U.S. Government and Morality

[JudaicChristian]

The United States is urging Uganda to stop a bill that would criminalize homosexuality, and yet when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan making it the death penalty to be found a Christian, they said nothing. Now what do you think about that? Should our tax dollars help support the Gay agenda? :crazy

 

[Tubalcain]

The U.S. in an empire; we seek to impose our will on other nations as a matter of course.

Not sure what "the gay agenda" is but if it involves not being killed by the government because of who you are it seems certainly reasonable.

 

[jasoncran]

an empire, name some terrorities that we have kept since the spanish american war and any war since? yes we have interfered, but some of that is cause we were asked to by the u.n or saw that genocide was occuring.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Here is the story: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BH52A20091218

 

[JudaicChristian]

In July of 1994, the American government rewarded the Hutu murderers with millions of dollars in foreign aid. Strangely, the American press has remained silent about the fact that almost all of those who were slaughtered were Christians. Why is our government rewarding other countries to kill Christians? That was only one example for over the past years. Years ago on the Internet Africans were begging their Christian brothers to help them. Their post were always deleted immediately.

 

[Tubalcain]

an empire, name some terrorities that we have kept since the spanish american war and any war since?

Puerto Rico; the Phillipines until 1948; the Panama Canal Zone till 1977, directly. Indirectly, our involvement in coups in Guatemala, Chile, Iran, etc.

yes we have interfered, but some of that is cause we were asked to by the u.n or saw that genocide was occuring.

And some were not.

 

[jasoncran]

an empire, name some terrorities that we have kept since the spanish american war and any war since?

Puerto Rico; the Phillipines until 1948; the Panama Canal Zone till 1977, directly. Indirectly, our involvement in coups in Guatemala, Chile, Iran, etc.

yes we have interfered, but some of that is cause we were asked to by the u.n or saw that genocide was occuring.

And some were not.

we released them puerto rico didnt want indepence from us. they dont even want statehood. are we perfect no,

the brits took the the falkland islands from argentina, and they held onto their terrorities far longer the we did, india was held longer then we have been a nation.

oh but we are bad, evil america.

korea asked us to stay, so did germany not once but twice, we wanted to pull out in the early 90's but the german goverment asked to stay not cause of russia,but because they needed the money from the bases.

we withdraw from saudi arabia as we were asked to. and we have a few thousand in kosovo and that my friend is under the nato banner. we changed hands five yrs ago, we gave back the panama canal to the panamians in 99 as signed by treaty during the carter days.

we rebuilt japan and germany and most of europe, oh but were evil,

we have been imperialistic no doubt, but we have tried to make amends, we even apologized to japan for the a-bomb! they have not even apologized to the chinese or koreans.

 

[shad]

In July of 1994, the American government rewarded the Hutu murderers with millions of dollars in foreign aid. Strangely, the American press has remained silent about the fact that almost all of those who were slaughtered were Christians. Why is our government rewarding other countries to kill Christians? That was only one example for over the past years. Years ago on the Internet Africans were begging their Christian brothers to help them. Their post were always deleted immediately.

How did you find this out? Were you in that forum?

 

[ChevyRodeo]

We need to focus on our home land issues. you think Canada cares about the middle east or africa? and because of that, the middle east does not hate Canada. no 9/11 in Canada.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

The United States is urging Uganda to stop a bill that would criminalize homosexuality, and yet when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan making it the death penalty to be found a Christian, they said nothing. Now what do you think about that? Should our tax dollars help support the Gay agenda? :crazy

Give unto ceasar what is ceasars right.

We have to remember a couple of things when these issues come up

#1) God has not called us to fix the world system, but to save sinners OUT OF THE WORLD system into HIS kingdom.

#2) God gives power to governments that they have, He sets up their leaders and pulls them down, He turns the hearts of the rulers whatever way He wills. And when a country is wicked HE judges them, and in the mean time HE uses them for the good of HIS rebellious people.

#3) Governments are going to be corrupt, tax money will always go to things that morally we are opposed to but we are to obey the law and preach the gospel, not focus on political battles.

#4) the temple in Jesus say was run by the men who yelled for him to be crucified and he gave them tribute money- and the roman government who crucified him he gave tax too. HE paid them tax money that it could be said they used to kill Him and His disciples but it was there money- not His and they were given what was theres- MONEY and HE was given what was His- US.

 

[JudaicChristian]

In July of 1994, the American government rewarded the Hutu murderers with millions of dollars in foreign aid. Strangely, the American press has remained silent about the fact that almost all of those who were slaughtered were Christians. Why is our government rewarding other countries to kill Christians? That was only one example for over the past years. Years ago on the Internet Africans were begging their Christian brothers to help them. Their post were always deleted immediately.

How did you find this out? Were you in that forum?

Yes I was in that forum. Our brothers in Christ were begging for our help while they were being killed. There message fell upon deaf ears. They were caught trying to escape the country by the U.N. and turned over to the enemy, their screams could be heard by the U.N. soldiers as they were hacked to death by machetes.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The United States is urging Uganda to stop a bill that would criminalize homosexuality, and yet when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan making it the death penalty to be found a Christian, they said nothing. Now what do you think about that? Should our tax dollars help support the Gay agenda? :crazy

Give unto ceasar what is ceasars right.

We have to remember a couple of things when these issues come up

#1) God has not called us to fix the world system, but to save sinners OUT OF THE WORLD system into HIS kingdom.

#2) God gives power to governments that they have, He sets up their leaders and pulls them down, He turns the hearts of the rulers whatever way He wills. And when a country is wicked HE judges them, and in the mean time HE uses them for the good of HIS rebellious people.

#3) Governments are going to be corrupt, tax money will always go to things that morally we are opposed to but we are to obey the law and preach the gospel, not focus on political battles.

#4) the temple in Jesus say was run by the men who yelled for him to be crucified and he gave them tribute money- and the roman government who crucified him he gave tax too. HE paid them tax money that it could be said they used to kill Him and His disciples but it was there money- not His and they were given what was theres- MONEY and HE was given what was His- US.

What do you think about the kingdom of God being set up here on earth, a Christian government run by Christians only? Also known as the reign of Christ.

 

[shad]

How did you find this out? Were you in that forum?
Yes I was in that forum. Our brothers in Christ were begging for our help while they were being killed. There message fell upon deaf ears. They were caught trying to escape the country by the U.N. and turned over to the enemy, their screams could be heard by the U.N. soldiers as they were hacked to death by machetes.

Christians should ask other believers for help but you should not expect it from any government for help, brother.

It is a shame that no other believers did not listen to them and help.

.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

What do you think about the kingdom of God being set up here on earth, a Christian government run by Christians only? Also known as the reign of Christ.

That comes not by force, or political means or Christians getting in the right postions. It comes by the kingdom coming FULLY IN US unto the end of the world, then the kingdom coming down WITH US following CHrist Jesus. That will come with the destruction of the wicked.

 

[RND]

In July of 1994, the American government rewarded the Hutu murderers with millions of dollars in foreign aid. Strangely, the American press has remained silent about the fact that almost all of those who were slaughtered were Christians. Why is our government rewarding other countries to kill Christians? That was only one example for over the past years. Years ago on the Internet Africans were begging their Christian brothers to help them. Their post were always deleted immediately.

Rev 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

 

[JudaicChristian]

In July of 1994, the American government rewarded the Hutu murderers with millions of dollars in foreign aid. Strangely, the American press has remained silent about the fact that almost all of those who were slaughtered were Christians. Why is our government rewarding other countries to kill Christians? That was only one example for over the past years. Years ago on the Internet Africans were begging their Christian brothers to help them. Their post were always deleted immediately.

Rev 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

That would be a government with two different aspects to their form of government; and that they appear to be a Christian nation. The opposite of sea which means among many nation would be a wilderness for earth. And that it became a nation after the first century. How many became a nation after the first century that are a Christian nation, with two aspect to their government?

 

[Menno]

The United States is urging Uganda to stop a bill that would criminalize homosexuality, and yet when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan making it the death penalty to be found a Christian, they said nothing. Now what do you think about that? Should our tax dollars help support the Gay agenda? :crazy

Question: Where is the link/evidence that Iraq or Afghanistan currently have a law that if one is found guilty of being a Christian they are to receive the death penalty?

 

[RND]

The United States is urging Uganda to stop a bill that would criminalize homosexuality, and yet when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan making it the death penalty to be found a Christian, they said nothing. Now what do you think about that? Should our tax dollars help support the Gay agenda? :crazy

Question: Where is the link/evidence that Iraq or Afghanistan currently have a law that if one is found guilty of being a Christian they are to receive the death penalty?

How's this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4823874.stm

Afghan on trial for Christianity

An Afghan man is being tried in a court in the capital, Kabul, for converting from Islam to Christianity.

Abdul Rahman is charged with rejecting Islam and could face the death sentence under Sharia law unless he recants.

 

[Menno]

And here is some information on the international communities response, including the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_(convert)

Abdul Rahman (Persian: ?????????) (born 1965) is an Afghan citizen who was arrested in February 2006 and threatened with the death penalty for converting to Christianity.[1] On March 26, 2006, under heavy pressure from foreign governments, the court returned his case to prosecutors, citing "investigative gaps".[2] He was released from prison to his family on the night of March 27.[3] On March 29, Abdul Rahman arrived in Italy after the Italian government offered him asylum.[4]

Abdul Rahman's arrest and trial brought international attention to an apparent contradiction in the Constitution of Afghanistan, which recognizes both a limited form of freedom of religion and the Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence, which mandates the death penalty for apostasy from Islam. The case attracted widespread international condemnation, notably from the United Kingdom and the United States, both of whom led the campaign to remove the fundamentalist Taliban regime in 2001 and are the main donors to Afghanistan.[5]

* United States: On March 22, 2006, Congressman Tom Lantos (D), wrote a letter to Hamid Karzai in which he said, "In a country where soldiers from all faiths, including Christianity, are dying in defense of your government, I find it outrageous that Mr. Rahman is being prosecuted and facing the death penalty for converting to Christianity."[48] Following Lantos's lead a number of government officials protested Abdul Rahman's arrest. Notably, President George W. Bush spoke out against Rahman's arrest, saying, "It is deeply troubling that a country we helped liberate would hold a person to account because they chose a particular religion over another".[29] White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Abdul Rahman's arrest and trial "clearly violates the universal freedoms that democracies around the world hold dear."[49]

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice appealed directly to President Hamid Karzai for a "favorable resolution", though she did not demand that the charges be dropped.[50] Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs R. Nicholas Burns asked for the trial to be conducted with "transparency" and reminded Afghanistan that "people should be free to choose their religion." [27]

The U.S. Islamic advocacy group Council on American-Islamic Relations called for Abdul Rahman's immediate release.[51]

The Seventh-day Adventist Church has urged that Abdul Rahman be released, and allowed to practice his religion freely[52].

The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) wrote in a letter addressed to U.S. President George W. Bush on March 22, 2006 that: "On several previous occasions, the Commission has raised concern that the Afghan constitution's failure to include adequate guarantees of freedom of religion and expression for members of the country's majority Muslim community could lead to unjust criminal accusations of apostasy and blasphemy. With no guarantee of the right to religious freedom for all individuals, together with a judicial system instructed to enforce Islamic principles and Islamic law, the door is open for a harsh, unfair, or even abusive interpretation of religious orthodoxy to be officially imposed…"[53]

 

[JudaicChristian]

As far as I know the laws in Afghanistan and Iraq against Christianity have not changed. Only for now are they looking the other way, perhaps waiting for us to leave.