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Transgenderism: Its Consequences

This is difficult. I think there's something wrong with society as a whole, because gender problems were understood to be rare until...well, now.

I hope Christians as individuals and as a group can offer Christ-like love and compassion. I can only kinda sorta relate to all this, because I used to be a flamboyantly gay homosexual. Now, I'm remarkably...gasp...normal, and my small town doesn't know what to make of the flamer (I believe the technical term is : gender non-conforming homosexual) suddenly "trying to act like a man," etc.

My very limited experiences with this makes me think that communities, and society as a whole, are creating a lot of these gender-confused people, just as "Schizophrenia" and the other so-called "mental illnesses" exist within a social framework. That doesn't make it any easier for anybody dealing with this problem, but I don't think constantly focusing on the psychological aspects of each person with gender problems is going to answer a whole lot of questions, not when this seems to be related to a society-wide problem, somehow.
 
Edward said:
You wanted to be a boy? I kind of understand that, a woman wishing she was male. My ex wife said that a couple times too. She didn't have to explain it, I know. I thank God that I was born a man. Men have it easier than women I think. As far as the species "mankind" goes, women got the short end of the stick.

God likes to be appreciated as the creator, and women are certainly one of God's finest creations. God, in His infinite wisdom, knew that it was not good for the man to be alone/ So He made a help meet for him. Wasn't that very cool of Him?! God really knew what He was doing when He fashioned a help meet for Adam! Women have such beautiful spirits. Plus, they're naturally inclined towards caring and nurturing their family. They are helpful indeed, and they smell good.

Now God doesn't make mistakes, that's a given, right? That said, wouldn't LGBT be a slap in the face of God, as if He couldn't get it right?
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We live in a broken world and are born broken in one way or another. Some children have birth defects. Did God make a mistake? Or is such just a result of the fall? I have more questions than I do answers.
 
Agree PZ... there are birth defects of many kinds..
To my thinking this trans stuff is sin... sin attacking humankind... those born with extra parts are no different then those born with out limbs etc...
 
reba said:
Agree PZ... there are birth defects of many kinds..
To my thinking this trans stuff is sin... sin attacking humankind... those born with extra parts are no different then those born with out limbs etc...
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Yes, I see it as an effect of a broken world. Some are broken this way, others that. But broken we are.
 
Several states are apparently attempting to pass legislation prohibiting transgenders from using the restrooms of their choice. I'll be praying for the legislation to pass. However, it looks like two states have failed in their attempts.

"In the 2017 legislative session, state legislators in 14 states - Alabama, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Missouri, New York, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming - have prefiled or introduced legislation that would restrict access to multiuser restrooms, locker rooms, and other sex-segregated facilities on the basis of a definition of sex or gender consistent with sex assigned at birth or “biological sex.” Legislation in 12 states is pending (as of 2/10/17). Legislation in South Dakota and Virginia failed to pass."

http://www.ncsl.org/research/education/-bathroom-bill-legislative-tracking635951130.aspx
 
Politico said:
"Feelings" do not equate to permanence of personal gender identity. The miracle working power of Christ Jesus can and often does change "feelings." There are many testimonies out there of former transgenders who have experienced positive change in Christ Jesus.
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If trans people are not meant to be trans but then why does God give them those feelings?
 
There is demonic activity related to nearly any human condition conceivable. There is a multitude of people on this planet who are struggling with thoughts and compulsions that are the direct result of demonic possession and/or oppression. I believe most of Christ's healings involved people who were possessed. Devils can and often do afflict the minds and bodies of people. Importantly, God's Word makes it clear that even children can be demonically bound. Does this relate to the issue of transgenderism and homosexuality? I am confident in saying yes. I am not claiming that every affliction or problem is spiritually based, but I believe much of it is.
 
reba said:
Agree PZ... there are birth defects of many kinds..
To my thinking this trans stuff is sin... sin attacking humankind... those born with extra parts are no different then those born with out limbs etc...
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I have never heard or read of a case of true hermaphroditism ( A person born with fully functional male and female sex organs)
 
Politico said:
I have never heard or read of a case of true hermaphroditism ( A person born with fully functional male and female sex organs)
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I don't think they need to be fully functioning to present a problem, but the stats: http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency

Couple of cases: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ld-5-born-male-approved-intersex-surgery.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/15/mark-pam-crawford-intersex-child_n_3280353.html

Politico said:
Do I not have the right to use the men's restroom without a woman-pretending-to-be-a man standing right next to me? What about a woman needing to change her clothes when she notices a man-pretending-to-be-a-woman standing next to her? Many men's restrooms have the urinals situated right beside or across a mirror. So, as a man, I am standing there trying to use the urinals when a woman-pretending-to-be-a-man walks in and is using the mirror. She is standing right behind me. So what about my right to feel comfortable when trying to relieve myself? What about my right to use the facilities without someone of the opposite sex standing right beside me or behind me?
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On the other hand, what about the right to not have this guy walk into a women's bathroom because he was born female? http://instinctmagazine.com/post/ft...wn-stinson-speaks-out-anti-trans-bathroom-law

That would definitely shock me more than seeing someone who looks a little bit androgynous! I think the best option is just to use the bathroom of the gender you more closely resemble. Of course, there's going to be a lot of grey area there, but leaving it up to the individual leads to fewer crazy situations.

Christ_empowered said:
This is difficult. I think there's something wrong with society as a whole, because gender problems were understood to be rare until...well, now.
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I'd assume that it's more that people kept this sort of thing quiet in the past. Now that there's less of a taboo, people are more open about it. And medical intervention and hormone therapy wouldn't have been an option before the modern era, so people wouldn't have really been looking for solutions.
 
gerbilwoman said:
If trans people are not meant to be trans but then why does God give them those feelings?
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Feelings are a byproduct of memory. God doesn't give people feelings, they get feelings through experiences that they have, then sit and think about what happened...and then the feelings come.
 
We have one person out of about two hundred that works where I work that is gay, not transgender but close. He's a very strange guy who has a husband. Every time I'm around him I feel sorry for him because he has been so deceived by the devil. I have had a couple of transgender friends and they were both very badly sexually abused when they were growing up. I don't really care where they go to the bathroom because I lived in Europe for a while and unisex bathrooms are much more prevalent there. What I do care about is their hurts and their deceived souls. We need to pray for them because they are humans with souls just like everyone else.
 
Silmarien said:
On the other hand, what about the right to not have this guy walk into a women's bathroom because he was born female? http://instinctmagazine.com/post/ft...wn-stinson-speaks-out-anti-trans-bathroom-law

That would definitely shock me more than seeing someone who looks a little bit androgynous! I think the best option is just to use the bathroom of the gender you more closely resemble. Of course, there's going to be a lot of grey area there, but leaving it up to the individual leads to fewer crazy situations.
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The specific tactic you have introduced, in your attempt to defend Regressive values, is nothing new. I've encountered it before.

Are you presenting extremes? Well, so can I:

http://www.columbian.com/news/2012/sep/16/transgender-woman-in-fight-to-use-restrooms/

The person of focus in my posted link was a man attempting to use the restroom of his choice in a state in which the interpretive committee of the state's anti-discrimination laws issued a directive to businesses allowing trannys to use the restrooms of their choice.

You have presented a "false dilemma ." Your link suggests a difficulty with applying biblical standards to society where no such difficulty need exist.

Your suggestion that it be left up to individual gender-confused persons to determine if they are at the extreme end is of course nothing more than wishful thinking. Do you actually believe that a gender-confused person, like the the one in my link, would self-regulate in such situations?

What, is the picture of the person in the link you provided supposed to be a biological female?

If the person in the picture in the link that you have posted is a biological female, then she has to deal with the fact that she has no moral right, according to Biblical standards, to use the restroom of her choice. She has created her own situation by going to such great lengths to alter her appearance. If she can make herself appear as a man, then she can make herself appear as a woman.

She can either 1) use a single use, unisex bathroom, 2) avoid those places that have multiuse restrooms, or 3) reverse her efforts to look like a man and make herslef appear as a woman, or she can stay home. No one has forced her to go to great lengths to look like a man.

Your purpose of course is to put the burden of this individual's action on the 99+% of the rest of America's population. How do you justify such an action even though such an action will create greater evils than it can potentially solve?

1) The person in your link (biological women who has made herself appear as a man) would rightly not choose to use the women's restroom --because of her male appearance (assuming she does not want to identify herself as a biological female).

2) She would also rightly not choose to use the men's restroom because she is a biological female.

But of course, she has other options to choose concerning the use of restrooms.

1) She can choose to patronize those facilities offering one person, unisex restrooms.

OR

2) Alter her appearance to look like a woman so that she can use the women's restroom in those facilities that offer only gender-specific restrooms.

OR

3) Stay home or choose some other action that would preclude the person from using gender-specific restrooms.

In other words, she should choose not to choose between your two, scenario-specific choices.

You are attempting, I believe, to create a no-win situation arising from your supposed necessity of choosing one of two specif choices in a specific scenario. You are apparently attempting to discredit the Christian worldview. Is that the only reason you post on this site?

What, do you actually think you are going to post on this site and succeed in somehow discrediting the Christian worldview and its defense of biblical standards? If so, then you should reconsider.

Your last breath is hunting you; it will find you, and then where will you be?

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
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