Tithing Again

[Kenny_ms]

Jesus Is a Priest Like Melchizedek forever (Hebrews 7 ERV). Abraham gave Melchizedek a tenth of everything he had. We are the seed of Abraham.

OK, that's what I wanted, now tell me where God ordered Abraham to give a tenth weekly and who to give it too.

 

[th1b.taylor]

This has nothing to do with works salvation. No one here so much as even mildly indicated, what they gave, how they gave it, whether they chose to pay a tenth because the other stuff sounded wishy washy/no direct answerish to them and they didn't know what else to do or if they gave a certain other amount, would have anything whatsoever to do with their salvation. Sometimes people just have questions because they want to please God...not you, not me, not themselves, just God.

I don't attend Church at all and at this moment in time, I'm thinking, I may not want to..

BTW, my electric bill is payed up, as are all my bills, and usually well before they are due.

Kenny,
That you have taken offense to a post answering question to me from KevinK might and likely will say more about what might possibly be you to others than you ever wanted to explain away. To expect you to answer why you felt the need to interject that comment in a string where a brother is seeking to grow would be hi

Christ is that seed of Abraham.

Dan,
maybe someone else has the scriptural base for it but one of the young primaries favorite numbers named Father Abraham. It is a teaching song for the little ones to learn they become sons and daughters of Abraham. Just as the Christian is grafted into the linage of the Bible believing Jew, so are all Christians the adopted or grafted in sons and daughters of Father Abraham.

 

[iLOVE]

You seem to be mixing money with God. Giving and offerings have nothing to do with money. It was first flocks and crops and stuff.

Christ gave himself as a offering. Do you think he gave his Father money as a offering?.

If i offered Jesus or the Father 100 bucks each week out the goodness of my heart they would probably throw it back in my face.

If i offer to help someone who is sick out the goodness of my heart God will open the floodgates and pour his blessings down.

A Christian tithes with their time, talent, and tresure. Faith without works is dead. Faith does not work without love. God demands to be first in your time, talent, and treasure. If God is not first, you have just identified why the things in your life are out of alignment.

 

[Kenny_ms]

I'm still not seeing where tithing is Biblical for today. I see where Abraham gave a tithe to one man, a one time only thing the best I can tell. If Abraham was ordered to tithe weekly or even yearly, that might be something to go on, or at least a starting point, but as it stands, to say what Abraham did that one time, means we should all tithe once a week is like saying Abraham was told to kill his son so, we should all do that.

And yes, faith without works is dead but that doesn't strengthen your case for tithing.

 

[WIP]

What is the Scriptural definition of tithing? We seem to be stuck on the idea that it is money related but is that the correct position to take?

 

[Malachi]

So I wanted to know what God wants me to do.

If you really want to know how God views the matter of giving of your substance to God then read, study and meditate on Mark 12:41-44 and Luke 21:1-4. And then the Lord says "Go thou and do likewise".

 

[Deborah13]

Jesus Is a Priest Like Melchizedek forever (Hebrews 7 ERV). Abraham gave Melchizedek a tenth of everything he had. We are the seed of Abraham.

7 For this aMelchisedec, king of bSalem, priest of cthe most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 aTo whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all;

All of what? Abraham did not have his personal wealth, animals herds, etc. with him when he went to fight the kings, to rescue Lot.
So when he saw Melchisedec, all he had to give from, were the spoils he had taken from the kings.

 

[Kenny_ms]

What is the Scriptural definition of tithing?

Ilove said it meant a tenth. that sounded to me reasonable enough to where I didn't look it up.

Maybe it meant giving a tenth and I only say that because stating "we are going to tithe" sounds fine, but to say "we are going to tenth" sounds weird and that's why it may mean giving a tenth and not just tenth but I'm not certain of that.

 

[iLOVE]

If Abraham had to offer a tithe to Melchizedek, and Jesus is the follower of Melchizedek, then how much more do we have a responsibility to honor the sovereignty of Christ who is the King of the world?

Leviticus 27:30 says that the tithe is "holy to the Lord." The tithe doesn't belong to us; it belongs to God. The tithe teaches that there is only one Creator and Sustainer, and it's not us.

While the tithe is mandatory, the offering is voluntary. We determine the amount of the offering, and it is from the heart. But an offering is never an offering until we have given the full tithe. We must first give what God expects, and then we can give over and above that expectation to reflect a heart of love, gratitude, and rejoicing. If we don't give to God out of obedience and gratitude, it shows that something is wrong with our hearts.

 

[th1b.taylor]

What is the Scriptural definition of tithing? We seem to be stuck on the idea that it is money related but is that the correct position to take?

Thank you WIP,
The world is truly stuck on ten percent of their income and that is not what God wants from us. The real issue of the tithe and what it is is found in chapter three of Genesis where God is found in the Garden, in the cool of the evening seeking Adam for his Fellowship.

Because I will not, intentionally add to the scripture, I cannot say that Melchisedec did or did not preach on tithing but I doubt it. I see, rather, that what was a free will offering, because of legalism, has become, in the pretenders of the Faith's mind, some perverse requirement... it ain't so says the old codger in his best Texas vernacular.

God still seeks to walk with us... all of the time, just blow the tenth out of all consideration.

 

[iLOVE]

Ilove said it meant a tenth. that sounded to me reasonable enough to where I didn't look it up.

Maybe it meant giving a tenth and I only say that because stating "we are going to tithe" sounds fine, but to say "we are going to tenth" sounds weird and that's why it may mean giving a tenth and not just tenth but I'm not certain of that.

The word tithe means one-tenth.

 

[Kenny_ms]

And then the Lord says "Go thou and do likewise"

Where is that, Malachi? I'm using KJV and don't see that following the Gal that Jesus commended for giving all she had.

 

[Kenny_ms]

The word tithe means one-tenth.

That's pretty much what I gathered...thanks

 

[th1b.taylor]

If Abraham had to offer a tithe to Melchizedek, and Jesus is the follower of Melchizedek

Whoa, I pray you posted that without thinking about it because though I have heard a couple of brash preachers teach that Mel was Christ, the Bible says no such thing. To say that He was a type of the Christ can, I believe be gotten away with but Jesus, the Son of the Most High God, follows no man! And scripture states that Mel was the King/Priest of Salem making him a man.

 

[iLOVE]

Whoa, I pray you posted that without thinking about it because though I have heard a couple of brash preachers teach that Mel was Christ, the Bible says no such thing. To say that He was a type of the Christ can, I believe be gotten away with but Jesus, the Son of the Most High God, follows no man! And scripture states that Mel was the King/Priest of Salem making him a man.

In Genesis 14:17-24, Abraham offered Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a tithe because of the victory God had given him and the blessing that God had bestowed upon him. Abraham offered a tithe to Melchizedek, who was the forerunner to Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is greater than Melchizedek (Hebrews 7).

 

[Michael74]

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Malachi 3:8 KJV

Notice that tithes is plural in the Scripture. There were 3 separate tithes. They were commanded to pay all 3 of them. Also notice that offerings (plural) were included. Several offerings were absolutely mandatory under the law. That is, several offerings were a command, just like the 3 tithes were.

Malachi was telling the people to pay all 3 of their tithes, plus all mandatory offerings.

 

[WIP]

Ilove said it meant a tenth. that sounded to me reasonable enough to where I didn't look it up.

Maybe it meant giving a tenth and I only say that because stating "we are going to tithe" sounds fine, but to say "we are going to tenth" sounds weird and that's why it may mean giving a tenth and not just tenth but I'm not certain of that.

The reason for my question is as I mentioned, we are stuck on the monetary. But Scripturally, what is a tithe? So the word means 10% but 10% of what? Money, resources, fruits of one's labors, time, self, ....?

 

[Kenny_ms]

The reason for my question is as I mentioned, we are stuck on the monetary. But Scripturally, what is a tithe? So the word means 10% but 10% of what? Money, resources, fruits of one's labors, time, self, ....?

I see... there is this from a tithing thread Ilove started:

In His Presence: You shall eat in the presence of the Lord your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always (Deuteronomy 14:23).

So, to make things even more clear as mud, that more than indicates we are to use our own tithes for ourselves.

Now what?

 

[th1b.taylor]

In Genesis 14:17-24, Abraham offered Melchizedek, the king of Salem, a tithe because of the victory God had given him and the blessing that God had bestowed upon him. Abraham offered a tithe to Melchizedek, who was the forerunner to Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is greater than Melchizedek (Hebrews 7).

I am sorry but apparently you meant what you said but saying a thing, even authoritatively does not make it true and the scripture is the same one I refered to and, honest, it does not say what you have stated, as though it were the Word of God.

 

[Michael74]

So the word means 10% but 10% of what?

'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. Leviticus 27:30 NIV

Every tithe of the herd and flock--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD. Leviticus 27:32 NIV