UBI ..Paving the Way for the Mark of the Beast?

[daninthelionsden]

In European circles, an idea is being given serious consideration to implement UBI to relieve anticipated socio/economic tension arising from the automation revolution and its effects on shrinking job markets. It is predicted that more and more jobs will be filled by robotics, throwing millions of unskilled workers out to the streets. There is concern of literal violent class warfare. In order to alleviate the stress governments around the world are considering a universal basic income....no strings attached. This will be paid by the government to everyone.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Minimum wage without having to work for it? That's rich. I wonder how much will be considered enough of a wage to live on if jobs are swept from under the people's feet? Or more to the point, how long that wage will satisfy before poverty and inflating markets take it all back.

 

[Christ_empowered]

From what very little I know about this, it might be necessary. I don't know about leading to the mark of the beast, but I do think it raises questions about the future of capitalism (as we know it...).

 

[evenifigoalone]

I have to admit, that sounds tempting....being fiscally conservative I don't think it's a good idea and will do more harm than good in the long run, on the other hand I'm having a hard time finding a job at all and am beginning to wonder if I'll stay like this....I'm not in favor of this, but it's tempting....

 

[Corn Pop]

Well big companys can employ robots but in the end no one is going to purchase there products because everyone will be broke because no one will have jobs.

The companys will go bust. Who will buy there products if no one has money because no one has jobs.

 

[jasonc]

Well big companys can employ robots but in the end no one is going to purchase there products because everyone will be broke because no one will have jobs.

The companys will go bust. Who will buy there products if no one has money because no one has jobs.

Uh no.
Robots need power,they need maintainances,programmers.

 

[Corn Pop]

Uh no.
Robots need power,they need maintainances,programmers.

But robots will control the power and robots are the best programmers. Robots also do maintainance. Even if a few people have jobs its pointless.

All it does it take the world back to the stone age where its every man to himself. Look at nations where 99% of people are broke they just rob each other for food and everyone acts like animals.

Its where our nations are heading. The 50% eventually wont be able to support the other 50%. As it's a general fact the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer, it dont matter what type of system is in place it can never change. Rich and Poor. Thats all it ever has and ever will lead to.

 

[jay55]

Yet more ways to remove incentive for people to actually contribute/do anything.

 

[JohnDB]

The gubberment gets its money from working people...
If it's a question of working or not... I'll not.
But...
Then there isn't enough people to earn the taxes that pay the non-working.

The question remains then...
Why are all the communist nation becoming free market?
And why are all the free market countries trying to become communist?

 

[jasonc]

But robots will control the power and robots are the best programmers. Robots also do maintainance. Even if a few people have jobs its pointless.

All it does it take the world back to the stone age where its every man to himself. Look at nations where 99% of people are broke they just rob each other for food and everyone acts like animals.

Its where our nations are heading. The 50% eventually wont be able to support the other 50%. As it's a general fact the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer, it dont matter what type of system is in place it can never change. Rich and Poor. Thats all it ever has and ever will lead to.

Power ?most power grids and water have switching devices and a control system called scads to operate them.no person goes to all 150 lift stations to turn them on or of or the switch yard.but these are all monitored and maintained by persons.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Thinking on this UBI business, I have to wonder how will the transient living under a bridge be affected. Would UBI replace social security? disability? Is UBI in lieu of lawsuits? If UBI is universal then what happens to all the informants? All the private investigators? All the crooked cops?

 

[evenifigoalone]

One of the arguments I saw in favor of IBU was that sometimes it's not people's faults that they can't make enough money to live on. Though, in the US at least, we have measures for that. Though, I suppose the system in place has areas where it needs improvement, and IBU is one of the proposals for that. But I'm not convinced that that would pan out too well in the long run, even if it sounds nice. The government can't afford to support everyone, and we need people who are able to work and pay taxes for a lot of the programs that are in place.

Meh, here I am talking about the US when this is actually being proposed in Europe. But, one of our Presidential candidates this year, Gary Johnson, had UBI as part of his platform. He's supposed to be a libertarian, though, and libertarians are very much not in favor of government assistance, so that was unusual.

 

[jasonc]

One of the arguments I saw in favor of IBU was that sometimes it's not people's faults that they can't make enough money to live on. Though, in the US at least, we have measures for that. Though, I suppose the system in place has areas where it needs improvement, and IBU is one of the proposals for that. But I'm not convinced that that would pan out too well in the long run, even if it sounds nice. The government can't afford to support everyone, and we need people who are able to work and pay taxes for a lot of the programs that are in place.

Meh, here I am talking about the US when this is actually being proposed in Europe. But, one of our Presidential candidates this year, Gary Johnson, had UBI as part of his platform. He's supposed to be a libertarian, though, and libertarians are very much not in favor of government assistance, so that was unusual.

I think a ubi will make it worse

 

[JohnDB]

If only our government would to what WE really needed it to do...we would be much better off in the long run.
Our taxes would be lower. There would be fewer people around (the number of darwin award winners would be higher) and the number of whackos running about would be much lower.
One of my favorite straight razors has a history of being a nice small business making cutlery until the day the Nazis came and confiscated the shop to turn it into an umbrella factory. Its an important lesson to remember.

 

[th1b.taylor]

The gubberment gets its money from working people...
If it's a question of working or not... I'll not.
But...
Then there isn't enough people to earn the taxes that pay the non-working.

The question remains then...
Why are all the communist nation becoming free market?
And why are all the free market countries trying to become communist?

God blessed me early on with the love of work. I've never had a bad job and I can't imagine young men not wanting to work. In SW Texas we call that a punk.

 

[JohnDB]

God blessed me early on with the love of work. I've never had a bad job and I can't imagine young men not wanting to work. In SW Texas we call that a punk.

I have a bad habit of being a workaholic.
Even if I am not earning money...I am usually working anyway.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I have a bad habit of being a workaholic.
Even if I am not earning money...I am usually working anyway.

The absolute worst thing that ever happened to me was falling off my truck and being stuck on SSD in my mid-sixties. But with the MS making my legs so weak, suffering in the right leg and arm from Atrophy, I began to build computers for people and to recondition used computers for children from eight to eighteen, free. Working people need to work. You and I would be good next door neighbors.

 

[twinc]

how about first things first - as Jesus always seemed to reply to most questions - so how about this mark of the beast who will blow you to dust and ashes before all your wonderful dreams if allowed any further freedom - the beast/beasts are as at Jn.6:66 - twinc

 

[daninthelionsden]

how about first things first - as Jesus always seemed to reply to most questions - so how about this mark of the beast who will blow you to dust and ashes before all your wonderful dreams if allowed any further freedom - the beast/beasts are as at Jn.6:66 - twinc

I think UBI very well could be the gateway to the mark of the beast because of how pleasant such a thing appears on the surface. The mark requires a universal capturing of the world's population into a global economic system. As each country participates, segments of uncovered/non-participants will be discovered. The UN might then declare a global UBI. The destitute have no address nor bank accounts. In order to "save" them.....mark them.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno. I kinda think with income inequality growing and growing, and with so many jobs becoming obsolete (first outsourced, then automated), plus the aging of many nations' populations, UBI might be a very good idea.

Seems to me like it'd be humane and probably reduce a lot of problems associated with poverty (crime, incarceration, suicide, drug abuse, etc.). But then again...it'd come with problems too, I imagine. But think about it. I'm on disability for "mental illness" (real story: involuntary shock treatments left me incapable of supporting myself for a long time). The disability system requires all kinds of bureaucrats to prevent fraud and abuse. Same with what remains of welfare.

With UBI...I'm thinking you could get rid of the oversight people and just give the $$$ away, right? That would free up a lot of funds right off the bat. Instead of various forms of disability, then welfare....we'd just have the UBI system for a lot of people.