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Undeniable Proof the end times are "NEAR"

Revelation 22:7 " 7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.â€

We do not know exactly when the lord will return no one can! "no one knows the day or the hour." but if Jesus said he was coming "soon" over 2000 years ago how much closer is he now? Never have things been this bad and I tell you we are close to the Tribulation period.

Agape
Trib
 
Revelation 22:7 " 7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.â€

We do not know exactly when the lord will return no one can! "no one knows the day or the hour." but if Jesus said he was coming "soon" over 2000 years ago how much closer is he now? Never have things been this bad and I tell you we are close to the Tribulation period.

Agape
Trib

study the early church in rome.

we american christians dont die for the lord.we have it made. so what we have to see sin abound. isnt that what paul and company dealt with too? didnt they say ok rapture me out or did they say, the lost need to know that the lord will forgive them.?

we are inconviecened but not persecuted, is persecution coming? possibly in america but not as quick as some suggest.
 
Persecution is happening right now all over the world. In some countries you can and will pay for your faith with your head or life or torture. That is a fact happening right now. in other countries Muslims have burned down dozens of Christian buildings. If this is happening all over the world but not in USA how can we claim it is because we are not in the end times? Isnt it more likely we do not experience persecution here because we do not experience widespread TRUE life changing Christianity here? Our American "churches" are filled with Apathetic (or aPATHETIC) Christianity and weak empty praise. The one who do exalt the name of God do suffer even here.
 
Persecution is happening right now all over the world. In some countries you can and will pay for your faith with your head or life or torture. That is a fact happening right now. in other countries Muslims have burned down dozens of Christian buildings. If this is happening all over the world but not in USA how can we claim it is because we are not in the end times? Isnt it more likely we do not experience persecution here because we do not experience widespread TRUE life changing Christianity here? Our American "churches" are filled with Apathetic (or aPATHETIC) Christianity and weak empty praise. The one who do exalt the name of God do suffer even here.
i know that. i have been outside america. im a veteran of afhanistan.

but i believe that werent called to be removed from suffering but to suffer and if need be die for christ. show me where paul and peter and any of the 12 prayed lord rapture me from this trial.

they didnt do that. that should say a lot. this doesnt mean that our God doesnt deliever us from these things, but rather if we live as if our lives arent our own. how die or live isnt up to us.

i have been struggling with an issue with the pullout of iraq. and asked my chaplain.. this question is war worth it. did those men die in vain in iraq.
his response is

"your are not your own"in a nut shell of course. that gave me peace even though its hard at times.
 
Im sorry I am completely confused what anything you said has to do with anything I said. I never said anything about the rapture, or anyone asking to be raptured out of tribulation. We ARE appointed to the troubles of the tribulation and believers will not escape it. BUT we are to be ready and prepared for these troubling times, they are not just another day to believe and keep living blindly. What I feel about the war is irrelevant but I do think the sudden complete pull out in Iraq was a horrible move, anything and everything accomplished over there is all but negated now, or will be soon.
 
Im sorry I am completely confused what anything you said has to do with anything I said. I never said anything about the rapture, or anyone asking to be raptured out of tribulation. We ARE appointed to the troubles of the tribulation and believers will not escape it. BUT we are to be ready and prepared for these troubling times, they are not just another day to believe and keep living blindly. What I feel about the war is irrelevant but I do think the sudden complete pull out in Iraq was a horrible move, anything and everything accomplished over there is all but negated now, or will be soon.
AH IM dealing with a post tribber.

im more closet to partial preterist but will admit no one has it right. i do still hold to the millenium.

but i dont buy into a seven year trib as they all put a time frame on when the lord returns. if it starts we then know when he will come back. that doesnt fit in with the idea of a no man knoweth the hour thing.
 
the verse reads Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." So I do know the Trib will be a total 7 years roughly and the timing of events in that 7 years (not going into details of that now thats a huge topic lol) but I do not know exactly the day or hour of his return. However, the bible also clearly states we ARE to know the season of the times and even are hypocrites if we do not. Matthew 16:2-3 "2He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" We are commanded to know the times and understand the signs or else be called hypocrites
 
the verse reads Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." So I do know the Trib will be a total 7 years roughly and the timing of events in that 7 years (not going into details of that now thats a huge topic lol) but I do not know exactly the day or hour of his return. However, the bible also clearly states we ARE to know the season of the times and even are hypocrites if we do not. Matthew 16:2-3 "2He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" We are commanded to know the times and understand the signs or else be called hypocrites
context!

the jews then were given the exact date of his visitation!

its that prophecy where you all get that seventy weeks from.God told them to the exact week when that would happen. that is what he meant.

in the gospel not one thing is said about isreals return to the land , if you are honest please try to see that.

nothing but judgment and woes are said to the nation of isreal.

when god returned isreal to the land in the days of nehemiah was it told them that they would brought back so that they could once again deny the lord again?

NO it was for the ending of the seventy year sabbath of the land and to purge them from their sins of idolatry.

so why would he then bring the jew back and then kick them out of the land of isreal and then say well here i am to deliever you?

that is what you all teach.
 
Ok with all the grammatical errors in these post, lack of any scripture to speak about, and vague generalizing statements, I have no clue what you are talking about. You honestly could be talking about the qur'an for all I can tell. Please write more clearly and provide supporting scripture, otherwise I am lost as to anything you are saying.
 
Ok with all the grammatical errors in these post, lack of any scripture to speak about, and vague generalizing statements, I have no clue what you are talking about. You honestly could be talking about the qur'an for all I can tell. Please write more clearly and provide supporting scripture, otherwise I am lost as to anything you are saying.

Are we to be here (if living!?) when Christ Physically Comes again? SURELY!:thumbsup

Matt. 10:5-6 on has it again seen in detail. He was there speaking in these verses, BUT NOTE verse 23! This is an END/TIME (FUTURE!) sumation to the parable of Matt. 25 message, to both old Israel + Laodicea.

Can one believe Inspiration?? If so, read Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 & how God DOCUMENTS a thing as TWICE STATED in Gen. 41:32 as the several verses of Eccl. exactly does.

Matt. 10
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:[6] But go [[rather to the lost sheep of the house]] of Israel.
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(and it was for them as a nation, their door of probation CLOSED except following Christ [[out!]].)

.....
[13] And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

[14] And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
[15] Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


(and this is where we are entering! 666 is just around the corner, yet Laodicea will hear NONE of verse 15!)

[16] Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
[17] But beware of men: [for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;]
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
[21] And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

(OK: Note verse 23's END TIME WARNING + ITS PRAYERFUL PROMISE! :thumbsup)

[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, [[Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come]].
[24] The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
[25] It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?:wink3

[26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

(if the 'mods' here will allow? Regardless we read the garbage in the daily News!)

[27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
....
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
[35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
[36] And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.


--Elijah
 
Ok with all the grammatical errors in these post, lack of any scripture to speak about, and vague generalizing statements, I have no clue what you are talking about. You honestly could be talking about the qur'an for all I can tell. Please write more clearly and provide supporting scripture, otherwise I am lost as to anything you are saying.


as you wish.

http://studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=lu&chapter=012

and you quote luke 12:56

Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

hmm that is adam clarke a man long since dead. he doesnt have any of the baggage that i have heard about from any of these modern dispy pushers

lindsey, van impe and the father of it.. schofield. so which is more important a correct theologian who is holy or one that says what he say and lives and or does some things a christian shouldnt do.


while this doesnt mean that clarke is right,m but it does give more creedence as holiness speaks more to me then does this modern day stuff.

yes there are holy dispy teachers and pastors. my church has one.
 
Revelation 22:7 " 7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.â€

We do not know exactly when the lord will return no one can! "no one knows the day or the hour." but if Jesus said he was coming "soon" over 2000 years ago how much closer is he now? Never have things been this bad and I tell you we are close to the Tribulation period.

Agape
Trib
If Jesus was speaking of events thousands of yours future and describing them as 'at hand' or 'soon' to take place he was a liar and false prophet.
 
Persecution is happening right now all over the world. In some countries you can and will pay for your faith with your head or life or torture. That is a fact happening right now. in other countries Muslims have burned down dozens of Christian buildings. If this is happening all over the world but not in USA how can we claim it is because we are not in the end times? Isnt it more likely we do not experience persecution here because we do not experience widespread TRUE life changing Christianity here? Our American "churches" are filled with Apathetic (or aPATHETIC) Christianity and weak empty praise. The one who do exalt the name of God do suffer even here.
When has there not been persecution of the saints, some place in our world?
 
If Jesus was speaking of events thousands of yours future and describing them as 'at hand' or 'soon' to take place he was a liar and false prophet.

The church today still misconstrues the NATURE of Christ's coming in the 1st century.

Of course He returned "soon" to those who wrote the Holy Text!

God knows how to relate TIME to man. "Soon" does not mean millenniums.

Let God be true & every man a liar!
 
The church today still misconstrues the NATURE of Christ's coming in the 1st century.

Of course He returned "soon" to those who wrote the Holy Text!

God knows how to relate TIME to man. "Soon" does not mean millenniums.

Let God be true & every man a liar!
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Revelation 22:7 " 7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.â€

We do not know exactly when the lord will return no one can! "no one knows the day or the hour." but if Jesus said he was coming "soon" over 2000 years ago how much closer is he now? Never have things been this bad and I tell you we are close to the Tribulation period.

Agape
Trib

Would you say that the gospel has to be preached to the whole world before the end comes?
 
If Jesus was speaking of events thousands of yours future and describing them as 'at hand' or 'soon' to take place he was a liar and false prophet.

Something to consider when talking about timespans...

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God views time a little differently than we do.
 
Something to consider when talking about timespans...

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God views time a little differently than we do.
WOW Then maybe Jesus is still in the grave , three days really means 3,000 years in godspeak right?:biglol

God knows all about time and communication, He is perfectly capable of telling us in ways we understand. You just dont like what He says.
 
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