't matter in the end. The "wheat" and the chaff will be separated in the same basket called "me." The wheat and the tare grow in the same ground called ME.

It's not "the other guy." It is ME who is planted in a natural body with dishonor, weakness and corruption, doing my wrestling match with the enemy in my flesh.
 
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Indeed. And put it all on the "ugly" side of the ledgers where few care to look or observe. That's the "irony" of our present state of affairs. The spiritual "catch 22" that doesn't have a solution. The natural tendency is to go only to the good side of the equations. However, that always proves itself quite futile.

There is a "built in" contrariness to our present state. And this "contrariness" is set before all of us, each and every "member," here:

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

and, this results exactly as Paul states:

"so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

Paul makes it even more dramatic when we try to then isolate just the "flesh" because it is NOT the flesh itself that we 'wrestle' with:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Yet we never seem to be able to determine that the contrariness of the flesh is exactly because of the above operating "IN" the flesh.

Paul does lay out the prospect of our HOPE, here, defining first, our present "natural" "first" state. And again, to see ourselves apart from these present conditions is quite futile:

1 Corinthians 15:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

These are not pleasant things to perceive. Yet Paul devoted a great deal of his teachings exactly on those grounds. It is impossible to get away from the facts of our current planting. To do so is to fall into all kinds of lies and hypocrisy(s) of endless sorts. I have cried at the pews of the "repentant" pentacostals. IT DID NO GOOD! The contrariness of the flesh, and more importantly, the powers that are behind that contrariness REMAIN.

So, what are we to make of these things? Paul was extremely optimistic about the 'change' and our 'hope to come.' But that didn't remove him from this reality in the NOW:

Romans 9
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

That does NOT sound to me like a guy dancing in the streets over his personal JOY in Christ. And Paul goes through great lengths teaching WHY he saw things "in the now" this way. And yes, it was his own personal contrariness of the flesh, which he delineated thusly:

Romans 9:
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

IF any "believer" happens to accidentally figure this out, they will see that God is the ENEMY of the "vessels" of dishonor. And that is the contrariness that is in our flesh, which is of the TEMPTER.

This does make God an ENEMY of what we ourselves carry.

And if you are sensing a certain 'woe is me' at this junction, welcome to the club of the prophets. They all saw the same WOE is me.

Paul explains clearly, WHY THAT IS.

Now, let's all just dance around about our victory and our Victor?

I think not. There is another fish to scale in these matters. And it's just not all that pretty or pleasant.

It is exactly God's Intentions to have mercy. And, to show that, He Himself has bound us with CONTRARINESS.

Yes, as Paul says, God is WILLING to show US His Wrath.

Whether we "go there or not" IT'S COMING!

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,

I already know that on this side of the VEIL OF TEARS, there is a SEPARATION coming. And the 'DIVIDING OF THE VESSELS' is clearly on the agenda, ala Matt. 25.

So, I know what is coming. I can see it. I can read about it. AND, God has dealt with me on the ILL side of this ledger. I know my contrariness.

For His Final Division, I look UP to my Father. Yes, I see YOUR CONSTRUCT! It is "me" that is planted in weakness, corruption and dishonor. YES, I know these are courtesy of the "vessel" of dishonor and the powers of darkness that are NOT ME. Yes, I know there will be NO BLESSINGS laid thereon.

I look for your WRATH, personally.

And I know that MERCY comes TO the DOUBLE ASH HEAP. His Mercy is upon my lips. I know where Abraham stood:

Genesis 18:27
And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

I know where Job sat because I'm sitting in the same PILE, for REAL.

Job 42:6
Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Whether any churches or any believer sees this or not, won't matter.

Judgment begins and will arrive, "in our own temple."

Mercy can come in 2 ways. With tears or with screams, but it always comes with the FEAR of God. I quit lying to God, because I fear to.

There will be no place to HIDE. As you watch the "present world" crumble and collapse, before our eyes.

Daniel 2:35
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

So, yeah. I know. I also know that at least 1/2 of each and all of us will never hear or concede to any of it.

It won't matter in the end. The "wheat" and the chaff will be separated in the same basket called "me." The wheat and the tare grow in the same ground called ME.

It's not "the other guy." It is ME who is planted in a natural body with dishonor, weakness and corruption, doing my wrestling match with the enemy in my flesh.
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Yes, but very few will except that wrestling match between the two men. But, all is not in vain. Paul describes what you are saying in Romans Chapter 7. But Chapter 8 gives us victory over the old man for God has condemned the flesh. (Rom. 8: 3-4). Therefore there is NOW , NO CONDEMNATION to them that are in Christ Jesus. And the RESULT of no condemnation is that the battle is now between the old man and the Holy Spirit. Paul is left out of it. Because the flesh has already been judged and sentenced (Rom. 8: 2-4). Many do not believe or understand this, because so many think they have to prove to God (by works) that they hope they can make it to heaven. But, you must be born again. For without rebirth we are nothing but a tinkling cymbal. For rebirth has created in us (the new man) good works. So where is the boasting :0)

In Christ, by the power and strength of His love
Douglas Summers
 
Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

him, in the above is Satan, that operator in the "flesh." That is "why" they loved not their lives. Not that they, or us for that matter, were somehow better than "the other guy" or isolated from this battle.

Technically, right now, "we" are dead and our life is hid with God in Christ.

Colossians 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Fortunately 'some' of Him within leaks out of the earthen vessel which resides by our DEPOSIT SEED of faith in Him, which is really HIM in us, enough to give us HOPE for the final unveiling of Christ in US.

Had I not had my "taste" of this reality, I could not write of it, or see it. But I have tasted, and God is beyond GOOD.

Psalm 84:10
For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
 
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For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
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Your quote of Psalms 84:10
Just leaped off the display (complete with a couple of sentences of explanation for me. I was not even really reading in debth.

We can understand Jesus being the door, and suffer outside the gate (through this scripture). We actually can just about be on the outside.
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Jesus said go preach the gospel, and what has happened. Its been completely paganised by mulitiple churches and denominations.

The true gospel rarely gets teached anymore or is known. Man has added his few docrines here and there.

And extras like the rapture.
 
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Psalm 84:10
For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.[/QUOTE]
I believe every sincere seeker of the risen Christ has felt this way at first. But the born again believer finds himself inside and on the other side of the Door or Gate, secure with fellowship of the Spirit of Christ. (John 6: 34-40) (John 10: 7-10)



Psalm 84:10
For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.[/QUOTE]
 
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Douglas Summers said:

I believe every sincere seeker of the risen Christ has felt this way at first. But the born again believer finds himself inside and on the other side of the Door or Gate, secure with fellowship of the Spirit of Christ. (John 6: 34-40) (John 10: 7-10)
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All, every last one of us, in our temporal earthen vessel tents are currently pitched here, in factual contrariness. There is no way to avoid the conclusion.

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

When I read about 'the wicked' I am reading about the indwelling sin in my own earth tent. I don't need to point to anyone else's, to know what's in theirs. We all have the same "temporal" tent with the same contrariness, only varying by degrees of sight of it.

In the Cadence of Divine Wisdom, we learn that the wise and the fool are "bound together" and that the "wicked" will be separated/severed from the "just." Yeah, ALL His Words apply to each of us. Luke 4:4, Matt. 4:4. Not just the good stuff that we happen to be fonder of, for natural reasons.

This is what I wait for, personally:

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Both sides of this equation apply, when we see the contrariness that we are bound to.
 
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The true gospel rarely gets teached anymore or is known.
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You are correct, the true gospel message is rarely taught or known anymore. They have adopted a gospel of a different doctrine. They have adopted a gospel message that waits upon the kingdom of God arriving at some future point, and how you should live in order to be found worthy. But that is not the Gospel message that Jesus taught, nor is it the Gospel message the the Apostles taught. The true gospel message, the gospel of the kingdom, is that the kingdom of Heaven is already present with man if they will receive it.

Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
Do do wonder how people can believe in the man made rapture.

There is absolutaly nothing biblical about a rapture using precept on precept and i tell yo, there is no way i want to be taken or raptured and satan tell people the rapture is some glorious event and they can sit back on the couch gluttining out on bacon double cheeseburgers under Gods grace and hes just going to come an beam them into the sky. I mean common doctrine of man, and people acturally believe this rubbish.
 
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We all realise that the gospel has many facets. There is the good news of ‘redemption’, the good news of ‘justification’, the good news of ‘forgiveness of sins’, the good news of ‘new birth’, and so on. However, in Jesus’ Olivet discourse, he zeroes in on a special facet of the good news. He uses a different description; “This gospel of the kingdom …”

Exactly what is it referring to? What is the “gospel of the kingdom?”

Cyber
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the "gospel of the kingdom" (from Matt 24:14) is just the Word shown in the biblical books of the New Testament as well as in biblical books of the old covenant, however, it is certain the mystery of the iniquity will be fully revealed to the whole world - something that had not been done before, because even many believers were not aware of the fact that there is a great spiritual wickedness/iniquity/lawlessness and that it is the cause and the source of all other evils/iniquities, the great "sin" about which they read in the Bible

Blessings
 
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