Tithing Again

[KevinK]

OK, so I get you're so supposed to calculate the ten percent on your gross pay. What if your salary is heavily augmented by an integral sales commission? Like a third of your takehome is commissioned sales bonus? Do you tithe that amount, too?

 

[Michael74]

What possible difference could that make?

 

[Douglas Summers]

OK, so I get you're so supposed to calculate the ten percent on your gross pay. What if your salary is heavily augmented by an integral sales commission? Like a third of your takehome is commissioned sales bonus? Do you tithe that amount, too?

HI KevenK, Tithing is a law. Christ Body (The Church) is not under law but under Grace. There is nothing wrong with giving 10% of your earnings if you feel that is the way you want to support the ministry, But when you tithe expecting something in return (Malachi 3:7-11) than you have put yourself under the law! The NT never speaks of tithing. It gives by the Spirit of Christ. (1 cor.9:7-18). I have seen the visible church give it's pastors new cars every couple of years and even buy them houses. I know of many pastors that make well over $100,000 a year, adding new kitchens and expensive additions instead of supporting missionaries abroad. There is a church here in Nashville,TN, that the pastor built him a million dollar home, his church building is so big that they have fireworks in it on the 4th. of July. This is called the way of Ballam (preaching for profit and material gain). The NT Scriptures say: Those who have little give little so that they do not have too little and those that have much give much so that they don't have too much. The Lord loves a cheerful giver.....not an obligated giver under guilt.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Kenny_ms]

I actually give because I feel obligated to as a Christian, just as I feel obligated to do good and not bad...not that I always am good, but you get the idea.

I don't feel obligated to tithe. Best I could gather from the last thread on the subject, it's no longer in affect unless you are a preacher that needs to use the idea as a basis for a sermon to keep those blessings flowing (to him.

 

[KevinK]

What possible difference could that make?

Will you go to hell if you don't tithe properly?

 

[Malachi]

Will you go to hell if you don't tithe properly?

Not at all. In fact, Christians have been given an entirely different teaching regarding offerings to the Lord. Study the New Testament, and the reason why Christians give and share.

 

[KevinK]

Here's how I feel. I don't know if it's correct, but this is what I'm currently working with. Everything comes from God. As a nice gesture back to the Source of all things, we give back one-tenth of what we earn, and one day out of the week we reserve for Him instead of ourselves. It's more than fair!

If you're in sales of some kind, a certain percentage of your income is directly based on your individual production. For some people (not me, thank goodness) it's 100%, so that must tithe their commission. Others (like me) have production-generated bonuses; I would assume you tithe on that amount as though it were any other type of income. Does that work?

 

[Michael74]

We used to get paid incentive based on production. It never occurred to me that there was any difference between regular base pay, and production based pay. Thus my question. I don't understand why base pay would be treated differently from production based bonus pay.

 

[Douglas Summers]

There is only one thing that sends us to the lake of fire , The rejection of God's Grace in Jesus The Christ!

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[KevinK]

OK, seems very clear now. Just wanted to be sure. Some things you just don't want to take chances with.

 

[KevinK]

There is only one thing that sends us to the lake of fire , The rejection of God's Grace in Jesus The Christ!

That's the only thing? What about not forgiving others?

 

[Douglas Summers]

KevenK, When we receive the new man....(Spirit of Christ/Holy Spirit) He never changed the old man (flesh/nature of Adam). So we do not always do what we should. (Gal.5:16-21) but we can not stay there. Read the Scripture.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[KevinK]

KevenK, When we receive the new man....(Spirit of Christ/Holy Spirit) He never changed the old man (flesh/nature of Adam). So we do not always do what we should. (Gal.5:16-21) but we can not say there. Read the Scripture.

Read it, thank you, but still not following. What it you technically accept the Lord's saving grace, but lead a double life that includes unrepentant sin, unforgivenss of others' sins towards you, failing to evangelize the Good Word, and never tithing? I can't see this person rolling into Heaven.

 

[Douglas Summers]

KevenK, Read 1 Cor.3:1-23. Every born again man in Christ have the same standing before God in Jesus Christ. From the most illustrious saint to the most ignorant,weakest ,infirm,and fallible man on earth, if he is a true believer in Jesus the Christ has precisely the same standing. Faith alone confers standing in God's sight. Nothing in the life of the believer following his salvation adds in the smallest degree to his title to God,s favor or to his perfect security. It is faith alone! Now his state is another thing, his state is not as instance as his standing (saved). We are babes in Christ until we mature by the exhortations and teaching by the Spirit and godly called teachers. some may be ashamed when they meet the Lord...even smelling like smoke....But they will be saved!

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Deborah13]

Here's how I feel. I don't know if it's correct, but this is what I'm currently working with. Everything comes from God. As a nice gesture back to the Source of all things, we give back one-tenth of what we earn, and one day out of the week we reserve for Him instead of ourselves. It's more than fair!

If you're in sales of some kind, a certain percentage of your income is directly based on your individual production. For some people (not me, thank goodness) it's 100%, so that must tithe their commission. Others (like me) have production-generated bonuses; I would assume you tithe on that amount as though it were any other type of income. Does that work?

Go pray about it and give what the Lord puts on your heart to give. If you are sincere it won't be too little. That is the NT teaching.

 

[Kenny_ms]

I'd say 10% is a good number, except the original tithes, as I understood it, were actually eaten by the tither before God so, aside from the tither having to go out of their way to the place of Gods choosing to do that, it was no real loss to the tither. Still, If one can afford it, 10% still sounds fair to me but I really have nothing to base that on...

In His Presence: You shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always (Deuteronomy 14:23).

 

[WIP]

I think we get too hung up on the 10% figure. Once we do that, it becomes an obligation that we do out of duty and not something we do out of generosity. Jesus calls us to be generous as in not letting our right hand know what our left hand is doing.

Matthew 6:3 NKJV
But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing....

 

[iLOVE]

Please read Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7, and Hebrews 8 about tithing.

 

[th1b.taylor]

OK, so I get you're so supposed to calculate the ten percent on your gross pay. What if your salary is heavily augmented by an integral sales commission? Like a third of your takehome is commissioned sales bonus? Do you tithe that amount, too?

First there is no Law to tithing. Abram set a principal that the Jew obeys to this day as it were one of the Ten Commandments.

That put aside, I have never tithed ten percent and the amount I give to the LORD's work is known by God and no one else needs to know. Likewise, I have no business knowing what percentage you give. This is a question to be settled between you and your God.

If you ever fix a percentage rate, God will know you are giving out of obligation and, as I read the whole Bible, you will lay up no treasure in Heaven. I have no earthly idea how much money God has taken from my bank account because when He wants, my wife or I give.

The only question you need to answer is do you love Jesus? That answer will either open your pocket or it will zip it shut.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Please read Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7, and Hebrews 8 about tithing.

Ilove, i didn't see any mention of the term tithe in those verses and this was something that Abraham did, not a command or even a request that we follow suit.

Or maybe I missed your point?