Topic #2: Was Satan "a liar from the beginning"?

[Deavonreye]

It might be useful to think of satan as a personification of man's predilection to twist reality in a self serving way. Man can rationalize anything.:devil

Did Satan exist before "the beginning"?

There was Lucifer, but if Lucifer was Satan, why two names? And from what I saw in a verse, the one who fell from heaven was also destroyed [regardless of those who claim that to be a "prophetical future event"].

Perhaps "Satan's work" is metaphorical/personification of man, but not completely, because people are also found to be good in nature. . . . that which "Satan" is said to be incapable of.

 

[stovebolts]

Did Satan exist before "the beginning"? .

That would depend on one's theological lens when interpreting particular verses.

There was Lucifer, but if Lucifer was Satan, why two names? And from what I saw in a verse, the one who fell from heaven was also destroyed [regardless of those who claim that to be a "prophetical future event"]..

Names had specific meanings. Think of names as discriptors of particular attributes. God has many names...

Perhaps "Satan's work" is metaphorical/personification of man, but not completely, because people are also found to be good in nature. . . . that which "Satan" is said to be incapable of.

verses please?

 

[Deavonreye]

That is just what I have heard. . . that "there is no good in him [Satan]". I assumed they got
that from scriptures.

But I still must ponder the same questions. Is there a scripture that:

1. Definitively states "Lucifer" and "Satan" as the same person, or is it just a doctrine?

2. When was Satan created? Before or after "the beginning", and what are the verses to show this?

3. Did god create Satan to be the antithesis of himself for the promotion of the ultimate plan?