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Wrath upon this people.

Why wrath upon this people?
What abominations will the jews commit to provoke God?
Its all in the scriptures.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
Wrath upon this people.

Why wrath upon this people?
What abominations will the jews commit to provoke God?
Its all in the scriptures.
so the rest of the sinners outside the country of isreal arent judged?

they can sin all they want and not be judged.
 
veteran said:
Bob,
look at the 2nd seal of Rev.6, the red horse, a war horse (Mark 13:7). I believe that time has covered from WWI up to now, and will continue until AC arrives. The 3rd seal is a black horse about commerce and famine, which is where I think we are now, and will continue until AC arrives. The 4th seal has similarities to the first three. But the 5th seal is pretty plain, a time of persecution upon the saints, a time of the delivering up of the saints, pointing to a time when AC is here (Mark 13:9-13).

I've heard that Hitler 'blessed' people. Did he not work wonders?

As I see it, the war horse is in WWI (war to end all wars; great war). The famine can be seen in post WWI Germany (and the great depression in general), with bread going for boatloads of marks while certain people still made off handily-- and, of course, "the messiah" came to rule... intending to rule the world. But that still leaves a significant amount of time lapsed...

Some kid told me Obama was his Lord and Savior last summer. :shrug
 
Good News Bob said:
veteran said:
Bob,
look at the 2nd seal of Rev.6, the red horse, a war horse (Mark 13:7). I believe that time has covered from WWI up to now, and will continue until AC arrives. The 3rd seal is a black horse about commerce and famine, which is where I think we are now, and will continue until AC arrives. The 4th seal has similarities to the first three. But the 5th seal is pretty plain, a time of persecution upon the saints, a time of the delivering up of the saints, pointing to a time when AC is here (Mark 13:9-13).

I've heard that Hitler 'blessed' people. Did he not work wonders?

As I see it, the war horse is in WWI (war to end all wars; great war). The famine can be seen in post WWI Germany (and the great depression in general), with bread going for boatloads of marks while certain people still made off handily-- and, of course, "the messiah" came to rule... intending to rule the world. But that still leaves a significant amount of time lapsed...

Some kid told me Obama was his Lord and Savior last summer. :shrug

Hitler persecuted not just the Jews, but religious sects too, so forget the idea of 'messiah' ever applying to him.

Famines are still going on in the world, and much worse ones than ever hit the U.S. during the Great Depression, which is a joke in comparison.

Nor has anyone seen Obama try to claim himself as God like is prophesied of the false messiah our Lord Jesus warned of.

Anyone can find scapegoats that seem to fit Bible prophesy.
 
jasoncran said:
Shilohsfoal said:
Wrath upon this people.

Why wrath upon this people?
What abominations will the jews commit to provoke God?
Its all in the scriptures.
so the rest of the sinners outside the country of isreal arent judged?

they can sin all they want and not be judged.
I didnt say that .I am quoting scripture and you are mocking because you dont want to believe what Jesus said.
Jesus said wrath upon "this people".
Insted of mocking Jesus and asking stupid questions,you should find out why Jesus said this.
You should investigate the truth of the scripture to find out what it is the jews inside of Israel shall do to provoke God.You should seek to find out why it shall be more tolorable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgement than for Chorazin and Bethsaida.




Hint-Tyre and Sidon are outside of the borders of Israel and Chorazin and Bethsaida are inside of Israel.
 
dude, no you make it sound like that its only isreal that gets judge, when in fact its not. if it was only isreal then why does the word whole WORLD follow after the beast and false prophet, meaning that either isreal rules the world in the trib or the ac is a man.

bethasiada and chorasin refused the messiah at that time when he came, that why he condemned them like that
 
Shilohsfoal said:
Wrath upon this people.

Why wrath upon this people?
What abominations will the jews commit to provoke God?
Its all in the scriptures.

Luke 21:23
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
(KJV)

In Luke 23, our Lord Jesus linked the deceived in Jerusalem with this Message. It is not about being literally pregnant. It's about spiritual deception to the false messiah He warned that is coming there to place the abomination that maketh desolate for the last days.

It's about staying a spiritual virgin waiting for Christ's return, instead of bowing in worship to another and being found 'with child' spiritually when Jesus does return. It's about those who are deceived and accept antichrist/false messiah as God. Paul said he espoused us to one Husband (Jesus Christ) as "a chaste virgin" (2 Cor.11). Our Lord Jesus was pulling from Isaiah 54 about that metaphor, as Apostle Paul was also.

That's why Christ's wrath will be upon those people, because of their falling away to worship the dragon of Rev.13.

So if it's about the idea of remaining spiritually chaste for Christ, waiting for His coming, does that apply to all believers on Him in all nations, or just for those in Jerusalem? It applies to ALL Christians, in all nations.

The reason why the prophecy is centered at Jerusalem especially, is because Jerusalem is where ground zero will be for the deception, that's where false messiah is going to appear in the last days to bring the working of the "strong delusion". And in Revelation 13 through 17, we're shown his rule will be over all nations, multitudes, peoples, and tongues. It's simply that Jerusalem is going to be his headquarters, the place where our Heavenly Father said He will dwell forever. That's why Jerusalem is Satan's target for control in the last days, for Satan wants to be God, and wants for all of us to 'whoreship' him as God.
 
veteran said:
Shilohsfoal said:
Wrath upon this people.

Why wrath upon this people?
What abominations will the jews commit to provoke God?
Its all in the scriptures.

Luke 21:23
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
(KJV)

In Luke 23, our Lord Jesus linked the deceived in Jerusalem with this Message. It is not about being literally pregnant. It's about spiritual deception to the false messiah He warned that is coming there to place the abomination that maketh desolate for the last days.

It's about staying a spiritual virgin waiting for Christ's return, instead of bowing in worship to another and being found 'with child' spiritually when Jesus does return. It's about those who are deceived and accept antichrist/false messiah as God. Paul said he espoused us to one Husband (Jesus Christ) as "a chaste virgin" (2 Cor.11). Our Lord Jesus was pulling from Isaiah 54 about that metaphor, as Apostle Paul was also.

That's why Christ's wrath will be upon those people, because of their falling away to worship the dragon of Rev.13.

So if it's about the idea of remaining spiritually chaste for Christ, waiting for His coming, does that apply to all believers on Him in all nations, or just for those in Jerusalem? It applies to ALL Christians, in all nations.

The reason why the prophecy is centered at Jerusalem especially, is because Jerusalem is where ground zero will be for the deception, that's where false messiah is going to appear in the last days to bring the working of the "strong delusion". And in Revelation 13 through 17, we're shown his rule will be over all nations, multitudes, peoples, and tongues. It's simply that Jerusalem is going to be his headquarters, the place where our Heavenly Father said He will dwell forever. That's why Jerusalem is Satan's target for control in the last days, for Satan wants to be God, and wants for all of us to 'whoreship' him as God.
Im agree those people worship the beast and take his mark(the abomination that causeth desolate).But the scripture doesnt say the king of the north's headquarters shall be moved to Jerusalem.All the scriprture says shall be built in Jerusalem are the tabernacles of his palace,not his palace itself.See Daniel 11;45.
Today the tabernacles of his palace is his embassy,which just so happens to be in Tele Viv.There are plans to move the embassy to Jerusalem though.




But Im speaking now of the second beast .The first beast is already there .
 
theres only one beast, the first is revived, it isnt destroyed, the dragon heals the head.

btw if you are that concerned about isreal, perhaps protesting the embassy in miami should be done as well.

vet is it possible that the ac is used by the lord to purge the unbeliever and to draw the ones that will come to the lord to do so?
 
jasoncran said:
theres only one beast, the first is revived, it isnt destroyed, the dragon heals the head.

btw if you are that concerned about isreal, perhaps protesting the embassy in miami should be done as well.

vet is it possible that the ac is used by the lord to purge the unbeliever and to draw the ones that will come to the lord to do so?

There are two beasts in the book of Rev.
The first beast with the wound by the sword and the second beast with two horns .
It is the second beast that is Daniel's king of the north(who you call the ac).

Rev 13;11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth,and he had two horns like a lamb,and he spake as a dragon.


This is the beast that gives the mark of the beast.This is the beast that makes fire come down out of heaven.


As for the embassy.
I dont care if its moved to Jerusalem or not.Im interested in watching prophecy forfilled.
Before it is moved though ,the raiser of taxes will die.
 
veteran said:
Good News Bob said:
veteran said:
Bob,
look at the 2nd seal of Rev.6, the red horse, a war horse (Mark 13:7). I believe that time has covered from WWI up to now, and will continue until AC arrives. The 3rd seal is a black horse about commerce and famine, which is where I think we are now, and will continue until AC arrives. The 4th seal has similarities to the first three. But the 5th seal is pretty plain, a time of persecution upon the saints, a time of the delivering up of the saints, pointing to a time when AC is here (Mark 13:9-13).

I've heard that Hitler 'blessed' people. Did he not work wonders?

As I see it, the war horse is in WWI (war to end all wars; great war). The famine can be seen in post WWI Germany (and the great depression in general), with bread going for boatloads of marks while certain people still made off handily-- and, of course, "the messiah" came to rule... intending to rule the world. But that still leaves a significant amount of time lapsed...

Some kid told me Obama was his Lord and Savior last summer. :shrug

Hitler persecuted not just the Jews, but religious sects too, so forget the idea of 'messiah' ever applying to him.

Famines are still going on in the world, and much worse ones than ever hit the U.S. during the Great Depression, which is a joke in comparison.

Nor has anyone seen Obama try to claim himself as God like is prophesied of the false messiah our Lord Jesus warned of.

Anyone can find scapegoats that seem to fit Bible prophesy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plu0HpupNzQ

I dunno why you should say I should forget the idea that Hitler was called 'The Messiah'. That is what people thought. As for famines, I was insisting not on the Great Depression as in the US, but in the world- particularly with post WWI Germany. I mean, that is generally regarded as the spawning place of the Great Depression. Hitler preached peace, did he not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPrygWuE ... re=related

The savior of the fatherland?

I wasn't trying to paint Obama as some false prophet- namely, any one using Hitler rhetoric from his day forth probably should not be trusted. The quote from the kid highlights that point.

Are bankers stealing your wealth? Is the economy crashing? Are there 5 -8 million unemployed? Is the Treaty of Versailles / Deregulation[or whatever] at fault? These facts seem to be agreed upon by the national papers, but so what? (not really a question)
 
jasoncran said:
vet is it possible that the ac is used by the lord to purge the unbeliever and to draw the ones that will come to the lord to do so?

Is The LORD going to use the AC to draw more to Christ Jesus? I wouldn't put it in those words exactly, for the dragon is going to be used as a punishing rod, to do a pruning of the rebellious, which is a Biblical idea of how God uses Satan. I can't well summarize how our LORD shows that, but Isaiah 10 gives a lesson on this.

In Isaiah 14 God uses both the king of Babylon and the Assyrian as types for Lucifer. He does this also in Ezekiel 28 and 31, and also here in Isaiah 10. In other words, He applies Satan's working in whole as a shadow for how the flesh kings of Babylon and Assyria worked. That's why at the end of Isaiah 30 God uses the title of "the Assyrian" in actually applied to Satan perishing in Tophet (symbolic of the lake of fire). So in reading the following, also think of Satan as the one God is metaphorically speaking of when He mentions the Assyrian.

Isa 10:5-27
5 O Assyrian, the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine indignation.
6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of My wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.

God is Who sends him as a punishing rod upon the rebellious, even the rebellious of His people. The LORD has given him permission to take a spoil and a prey as punishment. It's not upon God's people who love Him, and who seek Him. But like God shows, Satan can't help himself in his heart, and he tends to go too far in accomplishing what God sends him to do.

8 For he saith, Are not my princes altogether kings?
9 Is not Calno as Carchemish? is not Hamath as Arpad? is not Samaria as Damascus?

God is showing how Satan is bragging.

Calno ('fortress of Anu') was a place in ancient Assyria, and Carchemish ('fortress of Chemosh') in Syria, as also Hamath ('fortress') and Arpad ('I shall be spread out') are places in Syria. Note the meanings of those names, they're an important part of God's Message here. They refer to ideas of strength in false idol worship, and it's spreading forth. Hamath is a specific pointer to a branch of Israel's enemies.

But Samaria ('watch mountain'), is about a city in northern Israel, among the dwelling of the ten tribes, and later capital city of the house of Israel after God split Israel in two and made Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim king over the ten tribes at Samaria. Jeroboam then setup two golden calf idols in false worship, one at Dan and another at Bethel. Bethel (house of God) was one of the early resting places of the Ark of The Covenant. It was where Jacob dreamt upon the stone seeing angels ascending and descending, a place of special significance for Israel. Satan is comparing Samaria with Damascus, kind of like a slap in God's face.

10 As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria;

Here Satan brags that as his hand has founded the kingdoms of idol worship, none excelled more in worship of graven images than Jerusalem and Samaria.

11 Shall I not, as I have done unto Samaria and her idols, so do to Jerusalem and her idols?
12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed His whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.

Then God replies that as the judgments He brought upon Samaria, He shall also judge Jerusalem's idols also. Note the time when The LORD "hath performed His whole work upon mount Zion and Jerusalem" is when He will also punish Satan (i.e., put as the king of Assyria here). That's a future time pointer; a prophetic pointer that reveals all this is not just about the historical kings of Assyria, nor of just Israel of history, but for all the way to the end of this world. This is how we know God is also applying this prophecy about Satan, and definitely the antichrist coming to Jerusalem in our near future.

13 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man:
14 And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.

Satan continues his boasting in the above.

15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.

This is important; God is speaking here. Can the axe boast against the one who formed it? Or can the saw magnify itself against the one using it as a tool? It would be as if the rod could shake itself against the one using it, or as if a staff of wood could stand up on its own, as if it were not wood. What's the idea?

That's an analogy of God using Satan as that axe, as that saw, as a rod, all for the purpose of punishment upon the rebellious.

16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and His Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

The above is a major endtime event. It's about the day of The LORD when Christ returns, the elements (man's works) will melt. God is going to send a time of leanness upon the haughty of His people. It's main purpose will be to burn up Satan's thorns and briers, and it will happen in one day. That's about the destruction of Satan's servants that have crept in among God's people, those who cause God's people to fall away from Him. This relates to the parable of the tares of the field our Lord Jesus foretold (Matt.13). The tares are going to burn in the lake of fire with Satan at the end.

18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth.
19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.

That's still about God's judgment upon the wicked at the end of this world.

20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

It should be very clear that the above prophecy has not happened yet. That's about the end of this world, and into God's Eternity. That's another pointer here to show this Message is not just historical about the king of Assyria.

23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O My people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and Mine anger in their destruction.

God reveals that His anger is in "their" destruction, meaning His enemies, not upon the faithful of His people who love Him. He tells us to not be afraid of Satan (the Assyrian), even though he may smite us with a rod and lift up his staff against us.

26 And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as His rod was upon the sea, so shall He lift it up after the manner of Egypt.
27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.
(KJV)

That's about the defeat of the antichrist. God compared His work upon Egypt in Moses' day to another major deliverance of His people for the last days (Jer.16:14-15).

So the idea is, God is going to use the antichrist to do pruning with, even among His own people.

This is why I take so much pains in trying to warn God's people about the coming time of deception into false worship to the false messiah, which God's enemies among His people will proclaim to the deceived as our Lord Jesus or Messiah. The LORD warns of that final event in both Old and New Testament Books. The Book of Isaiah has a section of chapters some scholars call 'The Apocalypse of Isaiah', for those chapters parallel the Revelation events about the end of this world.
 
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