Undeniable Proof the end times are "NEAR"

[Elijah674]

study the early church in rome.

we american christians dont die for the lord.we have it made. so what we have to see sin abound. isnt that what paul and company dealt with too? didnt they say ok rapture me out or did they say, the lost need to know that the lord will forgive them.?

we are inconviecened but not persecuted, is persecution coming? possibly in america but not as quick as some suggest.

Hi, come visit me, & we will go visit some SDA church's & be 'orderly!' (Sabbath School only) Yet, speak the Truth & then you tell me about your post??;)

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

Just out of curiosity, would you say it has or it hasn't at this time?

{8} First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:8 (NASB)

{17} So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. {18} But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." Romans 10:17-18 (NASB)

{3} We give thanks to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, {4} since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; {5} because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel {6} which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth; Colossians 1:3-6 (NASB)

{23} if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister. Colossians 1:23 (NASB)

Tiberius, therefore, under whom the name of Christ made its entry into the world, when this doctrine was reported to him from Palestine, where it first began, communicated with the Senate, making it clear to them that he was pleased with the doctrine. But the Senate, since it had not itself proved the matter, rejected it. But Tiberius continued to hold his own opinion, and threatened death to the accusers of the Christians. Heavenly providence had wisely instilled this into his mind in order that the doctrine of the Gospel, unhindered at its beginning, might spread in all directions throughout the world.

Chapter 3. The Doctrine of Christ soon spread throughout All the World.

1. Thus, under the influence of heavenly power, and with the divine co-operation, the doctrine of the Saviour, like the rays of the sun, quickly illumined the whole world; and straightway, in accordance with the divine Scriptures, the voice of the inspired evangelists and apostles went forth through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
2. In every city and village, churches were quickly established, filled with multitudes of people like a replenished threshing-floor. And those whose minds, in consequence of errors which had descended to them from their forefathers, were fettered by the ancient disease of idolatrous superstition, were, by the power of Christ operating through the teaching and the wonderful works of his disciples, set free, as it were, from terrible masters, and found a release from the most cruel bondage.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250102.htm

{14} "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14 (NASB)

The end of what???

 

[jasoncran]

Hi, come visit me, & we will go visit some SDA church's & be 'orderly!' (Sabbath School only) Yet, speak the Truth & then you tell me about your post??;)

--Elijah

the sda doesnt do the the shabat in the first place. in order to do shabat one must start on friday at sundown in jerusalem and it ends at sundown in jerusalem on saturday.

the fourth commandment of keeping the sabaath holy has no effect on us.

find any comment in the tanach./ot and also the sages where noah, enoch, and those righteous gentiles did the shabat then come talk.

 

[Stormcrow]

The following was written to me on another site. I'm posting it here to demonstrate how utterly poisonous the doctrine of dispensationalism is, and why it needs to be defeated:

Stormy, the Church age ends when Christ returns. It will be a new dispensation when Christ sets up His throne on earth with the Saintsin glorified bodies ruling with Him. Then another dispensation when God the Father arrives at the end of the Millennium with the New Jerusalem.

This is NOT what the Bible teaches! Here is what Paul wrote about the "church age!"

{18} I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, {19} and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might {20} which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, {21} far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. {22} And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, {23} which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. Ephesians 1:18-23 (NASB)

There is no age, from the time of Christ's ascension to the right hand of the father, that He is NOT Lord over all as head of His church!!!

The church age does not end because Christ is already on the throne and will be forever!!!

 

[reba]

Dispensationalsim devalues the Cross.

Dispy teaches if the Jews had accepted Christ as their King the Cross would not be,

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The Cross of Christ is the central one happening in all of History. The plan of salvation was laid out in almost every page of the OT. What was Abel's acceptable sacrifice?

The rejection of Christ as the Messiah did not change the fact He is the Messiah.

When we look at the OT we see many clear rejection as examples.

Scofield ,who many consider a father of dispy, literally reverses scripture to fit his theories. (the wheat and the tares)

 

[Hitch]

Perf!

 

[jasoncran]

the jews , what. wow. man the more i read up on the sages, it was as if it was all a setup so that the jewish sandhedrin would reject him.

but well theres a lot too why the pharisees are what they are.

 

[reba]

the jews , what. wow. man the more i read up on the sages, it was as if it was all a setup so that the jewish sandhedrin would reject him.

but well theres a lot too why the pharisees are what they are.

Exactly Jason. Some times my words are not real clear I could/should have said something like the " Jewish leaders of the day" I couldn't spell sandhedrin

Man does not interfere with Gods plan of salvation!

 

[jasoncran]

ok let me clarify, that it was only the sanhedrin of that day. there were godly sanhedrin. king david lead one and help to write the bible in his day and taught the law.

http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day_cdo/aid/282244/jewish/Passing-of-King-David.htm

 

[MMarc]

If no one knows the Day and the hour of the Lord's return, then how will we know? When He is already back.
He gave us the seasons.

Hosea (means salvation in Hebrew) After 2 days He will revive us on the 3rd Day raise us up.

 

[Elijah674]

study the early church in rome.

we american christians dont die for the lord.we have it made. so what we have to see sin abound. isnt that what paul and company dealt with too? didnt they say ok rapture me out or did they say, the lost need to know that the lord will forgive them.?

we are inconviecened but not persecuted, is persecution coming? possibly in america but not as quick as some suggest.

Just wonder what you would say to a question from me about yourself? {--< personal, as I rarely do!
The question is, what would be important enough to cause you to be executed? And I am not talking of killing another, but spiritual persecution.

Still not to clear! Let me ask it this way.. what would USA have to do to have you say no way clearly, in face of death?

It would be interesting to hear what others would say with that question? Perhaps we might do a thread on that. Ask if any one would go for execution of another, if they had their church & Ceasar's Legal backing when if they found one not obeying their law?

--Elijah