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Bible Study Thompson Chain Reference Bible... Any good links on how to use ?
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Greetings Bob777 
I too enjoy the Thompson Chain Reference bible and found a couple videos on Youtube about using it. Maybe that's a good place to start?
There are many instructional videos there. Here's one:
[video=youtube;4fo4c4v4ST4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fo4c4v4ST4[/video]
That last one was promotional and I expect you're already aware of much of what was covered. This next is more informational and shows more of HOW to use your Scripture Tool, the Thompson Chain Reference Study Bible.
[video=youtube;d2v3rhtXQWY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2v3rhtXQWY[/video]
I too enjoy the Thompson Chain Reference bible and found a couple videos on Youtube about using it. Maybe that's a good place to start?
There are many instructional videos there. Here's one:
[video=youtube;4fo4c4v4ST4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fo4c4v4ST4[/video]
That last one was promotional and I expect you're already aware of much of what was covered. This next is more informational and shows more of HOW to use your Scripture Tool, the Thompson Chain Reference Study Bible.
[video=youtube;d2v3rhtXQWY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2v3rhtXQWY[/video]
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I've been using the Thompson Chain reference for about 15 or more years.
It takes a bit getting use to.
The references on the right and left side of the page are topics that line up with the verse you are reading and related to it.
Those references are in the back of the book.
Each reference in the back will show you all the verses in the Bible related to your reading.
Then those references will take you to more references forming a chain.
The studies can seem to be endless.
You can go as far as you want.
I hope you enjoy it, I wouldn't want to do without it.
It takes a bit getting use to.
The references on the right and left side of the page are topics that line up with the verse you are reading and related to it.
Those references are in the back of the book.
Each reference in the back will show you all the verses in the Bible related to your reading.
Then those references will take you to more references forming a chain.
The studies can seem to be endless.
You can go as far as you want.
I hope you enjoy it, I wouldn't want to do without it.
Hello Allen:
Thank you for your reply. It's nice to find someone here who has used the Thompson Chain Reference Bible for a long time.
I think I might understand the chain references a little better now.
But I'm a little confused on two additional items:
1. It seems there are some topic numbers listed the margins that aren't part of the chain reference.
and
2. There is also something called parallel passages, which are also listed in the margins. I'm confused regarding them. They are usually listed as "p.p". So it seems like they are not part of the chain references either.
Number 1 above is a topic reference, but not part of the chain reference. And number 2 is a p.p. What's so confusing to me is that they seem so similar.
I see that there are no cross references used. I guess that's because chain references are used. I'm not sure I know exactly the difference between a cross reference and a chain reference, other than chain references are in links and I guess cross references aren't?
And it seems that you can almost say a p.p. is like a cross reference. But my Thompson Bible calls them p.p., not cross references. So they must be different in some way.
Thanks for any additional input.
Bob
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turnorburn
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Comprehensive Bible Helps Page IV
The Analytical and Synthetic System Of The Bible Pages V & VI
Explanation Of The Margins, Text Encyclopedia And Journey Maps Page VII
The Practical Advantages Of This Bible Page VIII
Key To Pronunciation Of Proper Names Page IX
Chapters Of Old & New Testaments Page X
You have a great study bible there my friend.. :yes
tob
The Analytical and Synthetic System Of The Bible Pages V & VI
Explanation Of The Margins, Text Encyclopedia And Journey Maps Page VII
The Practical Advantages Of This Bible Page VIII
Key To Pronunciation Of Proper Names Page IX
Chapters Of Old & New Testaments Page X
You have a great study bible there my friend.. :yes
tob
I have an example in my Thompson KJV at Judges 11:18:
1. There are topic reference numbers listed that are not part of a chain reference. i.e. At Judges 11:18 in the margin we see 2391 Moab. It’s not part of a chain.
2. There is also something the Thompson Bible calls parallel passages (abbreviated p.p.), that are not part of a chain. i.e. At Judges 11:18 in the margin we see p.p. Numbers 21:4. It’not part of a chain.
Thompson doesn’t call them cross references either. Looks like Thompson doesn’t advertise it has cross references. There must be something special about references to qualify being called a cross reference.
All this is what’s confusing me.
1. There are topic reference numbers listed that are not part of a chain reference. i.e. At Judges 11:18 in the margin we see 2391 Moab. It’s not part of a chain.
2. There is also something the Thompson Bible calls parallel passages (abbreviated p.p.), that are not part of a chain. i.e. At Judges 11:18 in the margin we see p.p. Numbers 21:4. It’not part of a chain.
Thompson doesn’t call them cross references either. Looks like Thompson doesn’t advertise it has cross references. There must be something special about references to qualify being called a cross reference.
All this is what’s confusing me.
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Hi All;
I apologize for taking so long to get back to this post regarding my questions about the marginal notes in my KJV Thompson Chain Reference Bible. I have been contending with a total knee replacement and all the physical therapy I am supposed to do. But I finally got through to someone at Kirkbride to ask my questions about the marginal notes at Judges 11:18. I’ll try to remember as best I can what he said.
1. I was told that 2391 Moab is a minor reference to Judges 11:18. I don’t know if this was a reference listed by Dr. Thompson or the editors at the Kirkbride company, but since it was of minor importance to the Judges 11:18 topic, it wasn’t included in the Judges 11:18 chain.
2. I asked why the parallel passage (p.p.) Numbers21:4 wasn’t part of the Judges 11:18 chain, since it also refers to the Judges11:18 chain. I understand this verse was determined by the Kirkbride editors (whoever they are) to be an important reference for the Judges 11:18 chain.
The Kirkbride editors probably determined this after all the topical chainreferences were printed in back of the Thompson Bible. The Kirkbride person I spoke to said it would cost too much to insert these much fewer parallel passages in the back of the Thompson Bible (with all the other chain references) so Kirkbride just prints it separately in the margin and calls it a parallel passage.
I’m not so sure Dr. Thompson had Numbers 21:4 listed as a parallel passage in his original Thompson Chain Reference Bible. I wonder if Dr. Thompson had any parallel passages listed in his original Chain Reference Bible. I’m guessing Kirkbride came up with the parallel passage idea later on.
I don't know why my font size got so small. I can't make it go to a larger size.
I apologize for taking so long to get back to this post regarding my questions about the marginal notes in my KJV Thompson Chain Reference Bible. I have been contending with a total knee replacement and all the physical therapy I am supposed to do. But I finally got through to someone at Kirkbride to ask my questions about the marginal notes at Judges 11:18. I’ll try to remember as best I can what he said.
1. I was told that 2391 Moab is a minor reference to Judges 11:18. I don’t know if this was a reference listed by Dr. Thompson or the editors at the Kirkbride company, but since it was of minor importance to the Judges 11:18 topic, it wasn’t included in the Judges 11:18 chain.
2. I asked why the parallel passage (p.p.) Numbers21:4 wasn’t part of the Judges 11:18 chain, since it also refers to the Judges11:18 chain. I understand this verse was determined by the Kirkbride editors (whoever they are) to be an important reference for the Judges 11:18 chain.
The Kirkbride editors probably determined this after all the topical chainreferences were printed in back of the Thompson Bible. The Kirkbride person I spoke to said it would cost too much to insert these much fewer parallel passages in the back of the Thompson Bible (with all the other chain references) so Kirkbride just prints it separately in the margin and calls it a parallel passage.
I’m not so sure Dr. Thompson had Numbers 21:4 listed as a parallel passage in his original Thompson Chain Reference Bible. I wonder if Dr. Thompson had any parallel passages listed in his original Chain Reference Bible. I’m guessing Kirkbride came up with the parallel passage idea later on.
I don't know why my font size got so small. I can't make it go to a larger size.
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farouk
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I didn't realize that there were different versions of the Thompson.
I found a copy of Dr. Thompson's 1908 Chain Reference Bible. Looks like Google copied it from the Harvard Theological Library.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MWpMsQwiPvAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
His Bible had more topics added when he started working with Kirkbride, who now sells the Thompson Chain Ref. Bible.
I checked out Judges 11:18 in the 1908 edition. Dr. Thompson has the same p.p. there too. So that p.p. was not added later by Kirkbride. Now I'm trying to figure out why this single verse of p.p. (Num 21:4) wasn't listed in the original chain of Judges 11:18. It's probably something simple that I'm overlooking.
I notice on page IV of the 1908 edition, Dr. Thompson calls it a Collateral Reference..."prepared by a thorough revision of the old systems...and are not connected with the chains." Since it isn't connected with the Judges 11:18 chain, I'm wondering why was the p.p. listed? Maybe I just don't know what a collateral reference is.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MWpMsQwiPvAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
His Bible had more topics added when he started working with Kirkbride, who now sells the Thompson Chain Ref. Bible.
I checked out Judges 11:18 in the 1908 edition. Dr. Thompson has the same p.p. there too. So that p.p. was not added later by Kirkbride. Now I'm trying to figure out why this single verse of p.p. (Num 21:4) wasn't listed in the original chain of Judges 11:18. It's probably something simple that I'm overlooking.
I notice on page IV of the 1908 edition, Dr. Thompson calls it a Collateral Reference..."prepared by a thorough revision of the old systems...and are not connected with the chains." Since it isn't connected with the Judges 11:18 chain, I'm wondering why was the p.p. listed? Maybe I just don't know what a collateral reference is.
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Asyncritus
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Hey Bob
I don't want to throw a spanner in your works, but you seem to be feeling the Thompson pinch already.
Why not abandon it, at least until you've got your own feet on the ground, for yourself, and most important, BY yourself?
That is a most useful thing to do, BTW.
Why?
Because you are not immediately stuffed into the straitjacket of Thompson's thinking.
Read with a pencil in hand, and anything you don't understand, make a note in your margin. Time will come when you'll have the satisfaction of using an eraser on that mark.
One thing's for sure - you won't be as confused as you are now, and you will pick up much more if you keep asking yourself 'where have I seen this before?'
I have been studying the Bible for a very long time, with only marginal references to help, and a good pair of translations: the AV and the Revised Version both printed together in the Interlinear Bible.
They are beyond price - the AV for its linguistic beauty, and the RV for its deadly accurate translation.
Trust me, you don't need a study Bible. Somebody has done a lot of study, and you need to do your own, not use the crutch of his thinking.
I don't want to throw a spanner in your works, but you seem to be feeling the Thompson pinch already.
Why not abandon it, at least until you've got your own feet on the ground, for yourself, and most important, BY yourself?
That is a most useful thing to do, BTW.
Why?
Because you are not immediately stuffed into the straitjacket of Thompson's thinking.
Read with a pencil in hand, and anything you don't understand, make a note in your margin. Time will come when you'll have the satisfaction of using an eraser on that mark.
One thing's for sure - you won't be as confused as you are now, and you will pick up much more if you keep asking yourself 'where have I seen this before?'
I have been studying the Bible for a very long time, with only marginal references to help, and a good pair of translations: the AV and the Revised Version both printed together in the Interlinear Bible.
They are beyond price - the AV for its linguistic beauty, and the RV for its deadly accurate translation.
Trust me, you don't need a study Bible. Somebody has done a lot of study, and you need to do your own, not use the crutch of his thinking.
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Asyncritus
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That is the problem Farouk.
How do you know if the themes etc are correct?
I believe that exercising your independence of thought is a most valuable thing, and will save you from going up many gum trees.
I don't remember Jesus or the apostles quoting many authorities, and the gospel writers, as examples never bothered with themes and analyses and introductions. Otherwise they'd have got a table of contents at the front of their books!
And looking at the size of some of these turgid 'introductions' etc, there probably wouldn't have been enough space left for the book itself!
I was staggered when I visited a friend of mine when I looked at his scriptural bookshelf. He'd got a series of commentaries starting from A going right to Z.
The most amazing one I spotted was on the epistles of John. You know that in total they're only about 8 short chapters.
The commentary was about an inch thick, 8 inches wide, and a foot tall.
What did the guy find to write about? I don't know - but I'm pretty sure John would have had a fit if he saw what had happened to his little letters!
Make your own commentary. You'll be a lot better for it. And you'll save a lot of money! Give it to charity or some worthy causes instead.
Sure, you'll make mistakes - but at least they'll be your own mistakes, not somebody else's!
How do you know if the themes etc are correct?
I believe that exercising your independence of thought is a most valuable thing, and will save you from going up many gum trees.
I don't remember Jesus or the apostles quoting many authorities, and the gospel writers, as examples never bothered with themes and analyses and introductions. Otherwise they'd have got a table of contents at the front of their books!
And looking at the size of some of these turgid 'introductions' etc, there probably wouldn't have been enough space left for the book itself!
I was staggered when I visited a friend of mine when I looked at his scriptural bookshelf. He'd got a series of commentaries starting from A going right to Z.
The most amazing one I spotted was on the epistles of John. You know that in total they're only about 8 short chapters.
The commentary was about an inch thick, 8 inches wide, and a foot tall.
What did the guy find to write about? I don't know - but I'm pretty sure John would have had a fit if he saw what had happened to his little letters!
Make your own commentary. You'll be a lot better for it. And you'll save a lot of money! Give it to charity or some worthy causes instead.
Sure, you'll make mistakes - but at least they'll be your own mistakes, not somebody else's!
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farouk
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Asyncritus
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Comparing scripture with scripture is the second greatest thing you can do in your Bible study.
The greatest thing is, reading the passage very carefully, coming to some understanding of it ON YOUR OWN, and then checking your understanding WITH THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT of the words you're considering.
That preserves you from some very stupid errors.
Here's a for example:
1 Cor 11.28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
Question: Does this mean that he should do an in depth psychoanalysis of his psyche? That would take weeks at the shrink's office!
So what does he mean?
Read the context and all becomes perfectly clear.
The greatest thing is, reading the passage very carefully, coming to some understanding of it ON YOUR OWN, and then checking your understanding WITH THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT of the words you're considering.
That preserves you from some very stupid errors.
Here's a for example:
1 Cor 11.28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
Question: Does this mean that he should do an in depth psychoanalysis of his psyche? That would take weeks at the shrink's office!
So what does he mean?
Read the context and all becomes perfectly clear.