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[_ Old Earth _] Times are a' changin'

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"In the last few years, two paradigms underlying human evolution have crumbled. Modern humans have not totally replaced previous hominins without any admixture, and the expected signatures of adaptations to new environments are surprisingly lacking at the genomic level. Here we review current evidence about archaic admixture and lack of strong selective sweeps in humans. We underline the need to properly model differential admixture in various populations to correctly reconstruct past demography. We also stress the importance of taking into account the spatial dimension of human evolution, which proceeded by a series of range expansions that could have promoted both the introgression of archaic genes and background selection."​

"Until recently, the out-of-Africa model of human evolution was favoured by most genetic analyses, but this model collapsed when the sequencing of the Neanderthal genome revealed that 1%–3% of the genome of Eurasians was of Neanderthal origin. At the same time, refined analyses of modern human genomic data [1][3] have changed our view of evolutionary forces acting on our genome."

"Most methods aiming at detecting recent episodes of selection in humans have been designed under the paradigm that adaptations were mainly driven by classical positive selection"
"Several lines of evidence support the past action of positive selection, such as increased levels of population differentiation in or close to genic regions [3], [37], increased diversity with distance from coding regions [38], or lower diversity and increased population differentiation in regions of low recombination where selective sweep should be more efficient [8], [39][41].
And now the kicker (Positive selection is a mechanism of natural selection):

"However, this paradigm has been recently eroded as it has been realized that our genome does not show many sites that are fixed between human populations [2], [38], and that fixed differences are always between populations from different continents [3], suggesting that strong adaptive events rarely occurred in response to local adaptation."

"Because background selection can explain most aspects of human genetic diversity, it does not mean that adaptive events driven by positive selection have not occurred in recent or past human evolution (e.g., [49]), but they might not be that widespread and detecting their signal might be more difficult than anticipated."


"As James F. Crow would have put it, in human evolution the questions have remained the same but the answers have changed. Genomics has revealed that the genome of Eurasians is partly of archaic origin, and genome-wide patterns of diversity have not revealed expected signals of adaptive selection in humans. The sequencing of additional archaic hominins should be helpful to distinguish between alternative scenarios of admixture, infer the timing and the geographic location of admixture events, and assess human migration routes over Eurasia. Archaic admixture can also seriously impact estimated human demography, which should be revisited to account for differential introgression among human populations. Scenarios of human evolution need to be geographically coherent and integrate range expansions during which deleterious mutations can readily surf and accumulate on wave fronts, giving later fuel to background selection. Whereas our view of human evolution has drastically changed over the past few years, it would be pretentious to believe we now know the true history of modern humans and that we have identified all selective forces that have shaped the diversity of our genome. However, progress in the analysis of modern and ancient genomes is likely to soon provide the data that will allow us to test complex scenarios of human evolution and contrast the role of various selective forces that are currently or were acting in our genome."​
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1002837


I think they are sending a message with that opening statement. Darwin's prediction of an out-of-Africa model has been debunked, and "the expected signatures of adaptations to new environments are surprisingly lacking at the genomic level." Darwin's theory says that: a species adapt or change to their environment, yet, in the peer-reviewed scientific journal PLOS, the article asserts a species NOT adapting to their environment?????

Yes, our view of evolution has drastically changed.
 
hmm one might call that subtle admission that man didn't evolve but they will never come out and say that.
 
"In the last few years, two paradigms underlying human evolution have crumbled.​
No, new information has helped to enlighten those doing research into a more accurate understanding.

Modern humans have not totally replaced previous hominins without any admixture, and the expected signatures of adaptations to new environments are surprisingly lacking at the genomic level. Here we review current evidence about archaic admixture and lack of strong selective sweeps in humans. We underline the need to properly model differential admixture in various populations to correctly reconstruct past demography. We also stress the importance of taking into account the spatial dimension of human evolution, which proceeded by a series of range expansions that could have promoted both the introgression of archaic genes and background selection."
In short, we don't know everything about human evolution and there is still more to understand.​

"Until recently, the out-of-Africa model of human evolution was favoured by most genetic analyses, but this model collapsed when the sequencing of the Neanderthal genome revealed that 1%–3% of the genome of Eurasians was of Neanderthal origin. At the same time, refined analyses of modern human genomic data [1][3] have changed our view of evolutionary forces acting on our genome."
Out of Africa didn't collapse. All it did was point out that Neanderthal and humans interbreed earlier than expected. Also, this doesn't refute the Multiregional Continuity Model.

"Most methods aiming at detecting recent episodes of selection in humans have been designed under the paradigm that adaptations were mainly driven by classical positive selection"
"Several lines of evidence support the past action of positive selection, such as increased levels of population differentiation in or close to genic regions [3], [37], increased diversity with distance from coding regions [38], or lower diversity and increased population differentiation in regions of low recombination where selective sweep should be more efficient [8], [39][41].
As mentioned there is already a model that uses this information. its called the Multiregional Continuity Model.
And now the kicker (Positive selection is a mechanism of natural selection):
Its also not the only mechanism. Natural Selection is an umbrella term for any selection pressure that causes adaptation in organisms populations.

"However, this paradigm has been recently eroded as it has been realized that our genome does not show many sites that are fixed between human populations [2], [38], and that fixed differences are always between populations from different continents [3], suggesting that strong adaptive events rarely occurred in response to local adaptation."
Once again, Multiregional Continuity Model.


"As James F. Crow would have put it, in human evolution the questions have remained the same but the answers have changed. Genomics has revealed that the genome of Eurasians is partly of archaic origin, and genome-wide patterns of diversity have not revealed expected signals of adaptive selection in humans. The sequencing of additional archaic hominins should be helpful to distinguish between alternative scenarios of admixture, infer the timing and the geographic location of admixture events, and assess human migration routes over Eurasia. Archaic admixture can also seriously impact estimated human demography, which should be revisited to account for differential introgression among human populations. Scenarios of human evolution need to be geographically coherent and integrate range expansions during which deleterious mutations can readily surf and accumulate on wave fronts, giving later fuel to background selection. Whereas our view of human evolution has drastically changed over the past few years, it would be pretentious to believe we now know the true history of modern humans and that we have identified all selective forces that have shaped the diversity of our genome. However, progress in the analysis of modern and ancient genomes is likely to soon provide the data that will allow us to test complex scenarios of human evolution and contrast the role of various selective forces that are currently or were acting in our genome."
Once again, there is already a model that takes the new information into consideration.


I think they are sending a message with that opening statement. Darwin's prediction of an out-of-Africa model has been debunked, and "the expected signatures of adaptations to new environments are surprisingly lacking at the genomic level."
I doubt it, considering Darwin never stated such. Darwin did not create the Out of Africa hypothesis.
Darwin's theory says that: a species adapt or change to their environment, yet, in the peer-reviewed scientific journal PLOS, the article asserts a species NOT adapting to their environment?????
No, you are reading to much into this article and taking a study about humen ancestry to apply to all organisms. organisms do adapt and evolve to their environment. The papers were addresses wide aspects of human genetics. The out of Africa theory hypothesized that humans became isolated after leaving Africa into specific regions. The research no longer supports this research. Therefore another hypothesis that fits the current research is being used by its proponents. Its called the Multiregional Continuity Model.

Yes, our view of evolution has drastically changed.
Mine hasn't, considering I learned about this in my intro to biology class in college.
 
hmm one might call that subtle admission that man didn't evolve but they will never come out and say that.
Nah, the articles are saying that with the new evidence, scientists are now debating on whether the out of Africa Hypothesis still holds merit, or if the Multinational Continuity Model fits better. Vaccine just didn't mention the later model. The MCM is a hypothesis that humans didn't become isolated and that there was still genetic drift and sharing between regions. That is why the neanderthal DNA remnants doesn't mean much to a supporter of MCM.
 
No offense, but those are the words of scientists not mine. The out of Africa model has collapsed. Gradual evolution has collapsed. And natural selection has taken a back seat.
They seem to favor hybridization or degradation of the genome now.
The words "Two paradigms underlying human evolution HAVE crumbled" are theirs not mine.
 
Jesus has something to say about this you can find it in Hebrews..

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Doesn't speak to the theory of evolution very well does it..

tob
 
Jesus has something to say about this you can find it in Hebrews..

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Doesn't speak to the theory of evolution very well does it..

tob
Has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of evolution.
 
No offense, but those are the words of scientists not mine.
Yes, but the quotes are from larger papers and larger fields then what you chose to represent them as. I'm also commenting on how you ended the post with your interpritation of these exerts.
The out of Africa model has collapsed.
No, you posted a portion of an article where a scientist explains why specific evidnce doesn't line up with the current understanding of the said model.
Gradual evolution has collapsed.
No, you posted an article where the person mentioned that not all aspects of the human genome works with the Out of Africa Model as it stands.
And natural selection has taken a back seat.
No, that was your inference on the articles, and not said by the researchers themselves.
They seem to favor hybridization or degradation of the genome now.
No, none of the articles you stated said that. Also, I'd like to understand what you know about genetic drift and founder effects?
The words "Two paradigms underlying human evolution HAVE crumbled" are theirs not mine.
One of the articles said that, but according to what is written, and with my knowledge of other popular models, and my experience talking with researchers while taking biology coursework in college. It seems that you are being very selective of what you are showing. Especially considering you didn't mention the MCM.
 
Jesus has something to say about this you can find it in Hebrews..

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Doesn't speak to the theory of evolution very well does it..

tob
Considering that deals with the nature of God, and not with the current model of the theory of Evolution. I don't see any relevance.
 
Beings how we are made in Gods image i believe it has everything to do with it..

tob
 
No offense, but those are the words of scientists not mine. The out of Africa model has collapsed.

May 10, 2007 — Researchers have produced new DNA evidence that almost certainly confirms the theory that all modern humans have a common ancestry. The genetic survey, produced by a collaborative team led by scholars at Cambridge and Anglia Ruskin Universities, shows that Australia's aboriginal population sprang from the same tiny group of colonists, along with their New Guinean neighbours.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070509161829.htm

Gradual evolution has collapsed.

Advances in the last few decades made it so certain that even Stephen Gould, the apostle of punctuated equilibrium finally agreed that it was a fact. Would you like me to show you again?

And natural selection has taken a back seat.

As we discussed earlier, most scientists continue to agree that it's the dominant mode of speciation. Can I show you that, again?


They seem to favor hybridization or degradation of the genome now.

Show us that there's a consensus for that.

The words "Two paradigms underlying human evolution HAVE crumbled" are theirs not mine.

The problem is the quote is from a blog, and when I search the supposed link, nothing comes up.
 
Beings how we are made in Gods image i believe it has everything to do with it..

tob
That verse has nothing to do with being made in God's image.
 
tob, the image of god is for another forum. I usually don't get into creationism debates using that.the church doesn't get the image of god fully right which many will disagree. I say this because well the words for soul imply both body and spirit. but the church separates them and use greek thought to do so. jews don't. I agree with the jewish word and meanings.
 
Scripture teaches us that no man has seen God, evolution teaches us we evolved from monkeys. Our children "and even some adults" get the impression that Adam somehow looked like Tarzan's Cheetah? The bible says we were created in the image of God. When the Jews questioned Jesus about this very thing "No man has seen God" Jesus said; He that has seen me has seen the Father. Aside from the wisdom of this world, in your personal Jewish opinion, did Adam look more like Cheetah or Jesus..

tob
 
evolution teaches us we evolved from monkeys. Our children "and even some adults" get the impression that Adam somehow looked like Tarzan's Cheetah?

No, evolution does not teach that. A straw man does not an argument make.


The bible says we were created in the image of God. When the Jews questioned Jesus about this very thing "No man has seen God" Jesus said; He that has seen me has seen the Father. Aside from the wisdom of this world, in your personal Jewish opinion, did Adam look more like Cheetah or Jesus..
No Christian in this thread is denying that we are made in the image of God.

If you want to debate and argue against evolution, at least argue against what evolution actually teaches, not some caricature.
 
Going back to my school days we were taught that we evolved from a lower species, have they changed their tune?

tob
 
Going back to my school days we were taught that we evolved from a lower species, have they changed their tune?

tob
The theory of evolution is about the change in populations overtime. Common decent theory states that humans evolved from Cromagnon and homo Erectus. Old World monkies are ancestors to all great apes ( including humans) but don't resemble modern monkies.
 
The biggest obstacle that science has to overcome in the evolution discussion, is to debunk all the myths people have learned about evolutionary theory.
 
Thanks Meatball that's what i figured, as for science the biggest obstacle they have to overcome is eliminating the word blaspheme from theory..

tob
 
No theory is capable of blasphemy, since science is incapable of making any statement at all about the supernatural.
 
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