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I apparently qualify as left wing. But I’m more analytical left wing than what the media seems to think the left is all about. To be fair I’ve found that my outlook is more socialist than most people my age but also I guess I have more time to read and think about things than the younger set on the so called left. So…

I agree that age and one’s generation play a role too.
 
hawkman said:
What is important for the news media is foremost ratings and then ad revenue . The truth , not so important .
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Oh I agree, same with all the commentators that add their 2 sense.

I believe there are plenty of police who just want to do what's best for their communities, and I believe there are people who are impacted by decades, if not centuries of issues. Instead of directing this we have sensationalism. Ugh.
 
Law enforcement tends to lean right wing. That’s true internationally. In some places there are considerable fascist elements within law enforcement. Not all up on the data but I think it’s less bad in the USA than in many nations.
 
Christ_empowered said:
Law enforcement tends to lean right wing. That’s true internationally. In some places there are considerable fascist elements within law enforcement. Not all up on the data but I think it’s less bad in the USA than in many nations.
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No.i know cops who are anti gun .law enforcement isn't for those who pick and choose laws .most cops will decide no based on risk versus gain

Ticket too many in small country town and that meal will interesting for him or out shopping .
 
Milk-Drops said:
I think it's more a media narrative that the "left" was rioting. The riots were due to escalations between police, protestors, and opportunists.

I see it more as younger people vs establishment rather than left vs right. I don't think police are right and people supporting that black/ any minority lives are equal to white lives etc as being left wing. It frustrates me that news stations make the devide and distract from the messages of people involved.
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With all due respect, it isn't the right that's burning businesses and police stations and tearing down statues when a black man dies in police custody.
 
Christ_empowered said:
Law enforcement tends to lean right wing. That’s true internationally. In some places there are considerable fascist elements within law enforcement. Not all up on the data but I think it’s less bad in the USA than in many nations.
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Being on the right does not equate to being fascist. In fact, if people really understood fascism they'd see that pretty much only rich businessmen and politicians and globalists are fascists. And another point to make, the right is not socialist leaning. The left is, and they don't seem to realize it. For a world of the (somewhat) unhindered free exchange of information it's amazing how ignorant society is about history, and what fascism and socialism are. I'm not an authority on all this by any stretch of the imagination but it's amazing what I've learned about all this in the last four years or so. The first step to knowledge is realizing what it is that you are ignorant of. Society at large doesn't even have that going for them! They don't even know what they don't know!
 
Jethro Bodine said:
With all due respect, it isn't the right that's burning businesses and police stations and tearing down statues when a black man dies in police custody.
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Yeah, it's also not the left either. It's protestors, activists, etc. I don't like how the news media protrays everything as a left or right thing. Just like I don't think it was a right thing when Jan 6th happened. I think it's a large group of people where emotions overcome common sense and mob mentality kicks in.

Ideology is in discussion, when fire breaks out or glass starts break8ng its just chaos.
 
There are shades.

Social safety nets became of socialist reporters

Child safety laws came from a socialist who reported it .I'm not saying that we should change it just the story of this and safety nets to show the spectrum .

I will say that these do feed things more left . Politicians need to say no .

We think because of one person's mistake we need to pass a law when sometimes our problems are caused by us.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Being on the right does not equate to being fascist. In fact, if people really understood fascism they'd see that pretty much only rich businessmen and politicians and globalists are fascists. And another point to make, the right is not socialist leaning. The left is, and they don't seem to realize it. For a world of the (somewhat) unhindered free exchange of information it's amazing how ignorant society is about history, and what fascism and socialism are. I'm not an authority on all this by any stretch of the imagination but it's amazing what I've learned about all this in the last four years or so. The first step to knowledge is realizing what it is that you are ignorant of. Society at large doesn't even have that going for them! They don't even know what they don't know!
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I think a large problem is people just get into bubbles and terms like fascist and socialist just become "people I disagree with".

I have read some of the works of Lenin, Marx, and Engels over the last year and see more what socialism really is from those schools. I have also read up on Mills, Rand, and Smith to see what they think. It's interesting at a theory pevel, but all have their down sides.

I like a lot of the Enlightenment thinkers and mix that in with more of the Libertarian socialist ideas. I find most of the Fascist, Lenin/moist, and theocratic ideas to being way too authoritarian for my tastes.
 
Milk-Drops said:
I find most of the Fascist, Lenin/moist, and theocratic ideas to being way too authoritarian for my tastes.
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I think people on both the right and left would agree with that, if they just understood what the goal of each kind of socialism is. And, certainly, secular people will find the theocracy of Jesus Christ to be way to authoritarian for them. They do not know that the sin Christ forbids is bondage, and that's why he forbids it, and that to not be in the bondage of sin is freedom. Speaking from the viewpoint of a born again person that is entirely and completely true. Sin is slavery. Not sinning is freedom. To the natural man this sounds contradictory...I mean, the natural man who has not yet sunk to the depths of despair and bondage of the slavery of sin. The despair and bondage that causes alcoholics and greedy people and lusting people to want to kill themselves. Only in Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit is there freedom from the bondage of sin. The 'authoritarian' kingdom of God is where life and liberty reside.
 
Milk-Drops said:
Yeah, it's also not the left either. It's protestors, activists, etc. I don't like how the news media protrays everything as a left or right thing. Just like I don't think it was a right thing when Jan 6th happened. I think it's a large group of people where emotions overcome common sense and mob mentality kicks in.

Ideology is in discussion, when fire breaks out or glass starts break8ng its just chaos.
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I'm good with this. Maybe it's safe to say that it's leftist protestors and activists that are more violent. But I am concerned about the approval leftists give leftist protestors and activists and extremists. Conservatives in general, especially Christians, are usually quick to condemn violence even when it's against their enemies.
 
Milk-Drops said:
Yeah, it's also not the left either. It's protestors, activists, etc. I don't like how the news media protrays everything as a left or right thing. Just like I don't think it was a right thing when Jan 6th happened. I think it's a large group of people where emotions overcome common sense and mob mentality kicks in.

Ideology is in discussion, when fire breaks out or glass starts break8ng its just chaos.
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Provocateurs during the BLM protests and Jan 6 , prolly of a paid nature . There are agendas that are being carried further along . Deep dark things are afoot , if we are not in the end times yet we can see them from here .
 
hawkman said:
Provocateurs during the BLM protests and Jan 6 , prolly of a paid nature . There are agendas that are being carried further along . Deep dark things are afoot , if we are not in the end times yet we can see them from here .
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Can't say for sure but looking at history as I do .I really don't think the world was ever not evil .we just had a bubble .

Imagine being allowed to settled in the unexplored areas of the American west and Florida and given a homestead on the conditions of you keeping the Indians at bay and also farming the land .

I took my pastor to a grave of one who did that and just found out his story of his civil war support of the confederacy .I remember reading he supported the south and recruited .but nothing about disabling a light house .

James paine founded st Lucie village in what was Brevard county and it being so big that it was for a few decades the county seat of brevard.you paid taxes there and filed claims of land and voted usually the mail man can on boat and the voting booth .

I need to post gov Gleason ,eau gallie and the rutherford b Hayes election.

A trump 2020 pre crursor but legit voter fraud comiited by the gov Gleason and how my state withdrew support for the Democrat electors and a deal made and Hayes won office and the north withdrew the troops.
 
hawkman said:
Provocateurs during the BLM protests and Jan 6 , prolly of a paid nature . There are agendas that are being carried further along . Deep dark things are afoot , if we are not in the end times yet we can see them from here .
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I think for Blm there were outside protestors that tried to high jack the movement and at January 6th there were Proud Boys and Oath Keepers who were working together to influence the crowd.

I think that is more important than L vs R discourse.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I'm good with this. Maybe it's safe to say that it's leftist protestors and activists that are more violent. But I am concerned about the approval leftists give leftist protestors and activists and extremists. Conservatives in general, especially Christians, are usually quick to condemn violence even when it's against their enemies.
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I think violence all depends on the intensity of the situation. Jan 6th influenced by the conviction of Trump supporters and the BLM riots by people upset by systemic issues.

I think the reason "left" violence was so visible was the powder keg. I know there was fear in the media about Trump supporters violence, but as we draw closer to 2024 it seems to be becoming less of a concern. I think right wing violence is more individualist or lone wolf. So it's more an issues of group vs individual issues.
 
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